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Is President Bush Living In a Pre-911 World?

Posted on 02/19/2006 1:01:35 PM PST by Brian_Baldwin

The Bush administration refuses to take control of the Mexican border, despite 911 and the dangers such careless lax of security exposes our citizens to, and now the questionable outsourcing of control operations over six major U.S. ports to a company hosted out of a terrorist-sponsoring Middle-Eastern nation, a precarious enterprise which is endorsed and defended by the Bush administration to the outrage of many among both parties, Republicans and Democrats. Before 911, any political advantage and money contributions some Republicans thought they would gain from Corporate and big-Agra business which break U.S. laws through hire and exploitation of illegal aliens to the demise of the American Middle-Class, and any ill-gained “Republican” votes they thought they would garner from voter fraud of illegals or those voters who identify more with Mexico than America was in itself questionable, but after 911 it is an irresponsible and dangerous border policy. Yet, these special interests are of more importance to the Bush Administration than the safety of our citizens and our national security. Pre-911 the idea of a “Palestinian State” was questionable, and as predicted by many conservatives that such a state would simply be a Palestinian Terrorist State and a victory for Hamas was proven correct, a prediction pooh-hoed by the Bush Administration. Post -911, it is not only irresponsible of the Bush Administration to pursue and bully an Israeli retreat, it is dangerous to continue such a fantasy, as dangerous to America as it is to Israel. Now with the outsourcing of one of the most coveted targets for international Middle-Eastern terrorists - the ports of the United States - to interests which have obvious ties to the same simply attests to an uncomfortable reality to right-minded thinking Americans:

. . . that the Bush Administration is (now) living in a pre-911 view of the world, a pre-911 mentality that is likely to lead to the death of many Americans at the hands of Islamic terrorists.

There use to be what many conservatives called “The Eastern Establishment” among Republicans - the Rockefeller Republicans ("La Cooka-Rocka-Fella Republicans") whose main concern was, and is, global Corporate interests of Big Business, special interests which are of more precedent to such party hacks than American values and the interests of the United States and our people.

It looks like the Bush Administration is wearing the check-pants of this wing of the Republican Party, which isn’t conservative, and has a pre-911 view of the world, a fantasy world that is going to have consequences for the security of America and world peace in general. Giving the terrorists back-door means to attack the West doesn’t contribute to world peace, it destabilizes world peace because the same terrorists will advantage whatever weakness the West gives to them. Buying and selling, free trade, global corporate interests, all of this isn’t the same as freedom. For that matter, the Bin Laden family runs a very good construction industry - why not just let the Bin Laden family rebuild the World Trade Towers?

It is a pre-911 mentality that is going to do us harm. For me, it is clear, the Bush Administration is as much in the pre-911 mentality as the worst of some Democrats.

What is Rudy Giuliani's opinion on the port question? Has he made any statement in this regard? He is a likely candidate for the Presidency of the United States, and in that I would consider him as such a candidate, I would like to know. Where is he on this? With those who have a post-911 view of the world, or a pre-911 view of the world that the Bush Administration seems to have?


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To: Pukin Dog

I've got a great idea. We're just way to over-protective these days. What a bunch of worry-warts we've turned into.

At our homes let's leave our cars unlocked with the keys int he ignition. Let's leave the front door wide open at night. Let's put a sign on the front lawn, "Virgin In the Front Bedroom" please don't come inside, you might wake the parents upstairs in the back.

Let's let our three and four year old children play on the front lawn near heavy traffic with no adult supervision. Let's not buy that car insurance. To hell with healthcare coverage.

Knives can be left where children can reach them. Caustic substances can remain under the sink without a protective latch. Don't replace that freyed extension cord.

Let's not teach our children gun safety. If the ten year old wants the car, for God sake give them the keys.

National security is nothing more than taking preventative measures to protect the national family. By God, screw it. Who needs it?

Let's finance our largest global adversary's militaristic desires.
Let's forget about the Panama Canal and a Chinese presence there.
Let's allow COSCO to ply our coastlines and most vital ports.
Let's let foreign nations run our ports.
Let's continue to allow people to come here from terrorist states.
Let's continue to allow our national home to be invaded by three to five million unknowns each year.
Let's cut back our military.
Let's close as many bases as possible.
Let's cut our Navy in less than half.
Let's destroy about 95% of our nuclear arsenal.
Space, aw let's go through the motions, burn off as much funds as possible and achieve nearly nothing.
Space, let's watch other nations progress while we act as if we're impotent.
Education, hey let's double the budget of a department that is hell bent on destorying our values system.
Education, let's continue to allow the DOE to produce students that place something like 19th in the world.

Yes, none of this matters. Those of us who think they do are just way too easily disturbed.


41 posted on 02/19/2006 1:25:26 PM PST by DoughtyOne (If it's a "Religion of Peace", some folks aren't very religious.)
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To: Pukin Dog

Sorry about your case. I didn't know.


42 posted on 02/19/2006 1:25:51 PM PST by DoughtyOne (If it's a "Religion of Peace", some folks aren't very religious.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Right, and on FreeRepublic we have a word for your side, "Poopthink".

And you're a poopy head! Your mother wears combat boots and your sister has the Cooties! ;-)

The UAE is a collection of Emirates, with Dubai (where the company in question is based) being the most liberal and pro-American of the bunch. Each Emirate is self-governing under a general federation.

43 posted on 02/19/2006 1:26:25 PM PST by Clemenza (I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked...)
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To: DoughtyOne; Reagan Man
Right, and on FreeRepublic we have a word for your side, "Poopthink".

RM, Poop knows Poopthink
44 posted on 02/19/2006 1:26:46 PM PST by Stellar Dendrite (There's nothing "Mainstream" about the Orwellian Media!!!)
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To: Brian_Baldwin
a prediction pooh-hoed by the Bush Administration.
Is that fecal-related or perhaps a farming term?

 

45 posted on 02/19/2006 1:27:05 PM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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To: DoughtyOne

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1580971/posts
UAE, Palestine to set up a joint investment firm


46 posted on 02/19/2006 1:27:20 PM PST by Stellar Dendrite (There's nothing "Mainstream" about the Orwellian Media!!!)
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To: DoughtyOne
Your 41# is a standard strawman. If you think you are right ON THIS ISSUE, then argue this issue. Bring your facts! Oh, thats right, you dont have any.
47 posted on 02/19/2006 1:27:35 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Clemenza

And what are the thoughts of these Emerate's citizens toward the United States? We certainly know what the thoughts of two of them were.


49 posted on 02/19/2006 1:27:51 PM PST by DoughtyOne (If it's a "Religion of Peace", some folks aren't very religious.)
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To: Clemenza
Hey! A fact is a terrible thing to waste! As you can see, they aint interested.
50 posted on 02/19/2006 1:28:51 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Clemenza

Qatar isn't bad either (or Bahrain for that matter).


51 posted on 02/19/2006 1:29:29 PM PST by 91B (God made man, Sam Colt made men equal.)
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To: Pukin Dog

Let me see, a nation with two citizens that helped to take down the twin towers is now going to run our ports. Yep, we don't have any facts at all on our side. Right?

How quick some "conservative" forget.


52 posted on 02/19/2006 1:30:01 PM PST by DoughtyOne (If it's a "Religion of Peace", some folks aren't very religious.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Didn't the UAE recognize the Taliban as a legit gov't of Afghanistan?

Also, according to the NY post/Malkin:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1580589/posts

"And while the Bush folks now consider the UAE a major ally in the war against terror, the Treasury Department has been stonewalled by the emirates, and other Arab countries, in trying to track Osama bin Laden's bank accounts."


53 posted on 02/19/2006 1:31:00 PM PST by Stellar Dendrite (There's nothing "Mainstream" about the Orwellian Media!!!)
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To: buffmonster

Well it's clear from some of the braintrusts on this site, that they think those relatives would have be dumb as a tree stump to object.


54 posted on 02/19/2006 1:31:07 PM PST by DoughtyOne (If it's a "Religion of Peace", some folks aren't very religious.)
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To: DoughtyOne
And Finally (drum roll, please) The Al Qaeda Training Manual discovered in the UK describes recruiting seaport workers as making good recruits: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/jihadmanual.html

The Al Qaeda Training Manual discovered in the UK describes recruiting seaport workers as making good recruits:

------ "TWELFTH LESSON: ESPIONAGE "

Information needed through covert means: Information needed to be gathered through covert means

is of only two types:

First: Information about government personnel, officers, important personalities, and all matters related to those (residence,work place, times of leaving and returning, wives and children, places visited)

Second: Information about strategic buildings, important establishments, and military bases.

Examples are important ministries such as those of Defense and Internal Security, airports, seaports, land border points, embassies, and radio and TV stations.

---

Candidates for Recruitment Are:

1. Smugglers

2. Those seeking political asylum

3. Adventurers

4. Workers at coffee shops, restaurants, and hotels

5. People in need

6. Employees at borders, airports, and seaports
55 posted on 02/19/2006 1:32:00 PM PST by Stellar Dendrite (There's nothing "Mainstream" about the Orwellian Media!!!)
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To: DoughtyOne
Gotcha! I knew it.

Now, you mention two dead terrorists, and imply I am not a conservative?

I repeat: ARGUE THE FACTS OF THIS ISSUE! I DARE YOU!
56 posted on 02/19/2006 1:32:44 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Brian_Baldwin
The Bush administration refuses to take control of the Mexican border, despite 911 and the dangers such careless lax of security exposes our citizens to, and now the questionable outsourcing of control operations over six major U.S. ports to a company hosted out of a terrorist-sponsoring Middle-Eastern nation, a precarious enterprise which is endorsed and defended by the Bush administration to the outrage of many among both parties, Republicans and Democrats. Before 911, any political advantage and money contributions some Republicans thought they would gain from Corporate and big-Agra business which break U.S. laws through hire and exploitation of illegal aliens to the demise of the American Middle-Class, and any ill-gained “Republican” votes they thought they would garner from voter fraud of illegals or those voters who identify more with Mexico than America was in itself questionable, but after 911 it is an irresponsible and dangerous border policy.

Congratulations! I believe you have won the FR longest sentence prize.

57 posted on 02/19/2006 1:33:46 PM PST by Mogengator
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To: Stellar Dendrite

If our businesses want to conduct business in the Arab Oil Emirates, I support them. I do not support the UAE gaining control of the operations of our ports.

Once they do, this is one more issue that will go underground. We won't know one detail about how those operations change, and what we are actually exposed to.

I am against it. It's a foot in the door, and I say slam it.


58 posted on 02/19/2006 1:34:11 PM PST by DoughtyOne (If it's a "Religion of Peace", some folks aren't very religious.)
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To: Pukin Dog

I just did an it sailed right over your head.

How many U.S. deaths due to UAE citizens actions do we need?

Give me a figure.


60 posted on 02/19/2006 1:35:28 PM PST by DoughtyOne (If it's a "Religion of Peace", some folks aren't very religious.)
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