Talking Points for Freepers Re: Swift Boat Veterans for Truth - www.SwiftVets.com

Free Republic.com ^ | August 11, 2004 | The Shrew

[The Shrew]

We know that the Dems are planning to continue to politically attack the president. They are using their 527's to spend in excess of $400 million dollars to attack the President. They are also vigorously attacking the SwiftVets using Legal Terrorism

This is the Big Time, Freepers. This is the time when WE must step up and support. This is not yet the march in the streets we did in Florida and outside of Dick Cheney's house in 2000. This is a battle where the mainstream media are taking their marching orders directly from the DNC. They are going to crush this story; they are attacking the SwiftVets and their supporters.

Death threats, intimidation, email viruses and Denial-of-Service attacks against the Vets and their site are just the tip of the iceberg. It is going to get worse. Remember the Clinton Slime Machine? Therrrrrrre back!

Here is a summary of the attacks from James Hirsen ofThe Left Coast Reports

1. New Attack on Swift Boat Veterans

Top dog Democrats such as DNC ringleader Terry McAuliffe and Sen. Tom Harkin have publicly embraced Michael Moore's factually challenged waste of celluloid.

John Kerry recently used Moore-generated scenes to smear the president.

But curiously, when more than 200 decorated veterans created a one-minute TV spot expressing their views on the Dem candidate's war record, McAuliffe, DNC and buds squealed for the White House to declare war on these "partisan liars."

Sources indicate that a character assassination campaign is planned against Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, timed for the release of the book "Unfit for Command."

A preliminary counterattack has already begun. It is taking the form of an e-mail campaign titled "Swift Boat Vets are Dishonest, Dishonorable, Unpatriotic Liars," and comes from a group that calls itself the "Patriotic Veterans for Truth."

David Brock's Web site asks, "Who is Jerome Corsi, co-author of Swift Boat Vets attack book?" as it slimes Corsi with cherry-picked quotes that are taken out of context.

The Left Coast Report says, once again, the libs' slogan appears to be, 'Don't let the facts get in the way of attacks.'

Here is a thread focusing on Talking Points. I like Bob J's effort and want to link it to reemphasize that this Freeper Effort is about what we say and write to the media - not what the SwiftVets say and write to the media. Theirs is First Hand experience. They talk with a different legal level of authority than we - or Lanny Davis - speaks. Our mission here is to develop Freeper Answers for Letters to the Editor and talking points for Radio Talk Shows and other call in shows.

If you do nothing else, write or say "I support the Swift Boat Veterans. They have paid for their right to speak out on their experience in Vietnam with their service and their blood. They have every much a right to speak about their experience in Vietnam and with John Kerry as Senator Kerry does."

It is important to not overstate your case. I urge every Freeper to read the websites SwiftVets.com and WinterSoldier.com It is vitally important that we KNOW and understand the facts of this case. If you don't know - don't pretend that you know. Just state: "I support the Swift Boat Vets at SwiftVets.com" That is much better than stating something that is false or not current and then having your incorrect fact detract from your support.

What is all the fuss about? John O'Neill and Dr. Jerome Corsi have written a book titled: "Unfit for Command". Unfit for Command

This book details John Kerry's contemporaries in Vietnam and their experiences that relate to Kerry and his four and a half month service in Vietnam. It is a well researched personal testimony.

Consider these talking points:

1. The Swift Boat Veteran's have earned the right to tell their story.

2. John Kerry featured these same veteran's in his campaign literature even after 11 of them asked him to stop.

3. These men served close enough to John Kerry when he was using their photo for the last year in his campaign to describe his "Band of Brothers". Why is it now they were too far away to notice what he did?

4. John O'Neill - the primary author of "Unfit for Command" is giving any proceeds of royalties for his share of the book to Navy Relief.

5. These boats served in close proximity to one another - perhaps 5 - 25 yards. The enlisted men berthed, ate, slept and worked in close proximity. The officers worked, berthed, ate and slept in the same quarters. They knew John Kerry as well as anyone. It is his conduct out of the boats as well as his combat conduct that these men testify to. How he took his orders, how he carried out his orders, how he dealt with his peers and then how he commanded the men who served on his boat. These are all valid questions to ask a candidate for the office of Commander in Chief.

6. One member of the Swift Boat Veteran's served on Kerry's boat - Steve Gardner. "My name is Steve Gardner. I served in 1966 and 1967 on my first tour of duty in Vietnam on Swift boats, and I did my second tour in '68 and '69, involved with John Kerry in the last 2 1/2 months of my tour. The John Kerry that I know is not the John Kerry that everybody else is portraying. I served alongside him and behind him, five feet away from him in a gun tub, and watched as he made indecisive moves with our boat, put our boats in jeopardy, put our crews in jeopardy... if a man like that can't handle that 6-man crew boat, how can you expect him to be our Commander-in-Chief?" --Steven Gardner

7. How can a "seared" memory be a mistaken recollection? It's not. It's a lie. It was a lie in 1986, it was a lie in 1992. It's a lie today. Both the intial searing and the current recollection. Ergo - John Kerry is a liar.Kerry "Corrects Record," "Seared" Memory of Christmas in Cambodia Now "Mistaken Recollection" (Thanks to Egon)

8.Main anti-swift tactic now seems to be Corsi comments. Response? "Jesse Jackson called New York 'hymietown'. Does that invalidate the civil rights movement?" by Truecons. Sadly, a Freeper is the one who released this info to the other side. Let's hope this is the end of this. (Not Truecons.) Dr. Corsi is a Harvard trained historian. His qualifications are impeccable and this is a further example of the left attacking the messenger.

I'm not pretending to be an expert - if you have other suggestions, threads, links, etc. please post them here. We have lots and lots of "Guests" these days - demonstrate for them Internet Grassroots activism at its best!

[ez]

If Cambodia was a lie, what about the ATROCITIES?

[ez]

New tagline...

[The Shrew]

Sorry my mistake!

Thanks for clearing that up!

TS

[Lijahsbubbe]

Its a brave new world now.

Isn't it though? It's like this, you or I find out about it on FR, and we tell two friends, and they tell two friends, and so on and so on...

So foolish DNC, Keep pouring all of your money down the lamestream media hole, they are dinosaurs! Bwahahahahhahaha! Nobody watches them! Bwahahahahaha! (sinister laugh)

[The Shrew]

If Cambodia was a lie, what about the ATROCITIES?

I love it. That is why the SwiftVets have come forward, IMHO. It is not that they are political types. It is that they were slimed by this man who now wants to be the CIC. That ain't gonna' fly!

Regards,

TS

[bayourod]

I just copied it off the FEC report. It's public info.

[Grampa Dave]

Thanks for posting this.

Before any of us share words or techniques or ?, we need to donate to the Swift Boat Vet fund so they can buy more tv time.

Any Freeper, who does not donate to this fund, well, I really can't say what I would like to say.

For those who understand stewardship and the need to support the good things in life:


To Donate to Swift Boat Vets:


Here is the link to donate with a credit card:

https://coral.he.net/~swiftvet/swift/ccdonation.php?op=donate&site=SwiftVets

For Snail mail:

Contributions can also be sent to:
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth
c/o Weymouth Symmes, Treasurer
PO Box 26184
Alexandria, VA 22313

When contributing by check, please include your occupation and employer.

Checks should be made payable to "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth".

Donations from 1000's of Freepers and from our friends and family members are the strongest encouragement we can give them. That will defuse the lunatic lefts mantras about rich friends of GW are supporting the Swift Boat Veterans.

[The Shrew]

I know where you got it. It is public info. If you want it up I would suggest posting a Link to it. Then the info that you want is out there, but without it residing on FR and being used to say, "Those Freepers post home addresses of those they disagree with." It's a context thing.

IMHO! Let's ask the Admin Moderator!

Regards,

TS

[The Shrew]

Donations from 1000's of Freepers and from our friends and family members are the strongest encouragement we can give them. That will defuse the lunatic lefts mantras about rich friends of GW are supporting the Swift Boat Veterans.

This is a great point. Thanks for posting the link!

TS

[Grampa Dave]

For the best and scariest data on Christmas in Scambodia, please go to the link below.

Kerry wrote a movie review of

Kerry's own words show that he was a liar then and still is. Also, he had some real problems with reality then and now.


John Kerry wrote his Review for "Apocalypse Now" on Oct 14, 1979 in the Boston Herald.

Here is the article in JPG format.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1188739/posts?page=89

[Grampa Dave]

People please ping this thread out to your ping list.

Lets help The Shrew to help the Swiftboat Vets.

[The Shrew]

"On more than one occasion, I like Martin Sheen in "Apocalypse Now," took my patrol boat into Cambodia. In fact I remember spending Christmas Eve of 1968 five miles across the Cambodian border being shot at by our South Vietnamese allies who were drunk and celebrating Christmas. The absurdity of almost being killed by our own allies in a country in which President Nixon claimed there were no American troops was very real."

Do you have a jpeg or gif of this?

Is this an accurate quote?

Regards,

TS

[Syncro]

LOL I saw his reply, phewww....LOL

But for old time's sake, I just have to say...

ASH ALERT! ASH ALERT! ASH ALERT!

37396403 posted on 08/11/2004 11:07:52 PM PDT by Don Morgan [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

[The Shrew]

That's what I was thinking!

;-)

I've been here waaaaaay tooo long!

G'night!

TS

[Grampa Dave]

A freeper, S.O.L. has a copy of the Boston Herald where/when John Kerry wrote his Review for "Apocalypse Now" on Oct 14, 1979 in the Boston Herald.





S.O.L. scanned it and sent it to Meekonegop. Meek then posted it on Free Republic in the format on reply #86 on thread 1188739.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1188739/posts?page=86#86

[Richard Axtell]

I watched Lanie Davis on Bucannan's show on MSNBC, and he and whoever coached him on the facts hasn't done their homework. He is not aware of the fact that Steve Gardner WAS on Kerry's boat. Davis does not know the timeline or the circumstances of each of the medal incidents, and could be destroyed by someone who has the facts down. Davis will probably read this, as you can imagine that the Demorats are monitoring anything having to do with the SBVFT.

Regardless, I can see no way Kerry can get out of this one. I think the following points are irrefutable and will force realization of just what Kerry is, a liar and a fraud.

1.) Ask "Why shouldn't Kerry's military career receive the same level of scrutiny that Bush's endured? The Democrats and the Press pressured and cajoled Bush, lying about his being AWOL, denegrating his National Guard experience. And and even after ALL of their lies have been disproven, and all of Bush's military records had been released, they continue with fraudulent inuendos. Kerry can either answer the charges truthfully, without ad hominem attacks on real veterans by his paid liars like Davis, or he is a craven liar.

2.) I saw an article that exposed one of Kerry's "Band of Brothers" as falsely listed as one of Kerry's crewmembers. Who knows the skinny behind this?

3.) I get the impression that Rassman went along with this whole affair, since Kerry did fish him out of the river, and , hey, what could it hurt? Now he finds that he has to back up a lie, that Kerry was under fire during the rescue. I'll bet he would rather not be on the spot like this. So, does anyone know if he and the others are getting paid, and how much, so that Kerry can continue his charade?

4.) No discussion of this issue should get more than a sentence before you state that Kerry could easily "clear all this up, once and for all! Sign the ONE EIGHT OH! Release the records, and put all doubt to rest. If he refuses, he is the lying craven traitor we all know him to be.

[L.N. Smithee]

Additional talking point: Kerry could clear all this up by releasing his military and medical records, which he has never done.

Click here for Form 180 .pdf -- Maybe someone could make a big mockup of the form for Kerry to sign at his campaign appearances.

[The Shrew]

S.O.L. scanned it and sent it to Meekonegop. Meek then posted it on Free Republic in the format on reply #86 on thread 1188739.

You guys are such studs!

Regards,

TS

[The Shrew]

You make some great points!

Regards,

TS

[Nita Nupress]

Death threats, intimidation, email viruses and Denial-of-Service attacks against the Vets and their site are just the tip of the iceberg. It is going to get worse. Remember the Clinton Slime Machine? Therrrrrrre back!

Vets, keep careful notes. I'm looking forward to reading a follow-up book that details all the intimidation tactics being used against you as you try to exercise your right to free speech.