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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

We've got some real challenges facing us. FR was established to fight against government corruption, overstepping, and abuse and to fight for a return to the limited constitutional government as envisioned and set forth by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and other founding documents.

One of the biggest cases of government corruption, overstepping and abuse that I know of is its disgraceful headlong slide into a socialist hell. Our founders never intended for abortion to be the law of the land. And they never intended the Supreme Court to be a legislative body. They never intended God or religion to be written out of public life. They never intended government to be used to deny God's existence or for government to be used to force sexual perversions onto our society or into our children's education curriculum. They never intend for government to disarm the people. They never intended for government to set up sanctuary cities for illegals. They never intended government to “rule” over the people and or to take their earnings or private property or to deprive them of their constitutional rights to free speech, free religion, private property, due process, etc. They never intended government to seize the private property of private citizens through draconian asset forfeiture laws or laws allowing government to take private property from lawful owners to give to developers. Or to seize wealth and redistribute it to others. Or to provide government forced health insurance or government forced retirement systems.

All of the above are examples of ever expanding socialism and tyranny brought to us by liberals/liberalism.

FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will. Now if liberalism infiltrates into the Republican party and Republicans start promoting all this socialist garbage, do you think that I or FR will suddenly stop fighting against it? Do you think I'm going to bow down and accept abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, global warming, illegal alien lawbreakers, gun control, asset forfeiture, socialism, tyranny, totalitarianism, etc, etc, etc, just so some fancy New York liberal lawyer can become president from the Republican party?

Do you really expect me to do that?


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To: CharlesWayneCT

Enjoy your shake. It’s 80 and sunny outside for the 1st time in months. I’m getting on my bike.


2,521 posted on 04/22/2007 12:54:30 PM PDT by Blackirish
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To: narses

Enough to make you lose your lunch!


2,522 posted on 04/22/2007 12:54:34 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: Luke21

“We are halfway to 5.000 posts gang. Keep up the good brawl.”

Are we having fun yet? LOL!!


2,523 posted on 04/22/2007 12:54:40 PM PDT by dmw (Conservatives do NOT vote for liberals.)
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To: MamaB
What is the use of winning if the Republican is a liberal, too? I will not support Rudy the liberal under any circumstances.

Mama mama mama.

I won't support him either. but if the choice is Rudy versus either the Clinton(s), Gore or sKerry, then I will 'waste' my vote, hold my nose and vote against the democrat.

2,524 posted on 04/22/2007 12:54:45 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: stephenjohnbanker

The witches His Rootyness was preaching too lost all sense of decency years ago. Fried child would be not enough to bother them.


2,525 posted on 04/22/2007 12:56:03 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: DCPatriot; MamaB

That concept has really worked well in Kalifornia, hasn’t it? Sorry, I’d rather be the opposition than complicit in that kind of moral degradation.


2,526 posted on 04/22/2007 12:57:48 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: ohioWfan
I guess you didn't read Buckley in those days, eh? Remember, I was (and still am) a solid Reagan supporter, and I read the things said about him by conservatives in his second term............and fumed. Accuracy is all I ask. I hope that's not too much for the Reagan-was-perfect-and-every-conservative-loved-him revisionists......

I susbscribed to National Review for years & remember nothing of what you described - Buckley 'trashing' Reagan.

I understand you're just shaping facts to suit your argument but it appears the owners patience with such tactics is wearing thin.

2,527 posted on 04/22/2007 12:57:55 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: CharlesWayneCT

I have had that”you will vote for Hillary” crap thrown at me at least a dozen times..........fortunately six of the perps have been banned : )


2,528 posted on 04/22/2007 12:57:58 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: garv
If you, as a conservative, help Giuliani get into the White House, you will, in fact, be responsible for the demise of America.

Perhaps...but if you hold you vote and allow a socialist like Clinton...or a whackjob like Gore...or a whatever the hell Kerry is... to win, then are you any less 'guilty'?

2,529 posted on 04/22/2007 12:58:32 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: ohioWfan
Reagan’s second term was brutal. I still don’t know how we got beat so bad in 1986. Once we lost the senate, the sharks circled in the water.

The Gipper tried to give us Robert Bork, then Douglas Ginzburg, then finally Anthony Kennedy as an SC justice. Kennedy had been a fairly conservative judge until he got to Washington.

Then there was Iran-Contra, which the libs tried to use as justification to impeach the man. But we had absolutely no voice. The libs and the Dems controlled the entire conversation. When they lost, like in 1980, they’d concoct some insane reason for it and whistle on their way, insisting everyone still agreed with them.

I cannot allow this party to return to 1975. There’s not much I can do, but at least I can register my opinion. We just had another 1974 election last fall. We were routed. In 1975, Gerald Ford and a bunch of thumb sucking Rino’s presented us with JP Stevens, as a Scotus nominee, who is an absolute curse and abomination. That’s when the Gipper was doing his radio shows and denouncing everything in sight.

I don’t understand people who won’t fight for a conservative candidate in the primary. To accept such a loathesome choice between Hillary and Giuliani is like choosing between a cold and the flu. I don’t like Rudy, nor do I trust him.

2,530 posted on 04/22/2007 12:58:41 PM PDT by Luke21 (No Rudy. No way.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; Jim Robinson

I was here then, but the big difference is that Steve Forbes was a conservative, not a fraud like Rudy Giuliani. That’s why no one told you to leave. On the other hand, if you had tried to push Olympia Snowe, Lincoln Chaffee or some other RINO as a conservative presidential candidate, you likely would have run into some strong resistance.


2,531 posted on 04/22/2007 12:59:07 PM PDT by TommyDale ("Can debate over four hours with no need to call a doctor!")
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To: Luke21

Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
Posted by Jim Robinson
On 04/21/2007 9:42:25 PM EDT · 2,524 replies · 44,205+ views+++

That is a lot of “lurkers”


2,532 posted on 04/22/2007 12:59:34 PM PDT by tiredoflaundry (The greatest danger to our troops is the Congress of the United States.)
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To: narses

GHouliani is a cheerleader for murder.....


2,533 posted on 04/22/2007 1:01:10 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: skeeter
So are you trying to get me banned because as a staunch Reagan supporter I didn't like what conservatives said about him in his second term?

Interesting tactic.

2,534 posted on 04/22/2007 1:01:19 PM PDT by ohioWfan (PRAY for our President and our troops. NOW more than ever!!.)
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To: ohioWfan
if you hadn’t tried to use Christianity as a weapon, I might have been inclined to answer it.

You read into a simple question what you wanted to read into it. Ask me the same question I asked you and we'll see how long it takes me to answer and what my answer will be. I do not need to think about or ponder the question. I will not obfuscate, as many do here.

Ask me if I'll vote for rudy? Ask me if I'll put all that I've ever been and ever will be or ever believed in in regards to my country, family, rights, privileges, and God, then ask me if I'll vote for rudy against all that?

Ask me?

2,535 posted on 04/22/2007 1:01:24 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

GHouliani - good turn of the phrase!


2,536 posted on 04/22/2007 1:03:21 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Because I would rather leave it to those more direcly concerned - if I were just not forced to pay for them, that’s all I ask for. You see, I am not a collectivist, and thus I am against collectivist coercion, the kind they do in china. Right now it is the decision made by the mothers [mostly], with possible involvement of would-be fathers and sometimes other family members - OK, leave it there. Now, if only they could bear all the charges.


2,537 posted on 04/22/2007 1:03:31 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: Luke21
I am going to work for a solid conservative in the primaries. (I have not yet made a choice).

That's what we ALL need to do. That's all we can do.

2,538 posted on 04/22/2007 1:03:36 PM PDT by ohioWfan (PRAY for our President and our troops. NOW more than ever!!.)
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To: indylindy; flashbunny; Liz

My best guess would be a spike heel from one of Rudy’s dancing shoes.


2,539 posted on 04/22/2007 1:03:48 PM PDT by TommyDale ("Can debate over four hours with no need to call a doctor!")
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To: TommyDale

No one told me Steve Forbes was a conservative. They told me I was some sort of non Christian. I remember that.


2,540 posted on 04/22/2007 1:04:02 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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