Posted on 08/14/2006 6:17:14 PM PDT by blam
DNA test can detect Picts' descendants
By Auslan Cramb, Scottish Correspondent
(Filed: 14/08/2006)
A geneticist has created a DNA test for "Scottishness" that will tell people whether they are direct descendants of the Picts.
The test, expected to cost about £130, checks a sample of saliva against 27 genetic markers linked to some of the earliest inhabitants of Scotland.
Dr Jim Wilson, of the public health sciences department at Edinburgh University, said: "We started this work a few years ago, looking at the Norse component, and we proved that a large proportion of people on Orkney are descended from Vikings.
"Now the markers have moved on massively and we have discovered that we can trace back the component of the indigenous Picts by looking at the unique grouping of their Y-chromosome. We believe that this would have been found only in Scotland."
Scientists were able to isolate the unique Pictish DNA strands from 1,000-year-old bone fragments found in ancient burial grounds
Don Marquis?
Bingo! I was thinking after I typed it, maybe RAH used a little artistic license, the time frane is about right for RAH as a youngster to have read Marquis. No telling what fragments of our early readings stick in our memories.
This is a great thread.
Excuse me, but Saxons are NOT Vikings! They're Germanic.
Also, North America was "discovered" thousands of years before a few Johnny-come-lately biker-types in longboats.
Just found out today that my baby brother, the one who's been taking the family Y-chromosome tests for me, has renal cancer.
Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today.
The derivation of the word "law" is Teutonic (Anglo-Saxon) lagu, meaning something which is fixed.
The Common Law has Celtic and Anglo Saxon derivation. See, for example, West Saxon Lage.
The Civil Law, which the Normans brought, is Catholic canon law, derived from the Romans, who got it from the Greeks. First codified in the Code of Justinian.
If you are really interested in learning more about the history of the Common Law, most start with Blackstone:
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/blackstone/blacksto.htm
For Civil Law, nothing beats Yiannopoulos (as he would tell you himself):
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1579803806/sr=8-4/qid=1155755649/ref=sr_1_4/102-6634800-7464918?ie=UTF8
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Did the Vikings drive natives from the isles?Viking settlers may have "ethnically cleansed" Scotland's islands, waging a genocidal campaign against native Pictish tribes as they arrived, according to evidence uncovered by archaeologists... Work at Langskaill farm, in Westray, shows signs of a Pictish culture vanish abruptly with the arrival of the Scandinavians, underlining the theory that the Northern Isles were taken violently... A Viking-Norse longhouse was unearthed, which was built directly over an earlier earth house and part of a Pictish house, probably indicating a takeover of the site and adjoining lands... In recent years, the image of the Vikings has been transformed from bloodthirsty pagan savages to that of sophisticated merchants with exceptional navigational and engineering skills. The finds on Orkney, however, are expected to reopen the entire debate.
by Stephen Stewart
May 17 2005
Vikings and Saxons were both Germanic & old Norse is a Germanic language. Some of the earliest English common law was derived from Danelaw.
Biker types? ::rolls eyes::
There wasn't really an "England" under the Angles & Saxons. Welsh or "British" law wasn't incorporated into English law.
The Bruce family was of the Anglo-Norman elite. Adam de Brus accompanied William the Conqueror to England where he was given large estates. The Scots-Irish American Witherspoon family traces it's lineage back to Robert the Bruce through John Knox (The Reformer) who married Margaret Stewart of the Ochiltree branch of the Stewart line.
Yes
The British Isles seem to have gotten wave after wave of peoples from the mainland (Iberia, Celts, Romans, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Vikings, Norman French, Poles, etc.).
Poles? Few places in the world have been spared wave after wave of peoples from elsewhere.
And what law school did you attend, dear?
Go back and read your Blackstone, hon.
By the ftatute alfo of Wales c very material alterations were made in divers parts of their laws, fo as to reduce them nearer to the Englifh ftandard, efpecially in the forms of their judicial proceedings : but they ftill retained very much of their original polity, particularly their rule of inheritance, viz, that their lands were divided equally among all the iffue male, and did not defcend to the eldeft fon alone.
The Welsh laws were retained in Wales after Edward I brought them under direct English rule, but those laws were never made part of English law. Welsh family law helped lead to the demise of an independant Wales.
BTW, "all issue male" included natural born sons, but those with handicaps were excluded.
Blackstone's Commentaries: Book 1, Part 1, Section 3
http://www.constitution.org/tb/tb-1103.htm
But the irruption and establishment of the Danes in England, which followed soon after, introduced new customs, and caused this code of Alfred in many provinces to fall into disuse; or at least to be mixed and debased with other laws of a coarser alloy. So that about the beginning of the eleventh century there were three principal systems of laws, prevailing in different districts. 1. The Mercen-Lage, or Mercian laws which were observed in many of the midland counties, and those bordering on the principality of Wales, the retreat of the antient Britons; and therefore very probably intermixed with the British or Druidical customs. 2. The West-Saxon-Lage, or laws of the west Saxons, which obtained in the counties to the south and west of the island, from Kent to Devonshire. These were probably much the same with the laws of Alfred above-mentioned, being the municipal law of the far most considerable part of his dominions, and particularly including Berkshire, the seat of his peculiar residence. 3. The Dane-Lage, or Danish law, the very name of which speaks it's original and composition. This was principally. maintained in the rest of the midland counties, and also on the eastern coast, the part most exposed to the visits of that piratical people. As for the very northern provinces, they were at that time under a distinct government.[8]
Out of these three laws, Roger Hoveden[9] and Ranulphus Cestrensis[10] inform us, king Edward the confessor extracted one uniform law or digest of laws, to be observed throughout the whole kingdom; though Hoveden and the author of an old manuscript chronicle[11] assure us likewise, that this work was projected and begun by his grandfather king Edgar.
I wonder if those rotten Vikings were only coming home, since that love to boat thing was common to Norsemen & Picts. Course, the physical descriptions of the populations would argue against it.
"Oh.....Jute!"
LOL! You guys are killing me.
(note to self: Don't kill the good guys.)
Well, you just blew your own theory, didn't you?
First, you said "Welsh or "British" law wasn't incorporated into English law."
Then, when you took the trouble to look it up, you found that you were wrong.
You also found out that the argument made upstream, that English law is "really" Danelaw, was also false.
Good job!
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