THE "New" CBS BUSH DOCUMENTS: Let's do some investigating

www.freerepublic.com | September 9, 2004

[Howlin]

These are the NEW documents "discovered" by CBS with conjunction with their Ben Barnes expose/confessional tonight regarding George Bush's National Guard service.

They've gotten some interesting comments on the Live Thread, so I thought I'd give them their own thread so you people out there with the knowledge can dissect them for their accuracy/truth/existence.

[demlosers]

Good catch.

[teletech]

Good point. Those documents are absolutely forgeries based on the fonts alone.

The flight exams were and are called "Medicals", too... those forged documents used the incorrect term "physical examination."

Right you are! Even in civilian aviation they are called "medicals". Every private pilot carrys evidence of a current "medical".

[Howlin]

There must be more so where are they?

Well, they must not have fit CBS' agenda.

And why would Bush be the ONLY one he kept memos on; who else did he do that to?

[cohokie]

If you try and mapquest this, there are no streets in Houston currently with a Longmonth street name. There is a Longmont street though ...

[Capricam]

He also didn't sign the ""CYA"" memo legibly if at all. How the hell could it cover his ass if nobody knew who wrote the damned thing? This is just more leftist lies and bullshit like the 'boos' crap from AP. Typical liberal desperation.

[Howlin]

Wasn't there somebody on the other threads who said that the signature was in the wrong place?

I'll have to go look.

[AGreatPer]

"The Dems are desperate "

Rush said it early on. "This is gonna be fun". Just sit back and relax and enjoy.

[CyberAnt]

Hmmmm? In the early 70's, I used to have a piece of equipment at work made by IBM. It was a huge electronic typewriter looking machine, with a magnetic card reader which used magnetic cards to store information. It also used a removable ball of different type styles. I was producing technical literature with this system, and there were fonts for everything.

[Dolphy]

There are NO distribution lists on any of these memos.

Please be patient with these questions since I have no personal experience to reference.

What should have been the final destination of these documents? Should they have become part of Bush's file? And why the hard-nosed attitude? Hadn't Bush been completing his hours at a better than average pace (I really don't understand what the requirements were but since I read he accumulated enough points to have served 15 years I'm assuming his hours were better than average), and scoring well on tests?

[intolerancewillNOTbetolerated]

"I'd like to see just one lamestream reporter ask one of these Dems why they are making such a big deal about this Bush national guard thing when they gave Clinton a completely free pass. I mean, assuming the worst, that favors were bandied about re admission to the guard, how is that worse than avoided any military service at all? Assuming the word "worse" is even applicable as that war was so badly fought that plenty of young men were doing everything to get out of it. The Dems are desperate and frankly are beginning to get annoying. Yet the media plays along. Dan Rather should be ashamed.

The difference, as you well know, is the focus of their feeding frenzy is a Republican, and Clinton and sKerry are of the correct political persuassion.

I coundn't agree with you more about this being disgraceful behavior that should be beneath any supposedly legitimate, seasoned journalist, but the truth is the MSM is pulling out all the stops to pull the wool over the eyes of the electorate and get the Progressive Caste System they so covet installed.

[Sola Veritas]

"In 1972 people used typewriters for this sort of thing, and typewriters used monospaced fonts."

I hope you are right about this and these are forgeries. However, I am looking at my own military records from that same time frame 1972-1976 that were done with a typewriter. I cannot see an obvious font problem. My documents from then look the same. Back then, I was a military clerk, and the most predominate typewriter was an IBM Selectrix using a ball with the characters on it. These documents look real to me and consistent with my own
from that time.

The copies of copies look is allfully suspicious though. Also, it was common practice to use preprinted letterhead then - these are not? Did Dan Bather explain where these documents were found?

They probably are forgeries, but I don't know that the font arguement will hold up.

[fat city]

They could do different font sizes (within the limits of the ball size-- which was uniform for all fonts. However on rethinking that old system, I believe the Composer could do proprtional word spacing (for clean margins) but that would be for formal printing only due to the complex coding (at least compared to typing) and no one would use it for "memos" or private notes. We used it for important documents going into print.

[Howlin]

Nicely centered too!.

Do you mean on the page?

Because if you do, that is the FIRST thing I noticed when I looked up from the computer to the screen when they started talking about them.

At first glance, they look JUST like any business letter you'd ever see.

[NYCVirago]

Nicely centered too!....The proportional fonts is a red flag for me, but not for the "journalists" at CBS. Journalism at the major networks is SO embarassing, I rather tell people that I play piano in a whorehouse than admit to being part of "Network News".

You bring up a good point about the centering. And back in the day of typewriters, documents would be riddled with typos and correction marks. Yet there's not even an extra space between words, or any xxxxx over a wrong word, or obvious use of an eraser or correction fluid. Very odd.

[ImphClinton]

Another thing the title on the top would have been preprinted. This does not appear to be preprinted. Since it is in a larger font it would have been impossible to type with any typewriter available at the time.

This is a definite forgery. No wonder these records didn't show up when Bush asked for all his records.

Heads should roll on this one and no reporter's informant confidentiality should be allowed.

[dila813]

5000 Longmont Dr. .... Try MSN Maps ... I even looked at nearby businesses.

A liquor store, real estate office, and a business to track dead beat dads.

[NYCVirago]

That has been my point all night. You do not write these kinds of documents to yourself since they show the author to be derelict in his follow up. There are NO distribution lists on any of these memos.

Exactly. And if these were personal memos, which they appear to be, why would his family hang on to memos from 35 years ago, when he's been dead for 20 years? It just doesn't add up.

[Terp]

In the very early 70's, the military's state-of-the-art word processing was done on IBM MTST Composers. They used a monospaced font printing format but used the same "font balls" (about the size of ping-pong balls and had changeable font types) as the IBM selectric typewriters.

A Reserve Unit would be the last to get state of the art anything.

[Howlin]

They are called typeballs:

But back then, we did NOT call them fonts!

[cohokie]

Did you niotice the post office box was 34567 .... come on that has to be made up ...