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Far More Than A Meteor Killed Dinos, Evidence Suggests
Science Daily ^ | 10-24-2006 | GSA

Posted on 10/25/2006 3:33:16 PM PDT by blam

Source: Geological Society of America
Date: October 24, 2006

Far More Than A Meteor Killed Dinos, Evidence Suggests

There's growing evidence that the dinosaurs and most their contemporaries were not wiped out by the famed Chicxulub meteor impact, according to a paleontologist who says multiple meteor impacts, massive volcanism in India, and climate changes culminated in the end of the Cretaceous Period.

Cottonmouth Creek waterfall over the event deposit with reworked Chicxulub impact spherules. The original Chicxulub ejecta layer was discovered in a yellow clay layer 45 cm below the base of the event deposit. The yellow clay represents a cheto smectite clay consisting of altered Chicxulub impact glass spherules. (Image courtesy of Geological Society of America)

The Chicxulub impact may, in fact, have been the lesser and earlier of a series of meteors and volcanic eruptions that pounded life on Earth for more than 500,000 years, say Princeton University paleontologist Gerta Keller and her collaborators Thierry Adatte from the University of Neuchatel, Switzerland, and Zsolt Berner and Doris Stueben from Karlsruhe University in Germany. A final, much larger and still unidentified impact 65.5 million years ago appears to have been the last straw, exterminating two thirds of all species in one of the largest mass extinction events in the history of life. It's that impact -- not Chicxulub -- which left the famous extraterrestrial iridium layer found in rocks worldwide that marks the impact that finally ended the Age of Reptiles.

"The Chicxulub impact could not have caused the mass extinction," says Princeton University paleontologist Gerta Keller, "because this impact predates the mass extinction and apparently didn't cause any extinctions."

Keller is scheduled to present that evidence at the Annual Meeting of the Geological Society of America in Philadelphia, 22-25 October. The results of her research, which was funded by the National Science Foundation, will be discussed in two technical sessions and a public lecture sponsored by the Philadelphia Geological Survey.

Marine sediments drilled from the Chicxulub crater itself, as well as from a site in Texas along the Brazos River, and from outcrops in northeastern Mexico reveal that Chicxulub hit Earth 300,000 years before the mass extinction. Small marine animal microfossils were left virtually unscathed, says Keller.

"In all these localities we can analyze the marine microfossils in the sediments directly above and below the Chicxulub impact layer and cannot find any significant biotic effect," said Keller. "We cannot attribute any specific extinctions to this impact." No one has ever published this critical survival story before, she said. Keller's research was funded by the National Science Foundation.

The story that seems to be taking shape is that Chicxulub, though violent, actually conspired with the prolonged and gigantic eruptions of the Deccan Flood Basalts in India, as well as with climate change, to nudge species towards the brink. They were then shoved over with a second large impact.

The Deccan volcanism did the nudging by releasing vast amount of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere over a period of more than a million years leading up tothe mass extinction. By the time Chicxulub struck, the oceans were already 3-4 degrees warmer, even at the bottom, she says.

"On land it must have been 7-8 degrees warmer," says Keller. "This greenhouse warming is well documented. The temperature rise was rapid, over about 20,000 years, and it stayed warm for about100,000 years, then cooled back to normal well before the mass extinction."

Marine species at the time suffered from the heat. Most adapted to the stress conditions by dwarfing, growing less than half their normal size and reproducing rapidly with many offspring to increase the chances for survival. The Chicxulub impact coincided with this time. By the time climate cooled back to normal, most tropical species were on the brink of extinction. Then the second large impact hit and pushed them over the brink -- many straight to extinction.

As for how the dinosaurs were affected, that's a bit harder to say specifically, since dinosaurs did not leave a lot of fossils behind to tell the tale.

"Dinosaur fossils are few and far between," Keller said. "People love the dinosaurs but we can only really study what happened to them by looking at microfossils because these little critters are everywhere at all times. In just a pinch of sediment we can tell you the age, the prevailing climate, the environment in which it was deposited and what happened. It's remarkable."

What the microfossils are saying is that Chicxulub probably aided the demise of the dinosaurs, but so did Deccan trap volcanism's greenhouse warming effect and finally a second huge impact that finished them off. So where's the crater?

"I wish I knew," said Keller. "There is some evidence that it may have hit in India, where a crater of about 500 kilometers in diameter is estimated and named Shiva by paleontologist Sankar Chatterjee from the Museum of Texas Tech University in Lubbock. The evidence for it, however, is not very compelling at this time."


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To: pctech
Agree, why more people can't take the Bible literally and come to the conclusion that a world-wide flood killed the dinosaurs is beyond me.

That's a very honest admission.

41 posted on 10/25/2006 4:26:10 PM PDT by mc6809e
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To: blam

Vindicating Gore and increasing his chances for a 2nd presidential nomination...
He was right, he was there!


42 posted on 10/25/2006 4:27:38 PM PDT by citizencon
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To: ml/nj

"In other words, they don't know WTF killed the dinos. And the don't really know when they lived, but they're sure they did. They think."

Yup. And after many more decades that will still be the situation because no one was there to see it for themselves.


43 posted on 10/25/2006 4:28:45 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: pissant

44 posted on 10/25/2006 4:29:23 PM PDT by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: blam
Well what do you know. Climate change took place on earth without any assistance from man.

Perhaps its a fact of life on an ever-changing planet.

Regards, Ivan

45 posted on 10/25/2006 4:29:37 PM PDT by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: blam

I would go with the simple notion that a meteor that large could have created a caldera where it hit. Then, in a relatively short period of time the caldera would have erupted in a supervolcano, wiping out all nearby traces of the meteor hit.

The location of that crater could be narrowed down by the only places on Earth without an Iridium layer attributed to that meteor.


46 posted on 10/25/2006 4:31:21 PM PDT by Popocatapetl
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To: Scotswife
And after many more decades that will still be the situation because no one was there to see it for themselves.

There are lots of things I didn't see for myself. I never saw Thomas Jefferson. I've never seen the pyramids of Egypt, nor heard a single shot fired in the War Between the States. But I have no doubt that those things are/were real.

ML/NJ

47 posted on 10/25/2006 4:34:03 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: pctech
Big Flood.
Maybe some meteoric and volcanic action stirred into the mix ('windows of heaven being opened, and fountains of the great deep broken up') ...Some heavy duty stuff was going on.

Genesis 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
12And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.

48 posted on 10/25/2006 4:34:46 PM PDT by El Cid
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To: blam

Was the Deccan event an asteroid impact? There was another massive lava event in Siberia. Was that also an asteroid impact?


49 posted on 10/25/2006 4:35:43 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: RaceBannon
Re: 12

eh, I should have read further down ... you beat my post (#48).

50 posted on 10/25/2006 4:36:02 PM PDT by El Cid
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To: blam
There's growing evidence that the dinosaurs and most their contemporaries were not wiped out by the famed Chicxulub meteor impact,

Growing? I don't think so. It's already grown, The evidence has been overwhelmingly against an impact wiping out the Dinosaurs since day 1

according to a paleontologist who says multiple meteor impacts,

More & More Epicycles!!!!

Give it up already, I know the big bad dinosaurs getting wiped out by an asteroid just sounds so cool, but there's no such evidence of an impact or impacts having any kind of significant effect.

massive volcanism in India, and climate changes culminated in the end of the Cretaceous Period.

Makes much more sense

Marine sediments drilled from the Chicxulub crater itself, as well as from a site in Texas along the Brazos River, and from outcrops in northeastern Mexico reveal that Chicxulub hit Earth 300,000 years before the mass extinction. Small marine animal microfossils were left virtually unscathed, says Keller........

What the microfossils are saying is that Chicxulub probably aided the demise of the dinosaurs..........

The second part contradicts the 1st,

Gee, these impact scientist are almost as bad as the flood "scientist" 

51 posted on 10/25/2006 4:36:05 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: isom35
"maybe the work of a serial killer?"

An early incursion by white Europeans.
52 posted on 10/25/2006 4:36:33 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: BipolarBob
It's easier than that. All we have to do is ask Helen Thomas what happened. She was there.
53 posted on 10/25/2006 4:37:08 PM PDT by Brucifer (JF'n Kerry- "That's not just a paper cut, it's a Purple Heart!")
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To: All

I have never heard of the second meteor impact. Does anybody know of it and where it was?

Thank you,


54 posted on 10/25/2006 4:38:52 PM PDT by fatez (Euthanasia - GenX's retirement plan for the boomers)
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To: mewzilla

LOL. I just KNEW that cartoon was there...but I clicked it anyway!

Thanks


55 posted on 10/25/2006 4:38:55 PM PDT by Captain Rhino ( Dollars spent in India help a friend; dollars spent in China arm an enemy.)
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To: pctech
I agree there was a world wide flood and more that wiped out all flesh during the dino age, but it was not Noah's flood. Reason God was not angry with the dinos and he told Noah to put two of every flesh on the ark, but Noah did not have any dinos to put on the ark.
56 posted on 10/25/2006 4:41:59 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: 1forall
I can't recall where I read it but there have been many instances of fossils of sea creatures in mountain ranges throughout the earth. How did they get there?

It's called Tectonic uplift . the collision of continental plates pushes the edges up.

BTW do you happen to know where Noah kept the sharks and all the  other salt water fish?
57 posted on 10/25/2006 4:42:49 PM PDT by grjr21
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To: blam

Every ten years or so scientists comes up with a new "Final Answer" on a variety of topics -- this being one of them.

Makes it kinda hard to take them very seriously.


58 posted on 10/25/2006 4:43:52 PM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: qam1
impact scientist

There aren't enough impact scientists to analyze all the satellite remote sensing data. It would take a lot of supercomputer processor time, but an inventory of craters could be developed. As it is they have gone from zero to something like 500 impact craters in the past century. Seems like each discovery takes some kind of inspiration by a geologist familiar with the locality. There could be a systematic approach applied to the entire massive data record or much of it.

59 posted on 10/25/2006 4:43:55 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: pctech

But what about the dinasours that inhabited the sea?


60 posted on 10/25/2006 4:46:46 PM PDT by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion has been born. Ronald Reagan)
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