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Live Thread: Ben Barnes and CBS Attempt Another Bush Smear (60 Minutes)
www.freerepublic.com | September 8, 2004

Posted on 09/08/2004 4:39:18 PM PDT by Howlin

Have at him!


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To: Shqipo

Thank God that's over... burp.


101 posted on 09/08/2004 5:18:21 PM PDT by marway (Dubya '04)
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To: Howlin

Didn't 60 Minutes used to be on Sunday nights?


102 posted on 09/08/2004 5:18:26 PM PDT by RWR8189 (Its Morning in America Again!)
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To: tapatio

Well, what IS this about.....it's over????

FGS, that's the biggest nothing I've ever seen.

But Dan was SO serious!


103 posted on 09/08/2004 5:18:33 PM PDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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How many times did that guy just say "power"? LOL


104 posted on 09/08/2004 5:18:36 PM PDT by hugorand
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To: mass55th

you mis-heard. he said "I'd like to tell you that I lost sleep, but the truth is I didn't..."


105 posted on 09/08/2004 5:18:49 PM PDT by Flashlight
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To: Howlin

Kerry was busy committing treason while Bush was in the Guard. How's that for a 5 star resume? X44? Nope.


106 posted on 09/08/2004 5:18:56 PM PDT by Waco
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To: Howlin
WE NEED TO SEE THOSE MEMOS AGAIN!

They are not in the style that we used when I came in to the USAF. They looked like the style and format we started using about 12 years ago (1992). Our signature blocks were left justified, now they are rigth of center...like the ones they just showed.

Can we get a copy of those memos?

107 posted on 09/08/2004 5:19:00 PM PDT by TankerKC (R.I.P. Spc Trevor A. Win'E American Hero)
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To: RWR8189

This is 60 Minutes II. And a total waste of airwaves, if I do say so.


108 posted on 09/08/2004 5:19:11 PM PDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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To: MagnumRancid
The only truth in this whole smear was Ben Barnes saying, "He's sorry."

Gad! Is he ever a sorry Piece Of Shinola!
109 posted on 09/08/2004 5:19:33 PM PDT by sonofatpatcher2 (Texas, Love & a .45-- What more could you want, campers? };^)
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To: Petronski

CBS ratings are so low that few people will be watching this Rather pathetic "investigative report." I'm one of them.


110 posted on 09/08/2004 5:19:37 PM PDT by Carolinamom
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To: cyncooper

Larry Korb is a leftist pimp, with no credibility in this house. None. He's made his bed, now he can lie in it.


111 posted on 09/08/2004 5:19:42 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: Howlin

This is a crock!

Don't we have many brave soldiers in Iraq right now that are in the National Guard?

What a disservice to these outstanding people.

When will 60 minutes cover Kerry's UN American activities?


112 posted on 09/08/2004 5:19:42 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: cyncooper

Larry Korb is a leftist pimp, with no credibility in this house. None. He's made his bed, now he can lie in it.


113 posted on 09/08/2004 5:19:47 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: DoughtyOne

B-i-L's father pulled strings and had him stationed in Germany. It went on all over the states and at all levels.


114 posted on 09/08/2004 5:19:50 PM PDT by dixie sass (Texas - South Carolina on Steroids)
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To: Howlin

Ah, shows how much I know about See-BS.


115 posted on 09/08/2004 5:19:58 PM PDT by RWR8189 (Its Morning in America Again!)
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To: mass55th

"I got an email from the Swifties asking me to match my last donation. I'm retired, but opened up my billfold, and after the moths came flying out, reached in and took out one of my credit cards and dashed off another donation to them. It's all in the memory of my brother Bill, who served with Co. C, 4th Btn, 23rd Infantry (Mech.), 25th Infantry Division, Vietnam 1966-67. I'm fighting this bastard for him."

Good show! That touched my heart. Thanks.


116 posted on 09/08/2004 5:20:18 PM PDT by need_a_screen_name
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To: Howlin

Well THAT was much ado about nothing, wasn't it? LOL


117 posted on 09/08/2004 5:20:42 PM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Comrade Hillary - 6/28/04)
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To: Howlin
About time to remind the world of Goldberg's book Bias
118 posted on 09/08/2004 5:20:42 PM PDT by theriotcat
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To: cyncooper

"Essentially, Bush gamed the system to avoid serving his country the way that most of his contemporaries had to."
Larry Korb, former assistant Secretary of Defense


119 posted on 09/08/2004 5:20:51 PM PDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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To: marway

I'll just have to assume that Rather offered the correct disclosure and stated at the end that Ben Barnes is a huge contributer to the Kerry campaign.


120 posted on 09/08/2004 5:21:03 PM PDT by Shqipo (The gloves are on and the corners are empty.)
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To: Howlin; All

This even exceeded my expectations. Rather is Biased beyond anything I've ever seen.

It's hysterical. The number 1 book in the Country never got any attention. Rather only mentioned it to discredit it.

This is really something else.

Rather is my least favorite person on the planet.


121 posted on 09/08/2004 5:21:08 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: Howlin

'Kerry had quite a few people; how did HE get into the Naval Reserve? How did he get out early????'

I think Kerry got the bum's rush from the other officers who didn't want him around anymore and helped him jack up his medals to get out of there- I think Kerry is hiding a mental case thing, and the Swifties are black-mailing him into apologizing to the Nation, instead of revealing it.


122 posted on 09/08/2004 5:21:09 PM PDT by bitt ("I'm Mad as Zell, and I'm Not Going to Take It Anymore." (CongressmanBillybob))
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To: TankerKC

They looked ODD, didn't they?

Here is their web site, but I don't see it:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/06/politics/main641481.shtml


123 posted on 09/08/2004 5:22:00 PM PDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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To: Howlin

If, and I mean if, these memos are genuine, then this is a very big deal.

Interesting--CBS didn't emphasize the Barnes interview--but focused on the found documents.

This is a paper trail that might have legs.


124 posted on 09/08/2004 5:22:13 PM PDT by pacocat
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To: TankerKC

The documents CBS used are FRAUDS!!!!!!!!


125 posted on 09/08/2004 5:22:34 PM PDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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To: Howlin

Ben Barnes is a crook. Read Texas history. Enough said.


126 posted on 09/08/2004 5:22:50 PM PDT by texaslil
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To: pacocat
If, and I mean if, these memos are genuine, then this is a very big deal.

How's that?

127 posted on 09/08/2004 5:23:09 PM PDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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To: cyncooper

I was shocked to hear Evan Thomas explain to Imus that the time Kerry enlisted was two full years before GWB served and by then the nation was sick with the war and everyone was trying their utmost to get out of serving. He's convinced that had Kerry waited two years, he would have tried his utmost to get a deferment.


128 posted on 09/08/2004 5:23:17 PM PDT by StarFan
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To: Howlin

Details........please. Site for legal forms of documents?


129 posted on 09/08/2004 5:23:50 PM PDT by Carolinamom
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To: Howlin
The sponsors for that segment were:

Kia
Zelnorn
Sprint
UPS Store
Campbells Soup

I think I'll start with Campbells and see what they think of this.

130 posted on 09/08/2004 5:24:06 PM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: Howlin
Every damned "witness" is now dead. I want to see an analysis of those new papers. They are all type written so it should be possible to see if it was written on a Government Issue typewriter of that era. This stinks like week old fish.
131 posted on 09/08/2004 5:24:06 PM PDT by Texasforever (Kerry's new slogan "IT'S NOT THE STUPID CANDIDATE SO STOP SAYING THAT")
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To: nutmeg

Did you hear anything new? I sure didn't.


132 posted on 09/08/2004 5:24:08 PM PDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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To: cyncooper

Bartlett was generally ineffective. His demeanor isn't very good. Fidgety and he isn't that good at communicating. Odd that he is the Dir. of communications.


133 posted on 09/08/2004 5:24:14 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: SmellsLikeOwen
"Email ONLY! Watching only improves their ratings"

Unless that transmitter in your head is still working....I doubt that they will know if you are watching. But then again....maybe it is working.

Aren't you also worried about Predator...picking up your e-mails?

134 posted on 09/08/2004 5:24:17 PM PDT by Osage Orange (NO....!! I'm madder than ZELL...and I'm NOT going to take it anymore..!!!)
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To: Howlin
The guard unit Bush was in was not that popular with people avoiding the draft. First pilots had to to through over a years active duty. Then there were far more comittments than for an army guard unit.

When Bush joined that unit it had many unfilled opeinngs.

In Regular guard units one could spend 6 months on active duty and then spend 5.5 years of once a month weekend drills.

For Bush's unit one spent nearly as much time on active duty as a draftee and then still had to do the week end drills for years.

If one was avoiding the draft there were far better choices then the one taken by president bush.

I had a similar circumstance in 1964. I left ohio for a short term job in Iowa. Like Bush I did not leave my home state Guard. I was just ordered to train with the Iowa guarnd unit. The problem for me was the Iowa Guard did not want to spend the money to train an OHio guardsman.

I attended NO drills in Iowa.. The Iowa guard did not want to train me for no money.

The media makes me very angry. They promote the spin even when to anyone who knows the facts , the spin is nothing but a bunch of lies.

135 posted on 09/08/2004 5:24:30 PM PDT by Common Tator
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To: Howlin

Is it over? I went out to pick some tomatoes during the commercial break, and I come back to some story about hormones? Dan shot his wad.......SPITBALLS!


136 posted on 09/08/2004 5:24:35 PM PDT by A Citizen Reporter
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To: Waco

BARNES IS A BIG KERRY FUNDRAISER.

DID DAN BLATHER TELL HIS AUDIENCE THAT?

IF NOT, HE IS A FU*KING JOKE OF A JOURNALIST.


137 posted on 09/08/2004 5:24:37 PM PDT by tomahawk
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To: Howlin

http://www.gop.com/RNCResearch/Read.aspx?ID=4625

Who is Ben Barnes

138 posted on 09/08/2004 5:24:57 PM PDT by AZamericonnie (I will defend to your death my right to my opinion!)
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To: Howlin

No I didn't hear anything new at all. But I didn't really get a good look at those documents Dan Blather presented (was distracted as usual).


139 posted on 09/08/2004 5:25:19 PM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Comrade Hillary - 6/28/04)
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To: Howlin

Well that was a big bunch of nothing.The only thing that came from 60 minutes is that Dan Rather is a shameless mouthpiece for Kerry!If they really had something big,don't you think they would have spent the whole show on it?


140 posted on 09/08/2004 5:25:22 PM PDT by tapatio (Society is always taken by surprise at any new example of common sense.)
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To: SmellsLikeOwen
Watching only improves their ratings

Not unless you're a Nielsen family.

141 posted on 09/08/2004 5:25:22 PM PDT by mcg1969
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To: Carolinamom

I think the Republicans should lock and load now.


142 posted on 09/08/2004 5:25:25 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: COEXERJ145
This will have zero impact my friend. People will realize how the Democrats are so desperate to keep going with the same crap again and again and again.

People will judge President Bush on his record as the Commander In Chief in the last four years and his record is very good.

143 posted on 09/08/2004 5:25:33 PM PDT by jveritas
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To: jackbill

Our house joins your house.


144 posted on 09/08/2004 5:25:35 PM PDT by cyncooper (We're mad as Zell and we're not going to take it anymore!)
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To: nutmeg
those documents Dan Blather presented...

What were they supposed to be?

145 posted on 09/08/2004 5:26:29 PM PDT by noexcuses
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To: Howlin

http://theedge.bostonherald.com/tvNews/view.bg?articleid=43213


"Hotline: Busted! FCC to levy $550G fine for Jackson's flash
By Sandra Kent from Herald staff and wire reports
Wednesday, September 8, 2004

The Federal Communications Commission is preparing to levy a $550,000 fine against CBS-owned stations for Janet Jackson's Super Bowl ``wardrobe malfunction.''

The nation's broadcast watchdog will announce the fine in the next week or two, according to several news reports. All five commissioners are expected to approve the fine, although some on the panel believe the penalty isn't harsh enough. Jackson's brief breast flash, which came at the end of the Super Bowl halftime show, spurred both houses of Congress to consider giving the FCC greater power to penalize broadcasters. The House has passed a bill increasing maximum fines, and the Senate is working on a similar measure.


:"Hey CBS - SCR$W YOU!"


146 posted on 09/08/2004 5:26:29 PM PDT by bitt ("I'm Mad as Zell, and I'm Not Going to Take It Anymore." (CongressmanBillybob))
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To: tapatio

oops!


147 posted on 09/08/2004 5:26:45 PM PDT by tapatio (Society is always taken by surprise at any new example of common sense.)
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To: Howlin

Barnes is a fraud. Greg Knap on KLIF pointed that out today...he also interviewed Will Campenni who flew with Bush.

I am doing a write up of that and will post soon.

AS FAR AS BARNES....

Earlier today...Hannity said that Barnes swore under oath in 1999 that he did not help Bush get into the Guard.

ALSO...It seems that in the past...Barnes has claimed that he helped Bush get into the Guard when he was LT Gov.

The radio made the point that Bush went into the Guard in 68......Barnes was not Lt. Gov until 1969.
(digging up confirmation on that)

The liberal college prof that they showed...has actually done work with the DNC and is friends with Hill Clinton.

I thought it desperate that 60 minutes would say...they had an expert look at the supposed documents to see if a guy really wrote them. THEY WERE TYPED DOCUMENTS.

They guys who they said had the documents...has come out in the past and admitted they were not real. He is dead not...so Rather thought...why not try it again.


148 posted on 09/08/2004 5:27:11 PM PDT by ArmyBratproud
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To: Howlin

What documents are you referring to?


149 posted on 09/08/2004 5:27:55 PM PDT by mystery-ak (This President, This Time......Ron Silveraaohey hae)
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To: need_a_screen_name

I got a request also; will be giving them some more money later this evening.


150 posted on 09/08/2004 5:28:08 PM PDT by Laverne
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