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What Women Want
NY Times ^ | May 24, 2005 | JOHN TIERNEY

Posted on 05/24/2005 12:48:37 PM PDT by neverdem

Suppose you could eliminate the factors often blamed for the shortage of women in high-paying jobs. Suppose that promotions and raises did not depend on pleasing sexist male bosses or putting in long nights and weekends away from home. Would women make as much as men?

Economists recently tried to find out in an experiment in Pittsburgh by paying men and women to add up five numbers in their heads. At first they worked individually, doing as many sums as they could in five minutes and receiving 50 cents for each correct answer. Then they competed in four-person tournaments, with the winner getting $2 per correct answer and the losers getting nothing.

On average, the women made as much as the men under either system. But when they were offered a choice for the next round - take the piece rate or compete in a tournament - most women declined to compete, even the ones who had done the best in the earlier rounds. Most men chose the tournament, even the ones who had done the worst.

The men's eagerness partly stemmed from overconfidence, because on average men rated their ability more highly than the women rated theirs. But interviews and further experiments convinced the researchers, Muriel Niederle of Stanford and Lise Vesterlund of the University of Pittsburgh, that the gender gap wasn't due mainly to women's insecurities about their abilities. It was due to different appetites for competition.

"Even in tasks where they do well, women seem to shy away from competition, whereas men seem to enjoy it too much," Professor Niederle said. "The men who weren't good at this task lost a little money by choosing to compete, and the really good women passed up a lot of money by not entering tournaments they would have won."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: employmentatwill; estrogenpoisoning; executives; feminazis; freedomofcontract; hiring; management; manhaters; promotion; testosterone; women
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To: Tax-chick
a TRL zombie (either gender, hit don't signify):

"Wooo-HOOO!"

141 posted on 05/24/2005 2:17:41 PM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: blueblazes

No risk, no gain. Capitalism rewards (and punishes) risk, with its highest payout. Makes sense though, doesent it?


142 posted on 05/24/2005 2:19:43 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: King Prout

Um ... bless your heart.


143 posted on 05/24/2005 2:20:13 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I'm a shallow, demagoguic sectarian because it's easier than working for a living.)
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To: MarkL

And their feet rubbed...


We have a winner. This is one of the few things I absolutely require of my boyfriend. It's essential. Chocolate I can hunt for myself, but to have my feet rubbed...ahhhhhhh.....


144 posted on 05/24/2005 2:22:58 PM PDT by blueblazes
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To: blueblazes

As a homeschooler, we have what we call the Madonna principle. Madonna's product is essentially worthless, and the product of say an ER nurse is absolutely vital. However, the market is such that Madonna can sell her product to several million people a year, and the ER nurse, while more valuable, can only sell her product to several hundred to a couple thousand people a year. It's not that we value Madonna more, it's that her market is such that even at next to no value, it makes her gazillions.


145 posted on 05/24/2005 2:22:59 PM PDT by Melas
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To: Melas

You know, that's an interesting perspective and one I hadn't considered. Sheer size of the market does make a difference.


146 posted on 05/24/2005 2:25:53 PM PDT by blueblazes
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To: Tax-chick

the small lump of anthracite lodged in me bosom thanks 'ee


147 posted on 05/24/2005 2:29:31 PM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: blueblazes

helps if he has some knowledge of primary sensory nerve routing, doesn't it?

I mean, you do know the route the nerve endings take en-route between your sacro-lumbar spine and the web of your big toe, right?


148 posted on 05/24/2005 2:31:24 PM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: Hi Heels
Eating speaks louder than words.
Sheriff Andy Taylor
149 posted on 05/24/2005 2:38:04 PM PDT by FreedomFarmer (Socialism is not an ideology, it is a disease. Eliminate the vectors.)
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To: Phantom Lord

"Uncalled for sexist question here, but why is it that (in my experience) the vast majority of nurses are way over weight?"

Well you know how those trim, shapely looking nurses look in their uniforms? They got latched onto.


150 posted on 05/24/2005 2:45:12 PM PDT by jwh_Denver (BUSH --- BUILD THOSE WALLS!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
I have zero patience with this "you hurt my feelings, but I'm not going to tell you why and there's nothing you can do about it because I'll always find some reason to be a ticked off victim" mentality.

OMG, you must know my girlfriend.

151 posted on 05/24/2005 2:47:01 PM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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To: King Prout

"Suppose you could eliminate the factors often blamed for the shortage of women in high-paying jobs"

Suppose we could clone Ronald Reagan tomorrow.

Suppose we could end world hunger with a "send" button....

Suppose women didn't get pregnant.....


152 posted on 05/24/2005 3:15:40 PM PDT by international american (Tagline now flameproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: KellyAdmirer

" Well, if you don't know what you did, I'm certainly not going to tell you"


153 posted on 05/24/2005 3:16:42 PM PDT by international american (Tagline now flameproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: KellyAdmirer

"OMG, you must know my girlfriend."

I HOPE you're kidding. If not...RUN!


154 posted on 05/24/2005 3:20:51 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: international american
KUMMMMBAAAAYAAAA, MAH LO'D...
155 posted on 05/24/2005 3:25:53 PM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: coder2
$1.51 a gallon !!!

That's hilarious! I noticed that before the nozzle hanging out.

156 posted on 05/24/2005 3:27:02 PM PDT by Big Giant Head (I should change my tagline to "Big Giant Pancake on my Head")
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To: Chiapet

Women are better at manipulating people.


157 posted on 05/24/2005 3:29:08 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Ignore the naysayers and blowhards!)
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To: neverdem

Men are more competitive than women, therefore the study is not surprising.


158 posted on 05/24/2005 3:29:56 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Ignore the naysayers and blowhards!)
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To: oblomov
"I think that society DOES value what you mention. Look at the high pay that doctors get. Also, although many teachers complain of low pay, they receive high psychic income, as well as schedule that allows for more free time than most other professions."

It is much simplier than what you state.

"Barriers to entry" are the reason for the pay discrepancy between doctors and teachers.

Anybody can be a teacher, subsequently there is a large supply of potential teachers willing to replace current teachers who are not willing to teach at the prevailing wage rate.

The converse is true for doctors.

159 posted on 05/24/2005 3:31:50 PM PDT by tahiti
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To: King Prout

: )......on a lighter note, premium gasoline was retailing
for $ 3.09 per gallon today at the Union 76 station in Malibu, California. As I drove by, I couldn't help but surmise that this was an outright attempt to gouge multimillionaires like Warren Beatty, Martin Sheen, and Burt Bachrach.


160 posted on 05/24/2005 3:47:07 PM PDT by international american (Tagline now flameproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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