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Analysis of Video (Warning: graphic description)
Self | 5/14/04 | Self

Posted on 05/14/2004 12:09:26 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants

I just forced myself to watch it again and again and have altered what I understand about the video.

There a total of FOUR places where the time skips around.

The FIRST scene time stamp begins at 13:26:24 and runs until 13:26:27.

It then skips to the SECOND scene 2:18:33 and runs to 2:18:43. The first two are statements by Berg.

It then skips to the THIRD Scene at 2:40:33 with the Islamofascist making statements until 2:44:12 when they drag him to the floor by the hair. Berg appears calm and unconcerned but alert.

Then the time stamp suddenly skips to the FOURTH scene at 13:45:47 and appears to be the same scene where the actual beheading began. At 13:45:00 Berg appears to struggle and convulse as they start to cut but this may be the terrorists jostling. The man with the knife doing the deed is wearing a BLACK hood and the man on his back is wearing a WHITE hood. This scene runs to 13:46:33 where the head is almost fully severed.

The FIFTH scene jumps to 13:47:46 where the man in the WHITE hood appears to be completing the grisly task and holds up Berg's head as a surprise.

The apparent chronological order of occurrence in scenes APPEARS to be 2nd, 3rd, FIRST, 4th, and 5th, but truthfully, the first scene may have been made the previous day.

For some reason after the third scene, they "re-enacted" the execution and for other unknown reasons, they also "re-enacted" the lifting of the severed head.

I am a country boy and have seen animals slaughtered where their carotid artery is severed seconds after they are shot in the brain. The blood squirts out in a 5 foot stream. There is no apparent heart beat during the actual beheading as no blood squirts.

He never screams, "Please!", "No!" or anything that appears to be anything other than guttural yells.


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1 posted on 05/14/2004 12:09:26 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I conclude that Nick Berg is still dead and he is in two pieces, God rest his unfortunate soul.


2 posted on 05/14/2004 12:12:53 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I've heard this explained by others as evidence of two separate cameras used, and then edited together......


3 posted on 05/14/2004 12:12:56 PM PDT by Red Badger (KERRY'S LAW: FOR EVERY ACTION THERE IS AN EQUAL & OPPOSITE RETRACTION.........)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

They blew the video of Danny's Pearl's killing, too, according to the CIA -- in much the same way.


4 posted on 05/14/2004 12:13:39 PM PDT by MoralSense
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To: Blood of Tyrants
They cut his throat first, he bleed out. Then the Pig F'ers got the idea of cutting his head off. Berg was dead for a time when they cut off his head. I hate talking about this....
5 posted on 05/14/2004 12:14:54 PM PDT by austinite
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To: dirtboy

vanity thread. get mad.


6 posted on 05/14/2004 12:16:34 PM PDT by RolandBurnam
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I could conclude that they edited out something that Berg said or did, or something that they said to him in english.

After all, the Italian's famous line (this is how an Italian dies) kind of backfired on them.

7 posted on 05/14/2004 12:16:43 PM PDT by Cobra Scott
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

"...God rest his unfortunate soul."

Amen and may those who did this to Nik Berg rot in hell.


8 posted on 05/14/2004 12:16:52 PM PDT by AngieGOP (Liberals, can't live with them. Can live without them.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

My cam just blinks 12:00:00.


9 posted on 05/14/2004 12:17:00 PM PDT by js1138 (In a minute there is time, for decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. J Forbes Kerry)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
To some callers there wasn't enough blood for that type of incident.

When a head is cut off the blood will spurt all over.

Local speculation here is he was drained of  a lot of blood. Just see how pale (spaced out? passive?) he looks. So the videotaped "beheading" wouldn't be so bloody. The Islamic scum who killed him were worried about cleaning up a bloody mess and a video that would appear too violent for world opinion. 

MHO is he had some blood sucked from him to make him weaker, more submissive to the final knife. Very evil sh*t !!!

10 posted on 05/14/2004 12:18:31 PM PDT by dennisw (Exposing John Kerry--> Swift Boat Veterans for Truth---> http://www.swiftvets.com)
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To: Red Badger

Possible. They could be too stupid to set the clocks on the video cameras. But the last guy suddenly switching from a black hood to a white one is strange.


11 posted on 05/14/2004 12:18:31 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

He did not resist because he thought he was among friends.

The killed him because his reckless behavior had aroused the attention of the FBI.

He was brought in from the cold. Turkey.


12 posted on 05/14/2004 12:19:52 PM PDT by js1138 (In a minute there is time, for decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. J Forbes Kerry)
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To: js1138

LOL! Please don't take my post #11 personally.


13 posted on 05/14/2004 12:20:00 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: RolandBurnam

Vanity? Absolutely NOT! The information I have presented is current and worthy of discussion.


14 posted on 05/14/2004 12:21:13 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The skipping about is probably due to the fact that you are watching the edited fuzzy version from porn sites.


15 posted on 05/14/2004 12:21:33 PM PDT by walwyn
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To: walwyn

Othere than a stupid comment, do you have anything constructive to add?


16 posted on 05/14/2004 12:23:21 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

From your description and my own viewing of the video, one might conclude that Nick was dead, or drugged, before they sawed his head off.

There was a quantity of blood, but it was not pumping out vigorously as one would expect if the heart were still beating, so it is likely, hopefully, that he had died before the grisly beheading.


17 posted on 05/14/2004 12:23:43 PM PDT by LOC1
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To: Blood of Tyrants; LindaSOG
>ping<

...you're not alone in your observations, Lin.

18 posted on 05/14/2004 12:24:31 PM PDT by Landru (Indulgences: 2 for a buck.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Nick Bergs father said yesterday..

"My son died for the sins of George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld. This administration did this..I am sure that he only saw the good in his captors until the last second of his life....They did not know what they were doing. They killed their best friend."

You know, I`ve watched that video over and over and blast it but I just can`t make out if anyone in the Bush administration is behind those hoods. When 911 happened and not one, but 3000 people were brutally murdered in much the same horrific way as Nick Berg, if not worse, did Nick Bergs father blame the Clinton administration for "seeing only the good" which meant basically doing nothing for 8 years, kissing the butt of the likes of Arafat and turning down Bin Laden how many times even after the first WTC attack? There`s a lesson to be learned when you try to "make good" with these animals. Sort of like trying to "make good" with sulfuric acid by drinking it.

19 posted on 05/14/2004 12:24:53 PM PDT by stillnoprotestsagainstmuslims (Still waiting for the protests against terrorism)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Nick was the turkey. He thought he was working for these guys, just like dad. He was OK until the feds started snooping around. Sooner or later he would have led the FBI to some bad guys.

This 26 year old had just too many coincidental contacts with too many people in Oklahoma City, people conneted with 911, and people connected with AQs in Iraq. He was dangerous to AQ.


20 posted on 05/14/2004 12:24:57 PM PDT by js1138 (In a minute there is time, for decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. J Forbes Kerry)
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To: LOC1

I saw the blood, too. But it, as you point out, appears to be running out of a corpse and not a living body.


21 posted on 05/14/2004 12:26:21 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: RolandBurnam
At least this poster didn't put his vanity into activism/chapters, and actually put some effort into his vanity.

Oh, and BTW, it's also against posting guidelines to drag disputes from thread to thread.

22 posted on 05/14/2004 12:26:46 PM PDT by dirtboy (John Kerry - Hillary without the fat ankles and the FBI files...)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

They needed the Dark Hood to use as a sack...........


23 posted on 05/14/2004 12:27:59 PM PDT by Red Badger (KERRY'S LAW: FOR EVERY ACTION THERE IS AN EQUAL & OPPOSITE RETRACTION.........)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

What is stupid about it? There are at least two versions, a fuzzy edited version being carried on a rape porn site, and longer clearer version on a NZ site. Which one are you describing?


24 posted on 05/14/2004 12:29:16 PM PDT by walwyn
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Source: truth-teller.com

Timestamps on Nick Berg Video, 2 cameras used

Some news outlets have raised questions about time gaps in the Nick Berg murder video, citing an 11-hour gap in the sequence. Complete hogwash. The video is in real time and is shot with 2 video cameras with their internal timestamps set differently. The final video is edited back and forth with shots from both cameras, with one 22-minute gap while the group execution scene is prepared after Berg's initial statement. At times the scene shows the second cameraman in the margins of the video as they switch back and forth.
Here is the sequence and the timestamps shown on both cameras:

Begin, camera one, 13:26:24 to 13:26:28
Berg talking, seated in a chair.

Cut to camera two, 2:18:35 to 2:18:43
Berg still talking, still in chair, viewed from another angle but no time gap. Berg's statement takes about 12 seconds.

Skip ahead 22 minutes, camera two, 2:40:30
Now we see the five terrorists standing behind Berg, who is now seated on the floor, with the center man preparing to read a written statement. This scene runs until 2:44:48, taking 4 minutes 18 seconds, and ends with the center man pulling his knife, grabbing Berg by the hair, and the other men grabbing and holding Berg down.

Cut to camera one, 13:45:47
Execution scene continued from other camera angle, no gap in action. At 13:46:30 you can plainly see the other cameraman in the right margin of the frame, and you can see him using his video camera for the remainder of this shot. This scene runs for 46 seconds as the head is sawed off, until 13:46:33.

Gap of 73 seconds, to 13:47:46
Cut to scene of killer lifting up and then holding severed head up to the camera. This scene runs until 13:47:53.

Cut back to camera two, 2:46:18 to 2:46:22
Shows the killer holding the head from another camera angle.

Cut to camera one, 13:48:34
Head is shown resting on the chest of the decapitated body, camera pans to the severed neck for a few seconds, video ends 13:48:49.

There are two short time gaps in the sequence. First there is apparently a 22-minute gap between Berg's statement and the actual execution scene. Second, there is a 73-second gap (camera one) while the killers apparently finish severing the head and get it loose to hold up. Camera two is missing 90 seconds at this point. With the obvious editing back and forth between scenes from two cameras, this gap is probably not significant. Perhaps the terrorists did not want to show the difficulty of severing the spine to get the head loose, which I suspect would be quite hard with a knife.

Total elapsed on camera one (13:26:24 to 13:48:49) 22 minutes 25 seconds.
Total elapsed on camera two (2:18:35 to 2:46:22) 27 minutes 47 seconds.

Camera one was probably not running during the reading of the terrorist statement, and perhaps camera one has a time "counter" as opposed to a "clock" meaning it shows time filmed, not real clock time. If that were the case with camera two, then it is missing 22 minutes of actual footage, not 22 minutes of real time. I think that unlikely. However, the value of the numbers on camera two seem more likely to be clock time than footage time, unless the cameraman simply forgot to reset his counter from prior sessions. Leave this to someone more knowledgeable than me on video cameras.

Forget any bizarre theories being put forth about 11 hour time gaps in this video. It was done in real time, with two cameras running near continuously, and then edited only slightly to produce the final film.

I would welcome other analysis and comments on this subject. Perhaps someone will spend more time than me looking at this gruesome thing. I've had enough of it.

Note added 2:57 PM EDT: The 11-hour fallacy is probably based on the shortened, edited video circulating. The full 5-minute-plus (5MB) video can be found at Northeast Intelligence Network. They have had to keep moving the link due to traffic, so I don't copy it here. Scroll down to the bottom of their article.

Note sent to Associated Press:
To: info@ap.org
Subject: correction

In the story widely circulated today on the murder of Nick Berg, which begins:
By: ROBERT H. REID, AP Writer
Submitted: 5/12/2004
BAGHDAD, Iraq

the author states, "The video is of poor quality, and its time stamp seems to show an 11-hour lapse between when the assailants finish their statement and push Berg down, to when they behead him. That suggests a delay between those two portions of tape posted on the Web site."

This is completely incorrect, as a viewing of the full 5 minute video will show without any doubt. There is no time gap, but two cameras being used and then edited back and forth throughout the film. The timestamps on the two cameras are set at about 11 hours apart, but are incorrect and being run simultaneously. Please view a full analysis at:
http://www.truth-teller.com/000041.html

The author evidently relied on a much condensed version of the full video that has been circulating, and may give this wrong impression.

Thank you. Posted by truthteller at May 12, 2004 12:42 PM | TrackBack

25 posted on 05/14/2004 12:30:55 PM PDT by adaven (Islam = Submission. Socialism = Submission.)
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To: dirtboy

Then why did you respond?


26 posted on 05/14/2004 12:32:57 PM PDT by RolandBurnam
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The first thing I thought of when viewing the video was that there was no blood. Does anyone recall the Sabre's goalie, Clint Malarchuk, who had his throat cut by a skate almost 15 years ago? More specifically, his internal carotid artery was severed. The video of that, which was replayed recently on ESPN, showed a tremendous amount of blood "splilling" from his throat - I was amazed at the force and amount of blood that was lost in a matter of seconds. Nick Berg's death is certainly a tragedy and by no means am I trying to minimalize it by discussing the inconsistencies, but the lack of blood is certainly interesting.


27 posted on 05/14/2004 12:37:16 PM PDT by DollarBill
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To: RolandBurnam
Then why did you respond?

Well, you're obviously obliviously obtuse to the posting guidelines, so once again I had to impart them to you.

28 posted on 05/14/2004 12:38:10 PM PDT by dirtboy (John Kerry - Hillary without the fat ankles and the FBI files...)
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To: js1138

I can believe it. He was wandering around Iraq with electronic equipment and probably electronics repair equipment when he was picked up. When he revealed that he had been questioned by Iraqi police and the FBI had been snooping around, Al Queda decide that he had become a liability and decided to make his execution dual purpose.

During the third scene I doubt that he is drugged as he sits up on his own throughout the tedious propaganda speech and shifts around several time to try to relieve some physical discomfort he is experiencing. His head is erect and he appears alert. I don't think he was expecting what came next.

IMHO, the actual murder was botched as they zoomed in too much and were out of focus so they decided to do it again, this time with a beheading.


29 posted on 05/14/2004 12:38:23 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: walwyn

I guess I have the fuzzy edited version. I didn't know there was another. Do you have the link?


30 posted on 05/14/2004 12:40:01 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"What do Freepers conclude from this?"

This Freeper concludes that the islamic scum suckers need to get their a$$ licker Michael Moore to do the camera work, with funding, by their partner in crime, Ted Kennedy.

As Congress has nothing to do but p-ss and moan about GWB, send them over to help out Moore by being butt boys and girls.

31 posted on 05/14/2004 12:40:11 PM PDT by G.Mason (A President is best judged by the enemies he makes when he has really hit his stride…Max Lerner)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
That makes most sense to me.

I wonder if Nick were under surveillance when he was released, and the intel is being put to very good use?

32 posted on 05/14/2004 12:43:48 PM PDT by Cobra Scott
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I conclude that the Islamoscum also use military time.


33 posted on 05/14/2004 12:47:04 PM PDT by Blzbba
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To: DollarBill
Nick Berg's death is certainly a tragedy and by no means am I trying to minimalize it by discussing the inconsistencies, but the lack of blood is certainly interesting.

I didn't think you were, and didn't mean to imply that I did.

It's just that it's pretty hard to be sure of the exact chain-of-evidence of any file you download off the Internet.

There is no way of telling how many intermediate owners that file had, and how many edits they may have made, for whatever purpose.

My guess is that the Islamofascists themselves decided the original raw video was too bloody for their purposes, which was merely to recruit more Islamofascist crazies.

They may have dimly realized, in the fashion of primitive animals, that one or two Americans might get really riled up when they saw all the blood, so they cut and restaged some of it to sanitize it a bit, just as you say.

34 posted on 05/14/2004 12:48:01 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: Red Badger

bttt


35 posted on 05/14/2004 12:49:27 PM PDT by jslade (People who are easily offended, OFFEND ME!)
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To: thchronic

I see that you are correct. I neglected to view the last few seconds of the video and my copy is corrupted and won't show the head on the chest. It is clear that there are two cameras.

But that still doesn't explain the lack of blood.


36 posted on 05/14/2004 12:52:47 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Couple things I noticed while watching the tape. There are a couple of thick army type blankets spread out on the floor....I think they placed them there to soak up the blood. I also noticed Berg was on his stomach as the killing took place so he would have bleed out the front.....yet in the close up after it was done ...I noted blood on Bergs back.


37 posted on 05/14/2004 12:53:36 PM PDT by Dog (In Memory of Pat Tillman ---- ---- ---- American Hero.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I conclude that Nick Berg is still dead and he is in two pieces, God rest his unfortunate soul.

Thank you for your bottom line analysis of what's really important. Unfortunately, the press, aided by conspiracy theorists, isn't going to rest until they know which hood Secretary Rumsfeld is wearing in the video.

38 posted on 05/14/2004 12:53:48 PM PDT by lonevoice (Some things have to be believed to be seen)
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To: jslade

bttt?

Non compes mentes, por favor
Que es?
No Capiche........


39 posted on 05/14/2004 12:55:17 PM PDT by Red Badger (KERRY'S LAW: FOR EVERY ACTION THERE IS AN EQUAL & OPPOSITE RETRACTION.........)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Its not something I'd bookmark but an earlier poster in this thread has given you a starting page.


40 posted on 05/14/2004 12:56:12 PM PDT by walwyn
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To: Blood of Tyrants
This is an important post. There are many questions I have about the video myself. Thank you for taking the time to break this down in such a manner.

Bottom line: an important posting - period.
41 posted on 05/14/2004 1:00:48 PM PDT by Codeflier (Implement Loser Pays)
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To: js1138

how could he think he was among friends with them standing over him about to kill him?

What kind of stupid idea is that?


42 posted on 05/14/2004 1:01:19 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Like maybe editing some faux pas, like dropping the knife, shouting something Un-Islamic, or something along those lines?


43 posted on 05/14/2004 1:01:56 PM PDT by Cobra Scott
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To: LOC1

Then who the hell screamed?


44 posted on 05/14/2004 1:02:04 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: stillnoprotestsagainstmuslims

"but I just can`t make out if anyone in the Bush administration is behind those hoods."


Agreed. Nor did I see Dan Rather, Sam Donaldson, or any other liberal-media idiots doing the cutting.

Instead, I saw the only REAL people to blame - Muslime.


45 posted on 05/14/2004 1:03:09 PM PDT by Blzbba
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To: rwfromkansas
What exactly did he scream? I thought I heard something like "Why"...."My throat"... or something else in English. Very vague though.

I want to believe that Berg was not completely aware of what the next few minutes were going to hold.

46 posted on 05/14/2004 1:03:47 PM PDT by Cobra Scott
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To: walwyn

NZ site?


47 posted on 05/14/2004 1:03:59 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: dirtboy

so you break the rules to lecture me about breaking the rules? hypocrite.


48 posted on 05/14/2004 1:07:12 PM PDT by RolandBurnam
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Why was he provided an orange US?) suit, and then had it removed?
He was not too sharp and failed to realize HE was in a trap by those whom his father admires.


49 posted on 05/14/2004 1:07:19 PM PDT by Diogenesis (We do what we are meant to do)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Well I watched the russian being beheaded and i tell ya that one was horrid with blood flowing onto the ground...I wont watch the Berg video but if there is no gushing blood its my guess He was either dead or drugged..I hope he was dead already...God rest his soul and god punish his father and the evil islamist if this boy was a sacrafice in the name of the peace movement.


50 posted on 05/14/2004 1:07:25 PM PDT by DAPFE8900
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