Thanks.
This subject is covered in (exhausting) detail in Oppenheimer's excellent book: Out Of Eden. I also read his book Eden In The East, another good one.
Posted on 04/25/2005 5:11:40 PM PDT by blam
This is the result of a DNA study done by Professor Stephen Oppenheimer and funded by The Bradshaw Foundation. As you go on the journey, here are some things I would like you to make note of and I would appreciate your comments:
1. 135-115,000 years ago, notice that the first human excursion out of Africa failed/Died out.
2. 74,000 years ago Toba exploded and reduced the worldwide human population to 2-10,000. Note the (about) 10,000 year absence of humans in India, Pakistan and parts of SE Asia. Also, there are two populations of 'out of Africa' humans that are seperated from themselves for about 10,000 years.
3. 65,000 years ago, the two seperated 'out of Africa' populations were rejoined.
4. 25-22,000 years ago, humans made it to Meadowcroft in North America.
5. 22-19,000 The Last Glacial Maximum(LGM), the coldest period during the Ice Age. Notice that at least six groups of humans are seperated from themselves. It is my hunch that it was this period that Mongoloids and Caucasians were distinguished. The oldest (undisputed) Mongoloid skeleton ever found is 10,000 years old.
6. 10-8,000 years ago, agriculture begins in Mexico, China, the Amazon and Indonesia.
I will provide a link below for you to begin the journey.
GGG Ping.
"Stephen Oppenheimer is a world-recognised expert in the synthesis of DNA studies with archaeological and other evidence to track ancient migrations. He is a member of Green College, Oxford University"
Very interesting read on the human bottleneck and the Toba eruption can be found at http://www.andaman.org/book/app-r/ch5_bottleneck/textr5.htm.
Good post, thanks.
Bump for later. Fascinating, blam.
I was not able to get the references (pop-ups and lots of other things blocked), and will have to dig them out in other ways and then reconcile them with that I thought I knew. In any case, this is educational, immensely entertaining, and thought provoking. Might even be right; that would be even better.
If only more scientists/anthropologists could do this well the Luddites and other anti-science folks would really be on the run!
Thanks.
This subject is covered in (exhausting) detail in Oppenheimer's excellent book: Out Of Eden. I also read his book Eden In The East, another good one.
Oopsie. You have two scientists, you get three opinions.
Could you put me on your GGG ping list, thanks.
Take off the period at the end.
http://www.andaman.org/book/app-r/ch5_bottleneck/textr5.htm
The rest of the article is also interesting.
To read later.
Appearantly there's lots of room for conjecture.
Here's another approach:
Interesting post. Thanks.
Good info, thanks.
http://www.andaman.org/book/app-r/ch5_bottleneck/textr5.htm
Hopefully it works now.
Things are definately complicated. Check out this article.
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Wow! Thanks for posting that, I am totally impressed! The technology of DNA, the research, the compilation... What a fanastic effort! The visual affect is so educational. I sent the link to all I know, I liked it so much.
Link doesn't work.
Eden in the East:
The Drowned Continent
of Southeast Asia
by Stephen Oppenheimer
HardcoverOut of Eden
by Stephen OppenheimerThe Real Eve:
Modern Man's Journey
Out of Africa
by Stephen Oppenheimer
Thanks for the Ping! Nothing like a nice graphical animation to make clear several hundred pages worth of text.
A "this is really cool" ping.
I wasn't going to issue a ping for this article, because anthropology and archeology are inessential for the evolution list. But if you think it's "really cool" I'll have to go along. Cranking up the ping machine ...
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So, what exactly makes you think that your graphic contradicts Prof. Oppenheimer? Is it the 7 million BC estimate of the divergence from apes, the 1 million BC excursion of Homo erectus, or the 500,000 BC spread of Neanderthal, or is it something else? I'm just curious.
So, what exactly are you referring to?
Thanks for the ping. Great post. Interesting graphic.
All Oppenheimer is doing is tracing one family line over 160,000 years. Ghengis Kahn is well on the way to accomplishing that same task in a fraction of the time.
Thanks for the ping!
He obviously believes in the pre-Clovis theory.
Yup. You mean with the Meadowcroft entry. He said that the North American results were a little 'murky' (my word), but, believes there were five different populations that entered from the north. The "X" gene came with one of those populations.
Humans have the best endurance of any land mammal. If a human can track and keep an animal on the move, the animal will drop dead of exhaustion before the human does.
Bushmen in Africa (still) shoot an animal with a poison dart and track it for days before the animal dies.
Thank you blam. This is great!
I was a little disappointed because he doesn't even mention a possible Atlantic entry to the Americas...apparently, it didn't show up in the DNA.
The "X' gene that is common to some Europeans and American Indians came through the previously mentioned routes from the north. He says the "X" gene link between Europe and the Americas was broken during the Toba explosion which, would mean that it is very ancient. He doesn't say it but, I'm guessing the "X" gene came with the Jomon/Ainu types like Kennewick Man/Spirit Cave man.
Fascinating. Thanks for the ping. I was watching this show on the Discovery Channel on Ghenghis Khan. IIRC they said Khan and his offspring raped so many women that 1 out of every 10 people can trace their lineage directly back to him.
Yup, I saw that and even posted some articles on FR about it.
Did you see the follow up program where the Mongols built a huge fleet only to be destroyed in a typhoon? I always knew that was the source of the name Kamikaze but I did not know that they made landfall and were beat back into the ocean by the Samurai. Now that would make a great movie.
LOL, saw that one too. Something that I can't put my finger on was amiss about the program. Anyway, one thing they failed to mention is that the Samurai were from the Ainu tribe and were likely quite bigger than most of the attackers.
My pleasure.
Wow. Amazing links and info. You should write a book. Seriously.
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