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Skeleton Holds Key To Origin Of Man
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 4-3-2007 | Roger Highfield

Posted on 04/02/2007 7:09:39 PM PDT by blam

Skeleton holds key to origin of man

By Roger Highfield, Science Editor
Last Updated: 2:24am BST 03/04/2007

A skeleton of a possible hybrid between modern and more ancient humans has been found in China, which challenges the theory that modern man originated in Africa.

Most experts believe that our ancestors emerged in Africa more than 150,000 years ago and then migrated around the world.

However, in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Prof Erik Trinkaus and colleagues provide details of a skeleton found in 2003 from Tianyuan Cave near Beijing.

The skeleton is 42,000 to 38,500 years old, making it the oldest modern human skeleton from eastern Eurasia, and one of the oldest modern humans from the region.

Most of its features match those of modern man, though some are more like late archaic humans, including the Neanderthals. The authors conclude that, as our ancestors spread, they interbred with local, more ancient, types of human.

The researchers say it is unlikely that a simple spread of modern humans occurred east of Africa, especially because slightly younger skeletons have been found in eastern Eurasia with similar features.

"The partial skeleton from Tianyuan is an important find, since there is a dearth of material from east Asia to document how modern humans became established there," said Prof Chris Stringer of the Natural History Museum.

"Radiocarbon dates place the find close in age to the earliest Homo sapiens fossils so far discovered in Europe, Lebanon, Malaysia and Australia.

"Outside of Africa, only the early modern finds from Skhul and Qafzeh [in Israel], and possibly Liujiang from southern China, are of much greater antiquity."


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ancient; godsgravesglyphs; human; origins; prehistory; skeleton; tianyuancave

1 posted on 04/02/2007 7:09:42 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Making this the world’s first skeleton key.


2 posted on 04/02/2007 7:13:07 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter ( Who is the Democrat's George Galloway?)
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To: SunkenCiv
GGG Ping.

Paging professor Milford Wolpoff.

Race And Human Evolution

Editorial Reviews

There are two widely held scientific theories concerning the origin of the human species. One posits a single cradle, generally thought to be in Africa, in which Homo sapiens originated.
This dominant theory is assisted by its charismatic spokesmodel Eve, a fictitious personification of a DNA strain that some scientists argue indicates a unique source for the Earth's human population. The other, decidedly less popular theory is known as multiregionalism.
Multiregionalists argue that populations may have originated in Africa, but these populations migrated to distant regions where the human species developed and took on different characteristics, known to scientists as biological diversity but more conventionally referred to as different races.
This divide is obviously controversial, and it is not always the steady eye of science that influences which model is deemed correct (or at least politically correct).
After all, one model promises a scientific verification of our common humanity, the other, interpreted too loosely, could result in a scientific rationale that hardens concepts of racial difference.

3 posted on 04/02/2007 7:14:05 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
The Missing Link?


4 posted on 04/02/2007 7:35:02 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: blam

You knoooow what I like.


5 posted on 04/02/2007 7:45:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, April 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam
Some experts think people today are the result of interbreeding between the later emigrating humans and the older inhabitants they encountered.

It is interesting that people that lived 25,000 years ago in a rock shelter near my home in Thailand had somewhat different tools than the first inhabitants of Australia. The Negritos, Andaman Islanders and Australians are all quite different than the people that have lived for considerable time right next door both in South Asia (Dravidian) and Southeast Asia. It is too bad that abuses of science of the beginning of the last century and before have poisoned the well of speculation.

6 posted on 04/02/2007 7:51:07 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: blam

YEC INTREP


7 posted on 04/02/2007 7:51:57 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: JimSEA
It is too bad that abuses of science of the beginning of the last century and before have poisoned the well of speculation.

Indeed. But with DNA analysis we have a non-subjective tool for determining descent (as opposed to the influence of climate and environment).

8 posted on 04/02/2007 8:16:18 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: SunkenCiv
"You knoooow what I like."

The Big Bopper?

9 posted on 04/02/2007 8:25:47 PM PDT by blam
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To: JimSEA

River valley civilizations emerged in different parts of the world at about the same times but without any real evidence of commmerce.


10 posted on 04/02/2007 8:26:33 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

Or the first skeleton in the closet...


11 posted on 04/02/2007 8:29:33 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel ("...Mindless pack of trained Maoist circus seals."-www.iowahwk.typepad.com)
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To: blam

It’s amazing. New discoveries knock down one theory after another but the replacement theory is always posited as rock-solid proven fact. Often in error never in doubt.


12 posted on 04/02/2007 8:43:25 PM PDT by hometoroost (TSA = Thousands Standing Around)
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To: hometoroost
It’s amazing. New discoveries knock down one theory after another but the replacement theory is always posited as rock-solid proven fact. Often in error never in doubt.

If that is what you think, perhaps you need to study some evolution. Fossils that are excavated provide data points. The arrangements and interrelationships of those data points and millions of other related data points are provided by theories.

For the point of this article, it is not one theory vs. the other: it is two different wrinkles within the same overall theory. Either wrinkle, and the overall theory itself, fail to support both a young earth and creation at 4004 BC or thereabouts.

13 posted on 04/02/2007 8:55:09 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: SunkenCiv
European Skull's Evolving Story (Neanderthal/Modern Hybrid?)
14 posted on 04/02/2007 9:09:00 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Yeah, but the Chinese are always fabricating data and evidence to show that humankind arose from China.

I don't trust them at all.

15 posted on 04/02/2007 9:15:07 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (There's an open road from the cradle to the tomb.)
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To: blam

“Most experts believe that our ancestors emerged in Africa more than 150,000 years ago and then migrated around the world.”

It’s wonderful not to be an expert. There is no proof that man originated in Africa.

The Gobi desert is vast and inhospitable. Therefore, it is not researched.

Antartica is vast and inhospitable. Therefore, it is not researched.

Pseudo-scientists go where the going is easy and their theories are based on their easy going.


16 posted on 04/02/2007 9:23:59 PM PDT by Prost1 (Fair and Unbiased as always!)
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To: Coyoteman
Annual Review of Anthropology
Vol. 34: 207-30 (Volume publication date October 2005)
(doi:10.1146/annurev.anthro.34.030905.154913)

First published online as a Review in Advance on June 14, 2005

EARLY MODERN HUMANS

Erik Trinkaus­
Department of Anthropology, Washington University, St. Louis, Missouri 63130; email: trinkaus@wustl.edu

Perceptions of the emergence and spread of modern humans have changed recently through the reanalysis of fossils, an improved geochronological framework, and the discovery of a few specimens.
Early modern humans in various portions of the Old World exhibit complex and varying mosaics of archaic, modern, and regional morphological characteristics. On the basis of this pattern, in conjunction with the emerging chronology of the earliest modern humans, the paleontological data indicate an assimilation model for modern human origins, in which the earliest modern humans emerged in eastern Africa, dispersed briefly into southwestern Asia, and then subsequently spread into the remainder of Africa and southern Asia, eventually into higher latitude Eurasia.
The earliest modern humans outside of the core area of eastern Africa can be understood only if a variable degree of admixture with regional groups of late archaic humans occurred. Current and expected fossil and molecular data are unlikely to illuminate the degree of assimilation that took place in most regions of the Old World.
However, the current chronological and phylogenetic framework provides the basis for ongoing investigation of the nature of this Late Pleistocene transitional period.

17 posted on 04/02/2007 9:29:08 PM PDT by blam
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To: Prost1
Pseudo-scientists go where the going is easy and their theories are based on their easy going.

But DNA goes wherever man goes. Here is one theory of how it happened: Journey of Mankind.

18 posted on 04/02/2007 9:30:07 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: blam
The earliest modern humans outside of the core area of eastern Africa can be understood only if a variable degree of admixture with regional groups of late archaic humans occurred.

The multiregional idea is what I learned in grad school, many years ago. I have been partial to it ever since.

19 posted on 04/02/2007 9:32:42 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman

Yes dna does go whereever people go...
Amazing.

Now, about the dating factor. Uh huh, they are dating only the things they have found since they can’t date what they haven’t found and the sum total of their finds is insufficient for any plausable conclusions.

That’s a fact.


20 posted on 04/02/2007 9:39:08 PM PDT by Prost1 (Fair and Unbiased as always!)
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To: Prost1
Now, about the dating factor. Uh huh, they are dating only the things they have found since they can’t date what they haven’t found and the sum total of their finds is insufficient for any plausable conclusions.

That’s a fact.

Here are some facts on dating. Check out these sources and get back to me:


ReligiousTolerance.org Carbon-14 Dating (C-14): Beliefs of New-Earth Creationists

Radiometric Dating: A Christian Perspective by Dr. Roger C. Wiens.

This site, BiblicalChronologist.org has a series of good articles on radiocarbon dating.

Tree Ring and C14 Dating

Radiocarbon WEB-info Radiocarbon Laboratory, University of Waikato, New Zealand.

Radiocarbon -- full text of issues, 1959-2003.


21 posted on 04/02/2007 9:41:53 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman
"The multiregional idea is what I learned in grad school, many years ago. I have been partial to it ever since."

I didn't study any of this in school but, I'm partial to it also. After all the reading I do, it just seems the most logical explanation.
You must know that DNA studies does not support this 'take' on things though.

I thought Mungo Man was the big break in the case until the date proved to be much earlier than originally thought.

Fossil Challenge To Out Of Africa Theory (Mungo Man)

22 posted on 04/02/2007 9:45:53 PM PDT by blam
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To: Coyoteman

I am familiar with most of this stuff.

I do not know or understand your point.

My statement stands. The earth has changed and man can only look where man has access.


23 posted on 04/02/2007 9:47:31 PM PDT by Prost1 (Fair and Unbiased as always!)
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To: hometoroost
You notice that too. In the past I called it the evo magic 8 ball.
24 posted on 04/02/2007 10:05:14 PM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: blam
[.. Skeleton Holds Key To Origin Of Man ..]

No it don't.. its a Yarn, fiction, a story....

25 posted on 04/02/2007 10:07:31 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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Star Trek Inspirational Posters

26 posted on 04/02/2007 10:13:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, April 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Race and Human Evolution: A Fatal Attraction Race and Human Evolution:
A Fatal Attraction

by Milford Wolpoff
and Rachel Caspari
hardcover


27 posted on 04/02/2007 10:14:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, April 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: JimSEA

Given the way that humans like to marry those like them, any inbreeding would be limited to, say. captives. So did the human race begin with slavery?


28 posted on 04/02/2007 10:14:50 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: blam; FairOpinion; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; 49th; ...
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29 posted on 04/02/2007 10:15:00 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, April 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Prost1

And they are unlikely ever to find it. It is like a crossword puzzle of ten million pieces and we have but a few thousand of them. A few bones here, a few bones there. Even if we assume that evolution took place, it is quite possible that we shall never trace it, at least on the ground. But could not the differences be simply from the splitting of groups and genetic isolation?


30 posted on 04/02/2007 10:21:41 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: hometoroost
It’s amazing. New discoveries knock down one theory after another but the replacement theory is always posited as rock-solid proven fact. Often in error never in doubt.

Thank you. Isn't that the truth.

31 posted on 04/02/2007 10:27:37 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe (Ah don't feeeeel no ways taihrd.)
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To: RobbyS
I am an optimist. I believe that the origins will be discovered.

Zecharia Sitchin has done a lot of work on translating ancient texts. Not that he is 100% accurate, but clearly, he demonstrates an approach that should be considered.

http://www.sitchin.com/

Then we can look to Immanuel Velikovski...whose work preceded Sitchin’s.
http://www.varchive.org/

Bottom line. Evolution fails. We, today, can manipulate DNA!
And DNA was manipulated in the past.

That is a FACT which cannot be denied.

32 posted on 04/02/2007 10:35:22 PM PDT by Prost1 (Fair and Unbiased as always!)
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To: blam

What came first, the skeleton or the man?


33 posted on 04/02/2007 10:50:08 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (Support your local EOD Detachment)
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To: U S Army EOD

http://hubblesite.org/

Go figure.


34 posted on 04/02/2007 11:06:47 PM PDT by Prost1 (Fair and Unbiased as always!)
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To: blam
"Most of its features match those of modern man, though some are more like late archaic humans, including the Neanderthals. The authors conclude that, as our ancestors spread, they interbred with local, more ancient, types of human."

I can hear the excuses now it was dark it was late I had a few to many to drink and we all know they look better in the dark and close to closing time!

Thank God some things never change cause the human kind would of died out long ago!

35 posted on 04/02/2007 11:45:33 PM PDT by John 6.66=Mark of the Beast? ("If God is your Father then I am your Brother" Larry Norman)
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To: Coyoteman
Doc, I see you're wasting your time again.
I'm surprised your efforts haven't resulted in punishment yet.
36 posted on 04/03/2007 2:00:31 AM PDT by ASA Vet (The WOT should have been over on 11/5/1979.)
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To: Cogadh na Sith
Neither do I. There is also no evidence any Pleistocene era peoples from China have descendants. Unless there is a new find that fills the couple of thousand year gap in the archaeological record in China.
37 posted on 04/03/2007 5:25:23 AM PDT by Varda
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To: gov_bean_ counter

“Making this the world’s first skeleton key.”

No, this is only a skeleton of a theory with no meat on its bones.

I think the anthropologists will have to have another skull session before they can get to the marrow.


38 posted on 04/03/2007 6:58:25 AM PDT by wildbill
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To: wildbill
I think the anthropologists will have to have another skull session before they can get to the marrow.

Good humerus post, but I think you're ribbin' us. But go ahead, talus all about it.

We're too busy for that skull session today but maybe we can to that on the marrow. These things need tibia scheduled, you know. How we fit everything into our busy schedules ulna ever know.

39 posted on 04/03/2007 8:34:04 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: blam

Does the Skeleton resemble Ted Kennedy?


40 posted on 04/03/2007 9:11:23 AM PDT by Sam Ketcham (Amnesty means vote dilution, & increased taxes to bring us down to the world poverty level.)
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To: Coyoteman
My point is not to argue against evolution it's just to say that scientists often present their theories as they they saw it happen.

Paleontologists can each present completely divergent theories of how the Tyranosaurus behaved as if they had Rex family home videos. Neither of them will ever state "I think" or "We believe" its always Rex was this and Rex was that.

Evolution still needs to be studied as a theory because all you have a dots and not the complete picture. New dots change the picture and most of the folks I watch talk about evolution talk like they have the whole picture.

I don't dismiss evolution but I think people should choose their words more carefully and talk less in absolutes.

41 posted on 04/03/2007 11:20:50 AM PDT by hometoroost (TSA = Thousands Standing Around)
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To: Coyoteman

I was just pulling your leg.


42 posted on 04/03/2007 2:28:02 PM PDT by wildbill
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To: wildbill
I was just pulling your leg.

Well, you're just a heel! I toed you not to do that.

43 posted on 04/03/2007 5:42:54 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman

Well, the back o’ my hand to you! One more bone crack and I’ll knee you in the crotch.


44 posted on 04/04/2007 9:27:49 AM PDT by wildbill
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To: wildbill
Well, the back o’ my hand to you! One more bone crack and I’ll knee you in the crotch.

No more bone puns?

Why, you whippersnapper! Aorta smack you one!

45 posted on 04/04/2007 4:02:35 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman

Make no bones about it, I’m winning. Soft tissues Aorta not count and you are about to see me vent my spleen.

You’re gonna get a knuckle sandwich if you don’t toe the line.

Remember: Dead men talus no tails...er...tales.


46 posted on 04/04/2007 5:14:02 PM PDT by wildbill
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To: wildbill
In your paltry attempt at a rebuttal you have used two puns already used -- that is a poor vessel with which to make your point.

If I were to continue on in a similar vein, I would reuse knee and humerus, but no! I'm artery enough to fight back with something new! Try to capillary that!

47 posted on 04/04/2007 5:26:02 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman

I shall fight tooth and nail like any good clean liver, lest thigh work, written in medial cuniform, earn thee the title, Maxilla, King of the Puns.


48 posted on 04/04/2007 8:15:06 PM PDT by wildbill
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