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Gonzales backs assault weapons ban
The Seattle Post-Intelligencer ^ | January 18, 2005 | JESSE J. HOLLAND

Posted on 01/18/2005 12:33:16 PM PST by snowsislander

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To: MileHi
No, it sunset. Big difference. It required the Congress to do NOTHING, something they excel at. A repeal would have required fortitude and purposeful action, in other words it would never have happened.

Winning is really losing in MileHiLand, I take it?

61 posted on 01/18/2005 1:26:20 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: sinkspur

Now who's sounding paranoid?


62 posted on 01/18/2005 1:26:31 PM PST by jonestown ( A fanatic is a person who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." ~ Winston Churchill)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Not for lack of demagogueing. Just google assault ban and you'll get plenty of it.


63 posted on 01/18/2005 1:27:05 PM PST by Huck (I only type LOL when I'm really LOL.)
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To: snowsislander

This is going to be a bad mistake having this guy in the AG office. What a weenie.


64 posted on 01/18/2005 1:28:19 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: Huck
Not for lack of demagogueing. Just google assault ban and you'll get plenty of it.

My definition of demagoguery is when it works.

It didn't work.

A loser is someone who prefers losing with dignity to winning.

65 posted on 01/18/2005 1:29:08 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

"An attitude like that will get you a real gun grabber come next election."

LOL! That will make Gonzales (and a number of other phonies) happy.


66 posted on 01/18/2005 1:29:30 PM PST by Stew Padasso ("That boy is nuttier than a squirrel turd.")
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To: snowsislander

If Gonzales sells us out and pushes to reauthorize the AW ban, then I will not support anything he does. F him.


67 posted on 01/18/2005 1:29:59 PM PST by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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To: Stew Padasso
LOL! That will make Gonzales (and a number of other phonies) happy.

You're one of those people who would rather lose with your mouth running than win with your mouth shut, aren't you?

68 posted on 01/18/2005 1:30:43 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: Sender
If Gonzales sells us out and pushes to reauthorize the AW ban, then I will not support anything he does. F him.

There are three branches of government.

The legislative branch passes laws.

Gonzales is not in the legislative branch.

Are you able to follow that logic?

69 posted on 01/18/2005 1:34:03 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Winning is really losing in MileHiLand, I take it?

Where did I say that? But you you were mistaken, the AWB did not go away because of any courageous consevatives standing on principal. I went away because conservatives, who were the minority, had the foresight at least slip in an escape hatch.

Yes the result was nice, even nicer when congress has simply do do nothing. But if that is your stradegy for future issues, well good luck.

70 posted on 01/18/2005 1:35:02 PM PST by MileHi
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To: sinkspur

Tom can't do didily if Bush uses an Executive Order to enact a new AWB.


71 posted on 01/18/2005 1:35:27 PM PST by looscnnn ("Your so wise, like a minature Buddha covered in hair" Ron Burgundy)
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To: MileHi
stradegy = strategy
72 posted on 01/18/2005 1:37:04 PM PST by MileHi
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To: Final Authority

I don't think Bush is very conservative except by comparison to someone like Kerry. No one should be
surprized by Gonzales - he's been long known to be a
liberal on most social issues. Transportation Secretary
Norman Minetta is so PC he would make alot of liberals
blush - he's even afraid to "profile" airline passengers
for Arab terrorists. The prescription drug benefit is the
largest entitlement since LBJ. The No Child Left Behind
Act was written by Ted Kennedy and is the largest boondoggle since Carter established the Ed. Dept. in
1976. The agriculture bill that he signed is 40% pork.
The fact is that Bush hasn't vetoed a single bill and
hasn't seen a spending package he doesn't like. I'm
not worried about the assault weapons bill because, as
another poster pointed out, it will NEVER pass in congress-
at least they got the message! On protecting the borders,
Bush is offering amnesty and exposing us to illegals and
potential terrorists as well as any member of al Qaeda
could wish.


73 posted on 01/18/2005 1:38:39 PM PST by T.L.Sink (stopew)
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To: snowsislander
" Even if it is not sincere..."

Do you have any evidence that suggests that it is not sincere?

And some people thought Ashcroft was bad.

And remember this -- Bush supports him. What do you think Bush supports?

74 posted on 01/18/2005 1:39:25 PM PST by Badray (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown. RIP harpseal.)
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To: Huck

and the majority of congress won't touch this one with a ten foot gun prod. they learn their lessons slowly but they eventually get it.


75 posted on 01/18/2005 1:39:38 PM PST by Vaquero
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To: MileHi
Where did I say that? But you you were mistaken, the AWB did not go away because of any courageous consevatives standing on principal.

You are obviously one of those people who prefers losing with your mouth running than winning with your mouth shut.

76 posted on 01/18/2005 1:40:47 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: Lazamataz

Between Asscroft -- who was good on guns but virtually nothing else...



You referring to John "Reasonable Restrictions" Ashcroft?


77 posted on 01/18/2005 1:41:53 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: jmc813
"This guy is turning out to be a statist bum."

Correction:

This guy is revealing himself to be a statist bum like his boss .

78 posted on 01/18/2005 1:42:18 PM PST by Badray (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown. RIP harpseal.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
You are obviously one of those people who prefers losing with your mouth running than winning with your mouth shut.

Broken friggin record. You were still wrong, I pointed it out. Deal with it.

79 posted on 01/18/2005 1:43:37 PM PST by MileHi
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To: sinkspur
There is no stomach for gun control legislation in Congress, nobody's even talking about gun control legislation, yet you continue to bait with one statement that Gonzales made in a throw-away line.

To me, that's the point.

We are winning the debate -- the last thing we need to do with a majority in both houses and holding the executive is to give an inch to the losers in the debate.

This is where our opposition has always excelled: as soon as they took one inch, they sought a foot. We have been conditioned that we are always on the defense: well, it is time to change that dynamic, when you are on a winning roll as we are, the last thing to do is to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by conceding any items such as "Well, we support gun control if you guys send us some." It's an unnecessary tactic in this case, in my opinion.

I don't see how conceding this point will aid us in any way. There is no outcry anywhere for more gun control -- even the remnants of HCI are dying away for lack of support. They have given up trying to have marches, because they cannot find enough bodies to keep from embarrassing themselves.

Now is the time for us to speak as strongly as ever, and there is no storm that Mr. Gonzales has to shelter himself from. Giving any ammunition to the foes of liberty in this case is just plain unnecessary. We just recently had a good report from the Department of Justice about how wrong gun control is -- why should the incoming head contradict the very work from his new department?

80 posted on 01/18/2005 1:44:05 PM PST by snowsislander
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