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Posted on 03/11/2005 11:17:54 PM PST by CurlyBill
By Emily Quirk
RAYMOND - Tim Louis never believed in ghosts before he bought the old Bean Tavern on Fremont Road more than 20 years ago. Now he says hes a believer. In 1982, after his father-in-law died, Louis and his wife, Peg, were searching for his father-in-laws will. Louis had just come home from work the day after Christmas with The Boston Globe and placed the newspaper on the kitchen table. He went upstairs looking for Peg and she was frantically looking for her fathers will, which Louis said must have been filed away in a safe place.
"Peg was tearing the house apart looking for the will and she went down the stairs to look downstairs. I was only 10 seconds behind her. When we walked into the kitchen the will was sitting on top of the newspaper," Louis said. "It was an eerie feeling. No one else was in the house but someone put them there."
Louis story is an example of the many "true ghost stories" in Raymond residents Kathleen Chamberlain and Barbara Edgar may be researching. Chamberlain and Edgar are looking for stories of Raymonds most haunted places for a Channel 22 documentary set to air sometime around Halloween. They will be accepting local stories of paranormal activity until March 31.
Chamberlain said they hope to investigate and host interviews between April and June. Sometime this summer they also want to host an overnight investigation of one of the haunted locations with the paranormal investigation agency True Ghost.
"We are hoping to get stories from local citizens," Edgar said. "Weve had a few people call and e-mail. Its very interesting. Being in Raymond for 18 years weve heard rumors of paranormal activity and are hoping people will talk openly about it."
Chamberlain said some residents are hesitant to talk about their ghost sightings because they dont want to scare or make the ghost hostile while others dont want their home to be labeled as a "haunted house." She added that theyd like stories to be on the record but some could remain anonymous.
Although they havent started interviews yet, Chamberlain said theyve talked with librarians at the Dudley-Tucker Library about strange happenings. Years ago before a new addition was put on the library, staff would hear noises in the evening when no one was in the library, such as numerous books falling off the shelves.
Another ghostly rumor is the presence of former fire chief Philip A. Fox, who served between 1934 and 1941 and 1948 to 1969, at the old fire station on Epping Street. Fire Chief Kevin Pratt said firefighters use to joke around saying the strange noises theyd hear at the station was Fox.
"Strange things would happen," Pratt said. "The doors would open by themselves and when the dispatcher was alone at night hed hear footsteps upstairs, where Chief Fox had an apartment."
When the fire station was moved to Scribner Road in 1990, the disturbances stopped. Pratt said Fox was the towns longest-serving fire chief and was "forced out" owing to his old age. He may have stuck around the station a lot longer than the town intended, Pratt added.
Louis believes there is a presence at his home. The old Bean Tavern, now a residential home, was built in 1750 as a tavern and was the towns first meeting place. Citizens used to discuss town issues, vote and drink, he added.
In 1989 the Bean Tavern was voted the Seacoasts most haunted house by radio station WERZ. At the time Louis heard about his home being a finalist for the contest on the radio as he was driving home from work. "I almost drove off the road," he said.
His wife, Peg Louis, had written a letter to the radio station about strange events occurring at the home. The Bean Tavern ended up winning the haunted house contest and the morning crew from WERZ spent a Halloween night at their home.
The night before crews set up the wires and the feed was working perfectly. When they went to broadcast the next morning, the feed wasnt working. Louis said the broadcast was done via telephone. By 9 a.m. the feed started to work again when a picture on the living room wall fell off.
"The wire wasnt broken, nothing. It looked as though someone took it off the wall," he said. "It was bizarre. I never believed in this stuff but now I tell ya, I am a true believer."
"Everyone has a story," Chamberlain said. "Weve never done this before. We have no experience with documentaries or ghosts. It started on a dare and a dream. We want to have fun and tell a true story."
If you have a true ghost story or have experienced paranormal activity in your home contact Chamberlain and Edgar at firstname.lastname@example.org or visit www.1truestory.org. You may also mail your story to P.O. Box 458, Raymond, NH 03077.
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It's too bad I don't live anywhere near there. I could make up some far better ghost stories that would chill the livers out of all the TV watchers. I wouldn't need proof, and could be promoting tourism to my site for the extremely gullible.
Ever notice how ghosts appear at tourist attractions and other places where people spend money? or never places like Wienerschnitzel or K-Mart?
I have a friend who claims he is haunted every Halloween by his ex-wife as she flys over on a broom. Does that one count?
thanks for the ping
Morning and good to see you Bill.Been missing the threads I have had more off time with computer than On time since Jan 1..plus some travel thrown in... and currently I am now the one "off" with a sever URI. See a few naysayers have already shown up. Funny how yu don't believer UNTIL you believe, if that makes sense.
And don't forget, the gullible willingly pay above market prices for stuff that supports their fantasies -- and the extremely gullible pay well above market. Sound like a business plan.
Thanks for the ping, Curly....keep 'em coming!
Ever notice how ghosts appear at tourist attractions and other places where people spend money? or never places like Wienerschnitzel or K-Mart?
Never had any tourists at our hangar at Nellis.
ping for later...rto
If you don't agree with these people, then don't waste valuable time and bandwidth by going into these threads.
It's not rocket science.
And, yes, I consider posts like yours to be insulting and abusive, regardless of whether it is direct or indirect. That's why I pinged the mod.
For the record, I believe in ghosts because I lived in a haunted house. For six years.
And I challenge you guys to come to the Myrtles Plantation in St. Francisville, LA for a weekend. Let's see how well you'd fare.
Thanks curly, I always enjoy these thread! Keep em' coming!
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" -Carl Sagan
You really need to get a grip. I didn't insult anyone. My post was not insulting either. Calm down and try to be civil.
In fact, the only one who has broken any rule seems to be Houmatt who called us all "Jackasses".
Now that's not very nice at all.
I have disagreed with many a FReeper, but have refrained from name-calling. The argumentum ad-hominem is not a way to convince people of your righteousness.
Did you friend mention, by any chance, how many bottles of pumpkin wine he'd consumed before he saw the apparition? :-)
Gee, couldn't we just sit down and make up crap like this too?
I think the apparitions started after the first $250,000 in lawyer bills.
You not only make two posts in response, but also send me a Freepmail.
As I am so fond of saying, build a bridge and get over it.
I stand by my original post, and it applies to anyone and everyone who wishes to mock those who believe in ghosts.
Kinda like the irrefutable fact that UFOs are only spottable from rural trailer parks.
Is a private home that a family lives in fall under your description of a WalMart?
Every family member can tell of doors being opened and dishes in the kitchen being placed or moved on the kitchen counter or in the sink.
They have never reported this for public consumption and as yet, have yet to make a dime from this female ghost who happens to be the wifes mother.
Ghosts...dead people. Haunting us from the other side or limbo or whatever. This is a pretty incredible assertion. Where does the burden of proof fall?
Evidence. I want something that can be measured, repeated, quantified, held up to peer review to the world. What is the most likely explanation? Ghosts or the human mind?
We are still figuring out how the human brain works. Look at what hypnotism can do with the human mind. It is pretty complex thing we are just scratching the surface.
A human also makes a poor scientific apparatus for recording such things. We all have propensitys to give explanations to things we dont fully understand with what our minds have been taught by society. Ever talk to two people that saw the same event? Both are usually different.
Lots of little experiments with that in school Im sure we all have done them.
People believe all kinds of things. Doesnt make it fact. My brother thinks hes been to Mars through out of body experience. Hes my brother, never know we were related in this regard. I dont argue with him anymore, let him believe what makes him happy. He wants to believe it so bad it becomes real.
I will never change a "believers" mind to consider another explanation. However I am open to any and all evidence, and I mean real evidence that has stood the test of scientific process and peer review. This is usually rejected by believers. Always some kind of reason why it cant meet scientific criteria. This is a big red flag to me on anything.
Its like the UFO phenomena, something is seen that has no immediate explanation and a terrible logic flaw is made. Jumping to conclusions that its "aliens".
Whoah, its just something in the sky that is unidentified. You cant jump to conclusions like that.
Seeing things and bumps in the night do not an afterlife make. I need more then feelings or storys from people.
I need more then wanting to believe or *not* wanting to believe. I simply seek evidence.
Proof of an aferlife has been sought for millenia. Nobody has proven it yet. Faith is usually the required mindset.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence- Carl Sagan
When and if that extraordinary evidence comes, Ill be right there reading every word.
Please read post #19.
Like I said, spend a weekend at the Myrtles Plantation. They have extraordinary evidence coming out of the tuchis.
I just went to their website and you're right....
$230 a night scared the hell out of me : )
WOW! I haven't seen that crew since the 50's!
I'd like to be relatively polite and say you owe me a new keyboard, but I'm afraid I'll be needing a new office chair. ;-)
Anne Jeffreys - the ghostess with the most-ess!
You are wise in your assertions, but have you had any experiences yourself that cannot be put to your tests? You think your brother is crazy, but did you inquire throughout your family and close friends their stories, where you could look then in the eye enough to give them benefit of the doubt?
The stuff we are talking about requires YOU to experience something, then as "victim" justify said experience without coming off as a mental patient, or out to sell something.
Topper... good childhood memories.
Sounds like y'all's ghost needs more aggressive marketing.
Mrs. Topper: "Topper! That chair just floated out of the room!
Topper: "Well, my dear, it's a wing chair, after all...!"
They inhabit my wife's preschool. We have pictures with at least 12 different enites in it.
Good one, I almost replied to ask what I was missing.
Then I would suggest to submit them to scientific examination by experts. I am not the one to prove anything to. The scientific community is whom you need to be speaking with. Scientific proof of such things would be headlines around the world. Submit that evidence to experts. Is it repeatable? do they always occur?
The burdon of proof is on you. It is an extraordinary claim no question. So extraordinary that no one in history has been able to prove it yet to the scientific community. If such things exists outside of the human imagination, It should be observable, measurable, quantifiable, repeatable, provable.
Everything else has to go through a scientific process.
Why should these things be held less accountable?
Were the photographs in a controlled environment? Was the equipment and film lab quality? Is there a propensity by those interpretating the data to color the conclusion with their own beliefs? Was it a digital or film camera? Does only one capture an image and not the other? Why?
Or is it a phenomenon like jesus in the tortilla. The human brain seeks face like features. In clouds, trees, etc.
Scientific process can easily prove say a rare animal exists. Because the evidence is overwhelming.
A picture alone may not prove it completely. Perhaps make it likely. But fur, bone, blood, teeth, fossil record, DNA,footprints, build a case of overwhelming evidence.
We build and learn new tools every year to study the world around us.
Things halfway across the universe can be proven to exists because we can measure them with scientific apparatus in multiple ways. Each backing up the other.
There is *no reason* why ghosts or anything similar should get to escape this process as a burdon of proof.
Truth is, there are things out there that defy explanation. People like James Randi and Phillip Klass refuse to believe that because their minds are made up, and they don't wish to be confused with facts. But for those who have witnessed such phenomena, experienced it for themselves, they know better.
For people like yourself, the truth will always be just out of your reach until you open your mind to that very real possibility.
I'd forgotten that. Of course, I was about 5 or so when I used to watch that show. Leo G. Carroll as Cosmo. He wasn't as much fun later bossing around Napoleon Solo and Ilya Kuryakin.
Hmmm, flown on any "holisticly engineered airplanes" lately?
Science is why we have things like Pentium processors and cures for disease. Why we have satellites above and this very Internet we both are using right now.
The human race most definitely needs science.
Deny perhaps not. Verify, for me absolutely Yes.
The claims are *so fantastic* and mind-blowing, they demand verification.
I cant go by what someones unprovable experience is. There are too many logical explanations that are far more likely and plausable then a fantastic assertion such as ghosts. People believe and see a great deal of things that simply arent there all the time. Afterall, almost half this nation thought Kerry would make a good president and believed he would win. ;) Hey, I promise you, the day scientific peer-reviewed evidence is produced. I will be right there reading everyword and contemplating the implications of what it all means. Until then, the burdon is on those who make the fantastic claims.
If you believe and you feel its that important. Start working on the proof. Not just stories and personal experiences. Proof would be one of the biggest storys the human race has ever known with massive implications.
It is a huge red flag to me or any skeptical person when people give excuses why the scientific process cant be applied to their claims whatever they may be.
"Truth is, there are things out there that defy explanation."
One more thought on this. Yes I agree. We dont know everything of course. There are mysteries. But over time myteries get solved. Science has explained away hundreds of thousands of old beliefs. People that the stars were gods or campfires once. We know better now because someone studied and built apparatus to learn what they were.
Why should anything else be treated differently?
We dont know how and why ball lightning forms.
Its a rare phenomenon. It could have seemed like a ghost, god or entity to people that saw it. The only way to understand what something is is to study it. Not project our pre-conceived biased human beliefs on it.
I do not think that some people who make extraorindary claims are lying. I know that they believe it. I question their explanation.
I am not saying ghosts do or don't exist, but man you sure have a way of sounding like trailer park trash! What a bad attitude you have displayed in this thred, first with jumping ugly with anyone with an opposing viewpoint, then saying you are right and do not need any proof to porove you are right!
FRee Republic is a discussion forum. Why do you stifle "discussion"? A more subtle approach might gain you some converts and help keep the blood pressure in check at the same time!
Have a nice day!
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