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Who Started the Second World War?
Future of Freedom Foundation ^ | November 1991 | Richard M. Ebeling

Posted on 05/05/2005 2:13:21 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

Icebreaker: Who Started the Second World War? by Viktor Suvorov (London: Harnish Hamilton, 1990); 364 pages; $22.95.

In the early hours of September 1, 1939, the military might of Nazi Germany was set loose on Poland. As Panzer divisions crossed the Polish-German border, the German air force began its devastating rain of death on Warsaw and other Polish cities. On September 3, Britain and France declared war on Germany.

On September 17, the Soviet Red Army invaded Poland from the east and met up with the German forces at the city of Brest-Litovsk. Poland ceased to exist as an independent nation, divided between the two great totalitarian states of the European continent. World War II had begun.But did World War II, in fact, begin in September on the plains of Poland? And was it in fact, Nazi Germany that began the Second World War?

What made it possible for Hitler to feel secure in invading Poland to the east, and not to worry about a two-front war if Britain and France initiated hostilities in the west, was the Nazi-Soviet Non-Aggression Pact of August 23, 1939. In a secret protocol to the pact, Hitler and Stalin had agreed to divide up Eastern Europe. In the event of war, Poland would be split down the middle between Germany and the U.S.S.R., with Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and the Romanian province of Bessarabia assigned to the Soviet sphere of influence.

Why did Stalin enter into this fiendish pact with Hitler? After all, throughout the 1930s, the Nazi and Soviet leaders had accused each other of being the greatest evil on the face of the earth. Most historians have argued that Stalin had come to the conclusion that the Western powers could not be relied upon in case of war. Rather than face the German army on his own, it was better to sign a non-aggression pact with the Nazi devil and have the extra time to defensively prepare the Soviet Union for the attack that Stalin knew would eventually come from Nazi Germany.

Viktor Suvorov, in his book Icebreaker: Who Started the Second World War?, challenges this thesis concerning the rationale behind Soviet policy toward Hitler. Mr. Suvorov, a former Soviet army officer who has written extensively on the Soviet military and intelligence network, argues that the Nazi-Soviet pact was not a defensive action on Stalin's part. Instead, it was part of Stalin's Marxist strategy for revolutionary victory in Europe.

Marx and Engels believed that clashes between the capitalist nations would create avenues for the establishment of socialism. Lenin shared this belief. He saw World War I as a way among capitalist-imperialist powers, fighting over the plunder of the world. The more brutal and destructive the war, the more the power bases of the capitalist classes would be weakened. And out of this destruction would come the opportunity to transform a capitalist war into a "class war," resulting in the victory of communism.

World War I created the conditions for the Bolshevik Revolution and the triumph of socialism in Russia. Lenin believed that another world war would bring about the death of capitalism in other nations. Hence, anything that created the conditions for another world war was viewed as good from the revolutionary Marxist point of view.

Suvorov shows that Stalin shared this view. During the late 1920s and early 1930s, the Soviets assisted the Nazis in destroying the Weimar Republic in Germany. "Icebreaker,, was the Soviet code name for Hitler — the man who Would "break the ice "bring about another world war, and create the opportunity for the destruction of capitalism in Europe and the victory of socialism under Soviet leadership.

By signing the Nazi-Soviet pact in August 1939, Stalin deliberately produced the conditions for the world war that he wanted. Germany would fight the Other two main European powers — Britain and France — and then the Soviet Union would enter the war in its final stages to come out as the ultimate victor.

Suvorov also convincingly demonstrates that Stalin was not developing defensive forces along the new Soviet border with Germany, but rather as building up a vast and powerful offensive military force. Stalin was clearly Planning to enter the war by attacking Germany, and then bringing socialism to Central and Western Europe on the bayonets of the Red Army. Furthermore, all the evidence suggests — and Suvorov musters a vast amount of military and political evidence — that Stalin was planning his attack on Germany for the middle of July 1941.

Hitler preempted Lenin's plan by attacking the Soviet Union on June 22, 1941. The staggering defeats suffered by the Soviet army in the early stages of the war was due to the fact that Stalin had tom down many of the Soviet defense positions and had not equipped his armies facing Germany with strategic-defense plans. All of their plans were for offensive operations.

The man who started World War II, therefore, was Stalin, who wanted to use Hitler as a tool for communist victory. And his plan partly succeeded. Out of the war's death and destruction, the Soviet Union was left as master of half of Europe, with Stalin as its Red Czar in the Kremlin.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: 1939; commies; communism; geopolitics; germany; history; hitler; ironcurtain; lenin; molotov; molotovribbentrop; origins; ribbentrop; russia; secondworldwar; sovietunion; stalin; ussr; vilenin; worldwar2; worldwarii; wwii
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1 posted on 05/05/2005 2:13:21 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Hitler preempted Lenin's plan by attacking the Soviet Union on June 22, 1941. The staggering defeats suffered by the Soviet army in the early stages of the war was due to the fact that Stalin had tom down many of the Soviet defense positions and had not equipped his armies facing Germany with strategic-defense plans. All of their plans were for offensive operations.

Sacking most of his experienced generals didn't help much either.

I don't know if Papa Joe was this smart - he was better at exploiting opportunity rather than creating it.

2 posted on 05/05/2005 2:15:48 PM PDT by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Who started the Second World War? Well, my money is on Hillary.
3 posted on 05/05/2005 2:15:54 PM PDT by theDentist (The Dems are putting all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Who Started the Second World War? Liberal appeasement. Something that everyone knows doesn`t work except for liberals.


4 posted on 05/05/2005 2:16:13 PM PDT by Imaverygooddriver (ALL YOU BASE ARE BELONG TO US)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Who started the Second World War?

Japan's invasion of China in 1931 is as good a guess as any.

5 posted on 05/05/2005 2:19:11 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Ok, I did it, really.


6 posted on 05/05/2005 2:20:32 PM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: dirtboy

It's Bush's fault.


7 posted on 05/05/2005 2:20:49 PM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: dirtboy

They did by invading Poland

8 posted on 05/05/2005 2:21:23 PM PDT by Loud Mime (Liberals believe in their good; a good that is void of honesty and character)
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To: Doctor Stochastic

ding ding ding

we have a winner


9 posted on 05/05/2005 2:21:26 PM PDT by Skooz (Jesus Christ Set Me Free of Drug Addiction in 1985. Thank You, Lord.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I would have thought that WWII began when Germany invaded Czechoslovakia on March 15, 1939. Certainly in hindsight it is apparent that Hitler had no intention of stopping there. Especially considering what he had done in Austria one year earlier.


10 posted on 05/05/2005 2:21:56 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (This tagline will be destoyed to make way for a new Hyperspace bypass.)
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To: Imaverygooddriver
Liberal appeasement. Something that everyone knows doesn`t work except for liberals.

Oh, they know it doesn't work, that's why they promote appeasement. You see, they believe America is too powerful and is standing in the way of their global socialist utopia. Liberals want us to be taken down.
11 posted on 05/05/2005 2:23:01 PM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: theDentist

Didn't some old lady's cow kick over a lantern?


12 posted on 05/05/2005 2:23:46 PM PDT by bigsigh
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To: Doctor Stochastic

For that matter, Archduke Ferdinand's assination could be considered the start of it. So what cause that? The terrorists in Croatia could be a start.


13 posted on 05/05/2005 2:24:01 PM PDT by MacDorcha (Where Rush dares not tread, there are the Freepers!)
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To: bigsigh
Didn't some old lady's cow kick over a lantern?

No, that's World War One. I'm sure of it!

14 posted on 05/05/2005 2:27:18 PM PDT by RobRoy (Child support and maintenence (alimony) are what we used to call indentured slavery)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Stalin (communist), Hitler (National Socialist) and Chamberlain (liberal appeaser), started WWII.
15 posted on 05/05/2005 2:28:15 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (George Orwell was the first Neocon!)
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To: MacDorcha

How about the 'Treaty of Versailles'?


16 posted on 05/05/2005 2:28:15 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The second World War was a continuation of WW I. As the French undertook to starve the German population (several thousands died) that allowed the NAZI to take over.

The answer is the FRENCH started WW II.

I have always wondered why the UK and France declared war on Germany for the invasion of Poland and did not declare war on the USSR when they were in league with the Nazi and also invaded and murdered in Poland.
17 posted on 05/05/2005 2:28:46 PM PDT by YOUGOTIT
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To: RobRoy

Which concluded with WW2, by pissing germans off with the conditions set in the Treaty of Versailles :P


18 posted on 05/05/2005 2:29:23 PM PDT by BrooklynGOP (www.logicandsanity.com)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Chemberlain and Deladie by signing Munich pact.

Resyn is just simple revisionist.


19 posted on 05/05/2005 2:29:41 PM PDT by RusIvan
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
(This tagline will be destoyed to make way for a new Hyperspace bypass.)

LOL!

20 posted on 05/05/2005 2:30:09 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (George Orwell was the first Neocon!)
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To: MacDorcha

That started The War To End All Wars. It had an "official" ending on 11:11 11/11/1911 (as is shown by seismic records.)


21 posted on 05/05/2005 2:31:13 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

More pro-commie baloney!


22 posted on 05/05/2005 2:31:54 PM PDT by Leo Carpathian (FReeeePeee!)
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To: Borges

You know, they hammered the "treaty of versailles sowed the seeds of ww2" into our heads throughout middle school, high school, and college.

A few years ago I really started thinking about it . . . it really starts to come off as a "its really our fault that Hitler and the German people started the war . . .we were mean to them." Then I started thinking about the people who said, "its really our fault the hijackers flew those planes into the buildings . . .we were mean to them"


23 posted on 05/05/2005 2:33:03 PM PDT by ruiner
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To: theDentist; Tailgunner Joe
Who started the Second World War? Well, my money is on Hillary.

Silly Dentist!! Bush started it! ;)

24 posted on 05/05/2005 2:33:55 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (First you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women (HJ Simpson))
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To: Borges

I agree that it was the French insistence on inflicting massive debt and other penalties on a fledgling representative government that gave Hitler a chance to rise to power.


25 posted on 05/05/2005 2:34:15 PM PDT by Ingtar (Understanding is a three-edged sword : your side, my side, and the truth in between ." -- Kosh)
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To: dirtboy

The US, its evil and scary.

;0


26 posted on 05/05/2005 2:34:34 PM PDT by Conservomax (There are no solutions, only trade-offs.)
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To: Borges

Bingo!


27 posted on 05/05/2005 2:34:59 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: ruiner

Pat Buchanan has said it. But I agree with you.


28 posted on 05/05/2005 2:35:50 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Japan's invasion of China in 1931 is as good a guess as any.

That certainly got the ball rolling. Not to mention Italy's occupation of Ethopia in 1936.

29 posted on 05/05/2005 2:36:21 PM PDT by dfwgator (Minutemen: Just doing the jobs that American politicians won't do.)
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To: dirtboy
Sacking most of his experienced generals didn't help much either.

Didn't just sack them. He killed them. Apparently a German spy convinced him almost his entire officer corps was in league with the capitalists. So in 38 he killed just about every officer above the rank of major. NOT a good idea when planning an offensive war.

30 posted on 05/05/2005 2:36:56 PM PDT by Restorer
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To: Tailgunner Joe

"Who Started the Second World War?"


Bush??


31 posted on 05/05/2005 2:37:21 PM PDT by Hand em their arse
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To: Doctor Stochastic

Heh, and Clinton "officially" did NOT have sexual relations with that woman!

(Of course, that depends on what your definition of "is" is.)


32 posted on 05/05/2005 2:38:20 PM PDT by MacDorcha (Where Rush dares not tread, there are the Freepers!)
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To: RusIvan
Chemberlain and Deladie by signing Munich pact.

1936 - When the French didn't resist the Nazi march into the Rhineland. Hitler gave orders for the Germans to retreat if so much as one shot went off on the French side. Obviously they never did, and from that point on, Hitler, as he said after Munich, knew his enemies were but "little worms."

33 posted on 05/05/2005 2:39:01 PM PDT by dfwgator (Minutemen: Just doing the jobs that American politicians won't do.)
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To: Borges

Lol, which one again?


34 posted on 05/05/2005 2:39:47 PM PDT by MacDorcha (Where Rush dares not tread, there are the Freepers!)
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To: Borges
How about the 'Treaty of Versailles'?

A factor, to be sure. But you also could list these things as equal factors:

- The Russian Revolution (Hitler got a lot of support out of fear of Bolshevism)

- The Great Depression (Germany suffered greatly under it, which helped Hitler to rise to power)

35 posted on 05/05/2005 2:42:05 PM PDT by dfwgator (Minutemen: Just doing the jobs that American politicians won't do.)
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To: Loud Mime

"What ever you do, don't mention the war!"

36 posted on 05/05/2005 2:42:13 PM PDT by MississippyMuddy (No peace, without FREEDOM!!)
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To: ruiner
A few years ago I really started thinking about it . . . it really starts to come off as a "its really our fault that Hitler and the German people started the war . . .we were mean to them." Then I started thinking about the people who said, "its really our fault the hijackers flew those planes into the buildings . . .we were mean to them"

The "we were mean to them" answer is at least partly true. Among other things, it provided some ready-made grievances and problems that made militarism attractive, and it prompted the Weimar government to initiate hyperinflation to pay off the reparations.

Moreover, although the treaty was tough, it depended on the political will of (especially) the French -- which was of course non-existent.

Also, however, the Germans were not defeated in WWI the way they were in WWII. The lack of damage to the homeland allowed the militarists (who were not punished) to formulate the "stabbed in the back" excuse.

At the same time, we cannot forget the commies, who were actively trying to foment revolution in Germany, which gave traction to the various "marching societies," of which the Nazis were one.

37 posted on 05/05/2005 2:44:01 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: dfwgator

Considering fear of Bolshevism also caused fascist dictatorships to spring up in Italy and Spain among other places let's put the blame on Czar Nicholas II then for ignoring the warning signs! That Dummy should have listened to the Duma. :-)


38 posted on 05/05/2005 2:44:20 PM PDT by Borges
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To: YOUGOTIT
"The second World War was a continuation of WW I. As the French undertook to starve the German population (several thousands died) that allowed the NAZI to take over."

I think you got it. World War II started with the conditions that gave rise to Hitler. Both France and England were determined that Germany would not rise to compete again. Plus the thrust of Communism into Germany and Spain produced a Hitler response.

Wars are never won until you win the peace. e.g. the American leadership after WW II which overcame Britain, France plus Communist influence in our own administration who wanted to agrarianize Germany.

39 posted on 05/05/2005 2:45:39 PM PDT by ex-snook (Exporting jobs and the money to buy America is lose-lose..)
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To: Imaverygooddriver

Who Started the Second World War?

I don't know about that, but one of Bill's generals wanted to start WWIII in Kosovo. I think it was his room mate at that English school.


40 posted on 05/05/2005 2:45:53 PM PDT by chainsaw
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

Ding, Ding, Ding.


41 posted on 05/05/2005 2:46:20 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Democrats haven't had a new idea since Karl Marx.)
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To: bigsigh
Didn't some old lady's cow kick over a lantern?

No, that was the beginning of the Night Chicago Died. Brother, what a night it really was. Glory be!

42 posted on 05/05/2005 2:47:11 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Freeping since March 1998. This is my blessing. This is my curse.)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
By signing the Nazi-Soviet pact in August 1939, Stalin deliberately produced the conditions for the world war that he wanted.

What a surprise; the Molotov-Ribbentropp Pact was a manifestation that, despite doctrinal differences, tyrants of a feather flock together.

Who'd have guessed.....

43 posted on 05/05/2005 2:47:40 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Congress of Vienna 1841
44 posted on 05/05/2005 2:48:04 PM PDT by dts32041 (Two words that shouldn't be used in the same sentence Grizzly bear and violate.)
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To: r9etb
it prompted the Weimar government to initiate hyperinflation to pay off the reparations.

There are a number of reasons for the hyperinflation, but this ain't one of them. Even the French and British weren't stupid enough to take inflated German marks in payment of their reparations.

It did, however, allow the government to pay off its entire debt to its own citizens for essentially nothing.

45 posted on 05/05/2005 2:48:06 PM PDT by Restorer
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To: Restorer
It did, however, allow the government to pay off its entire debt to its own citizens for essentially nothing.

Ooops. My bad -- you're right.

46 posted on 05/05/2005 2:49:17 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: Borges

World War II started because of a lot of tragic coincidences, any one of a thousand events, had they gone the other way, could have avoided the war. Imagine if only someone had bought some of Hitler's paintings when he was in Vienna.


47 posted on 05/05/2005 2:50:00 PM PDT by dfwgator (Minutemen: Just doing the jobs that American politicians won't do.)
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To: RusIvan
"Chemberlain and Deladie"

Who are those guys? A spell checker is our friend.

48 posted on 05/05/2005 2:51:15 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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To: All

It started when the wife of a customs agent gave birth to a son, in Braunau Austria, near the end of the 19th century.


49 posted on 05/05/2005 2:52:46 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (BEWARE YOUR FREEPER IDs AND POSTINGS CAN BE FOUND ON GOOGLE SEARCH. HILLARY IS WATCHING YOU!)
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To: Loud Mime
Don't mention the war.
50 posted on 05/05/2005 2:55:03 PM PDT by Malesherbes
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