Posted on 05/25/2007 4:30:11 PM PDT by drzz
Governor Darrell Flyingman of the Cheyenne and Arapaho Tribes of Oklahoma put things in realistic perspective when he arose to speak. He talked about the thousands of acres of land either ceded or stolen by hook and crook from the people of his nation over the years (in Oklahoma). He said, "I consider this to be a site of a massacre (Washita battlefield, OH) and not a battlefield as it is named and I will do everything within my power to see that the site is renamed as the Washita Massacre rather than Battlefield. Gov. Flyingman said that he felt great sorrow for the friends and family members of the massacre at Virginia Tech, but he was sad the television reporters kept referring to this tragedy as the worst massacre in American history. "The massacre of American Indians at Washita, Sand Creek and Wounded Knee were just as horrible and many more died at each massacre site as what happened at Virginia Tech, but I suppose the fact that it was 'just Indians' being slaughtered meant that it was not a part of American history," he said.
Source : http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tim-giago/honoring-those-who-died-a_b_46519.html
Typical rewriting of history by Native Americans. For those who haven't watched the videos about what really happened at Washita, see the link.
Your history is threatened by the blame-America-first crowd.
“As long as the wind blow...grass grow....and the sky is blue”
Study the unvarnished history. Read the accounts of the day. Different story than you hear in today’s P.C. world.
It’s over and past. Let it lie.
If I go to the back of my great uncle’s bible, brought over on the Godspeed to the Jamestown Settlement in 1607, I can follow my family’s history recorded in the back to about the 1890s. There is one entry in the mid-1700s that reads “John, Betty and 3 daughters murdered by Chickasaw Indians.” That was well over 200 years ago. It’s over done and part of history. My sister is even married to a member of the Creek Nation. People were killed on both sides. It was a bad thing, but it’s over. The only people who want to live in the past are the Mullahs and Clerics of Islam who long for the 7th century.
You mean Washita Battlefield, Okla.
Changing history and historical sites is wrong and always comes with the agenda of a money grab.
Exactly. And it’s worse for Washita : the national site was created in 1993 !
It’s all new. But the Na want to change history in their way.
Well,, I have watch Indians talk on TV about the white man taking over their land,, as they sit on couches in beautiful homes in living rooms full of modern electronics, wearing jeans, shirts and shoes. How far back do we go? Why stop at a hundred years ago,, or two hundred,, why not back to the beginning of recorded history??? I say it is time to now rectify every wrong that can be traced back to the beginning of time, if possible. Western civilization should now step up and begin to trace back to the very fist recorded act of slavery,, the very first recorded offense, and slowly move forward while keeping score! It is time to set right every offense, every theft of land, every act of slavery or wrong of any kind,,, and let the chips fall where they may. Every war should be scrutinized,, whether brought on by Americans against Spain,, or one small Indian tribe against another! Certainly all people, whether Native American,, African American, this American or that American,, every person,, from every western nation,, would be ready to finally make it all right!!
***Hey, Sand Creek is a true massacre.***
You might want to read the book MASSACRES OF THE MOUNTAINS BY DUNN before you say something like that. Fresh white scalps, a blanket fringed with the hair of white women, ect. were all found at Sand Creek.
Ah, yes. The Washita. Custer went into Kansas and found burnt out farms and thanks to a fallen snow followed the tracks of the raiders back to the Washita where he attacked. In the camp there was found articles taken from the burnt out homes of farmers and a white captive boy. When the soldiers tried to save him the “squaw” who had him disimbowelled him with a knife. Such friendly Indians.
“They abducted and murdered two FBI agents in 1970 (to remember the real massacre of Wounded Knee).”
Wasn’t that the incident that Leonard Peltier was convicted for? Also, wasn’t Ward Churchill involved in it as well? It might be my imagination but I think I smell him in this.
I always find it amusing that apologists for the Indians routinely omit from any discussion about the Indian Wars just what happened to white captives who were unfortunate enough to survive an Indian attack. The “Noble Red Man” is a myth, conjured up by Eastern do-gooders who wouldn’t have known an Indian if one had bit them on the ass. A good case in point is James Fenimore Cooper and Henry Wadsworth Longfellow. Their “chivalric warriors” and “dusky maidens of the forest” are laughable when contrasted with the real thing. Indian tribes slaughtered one another with recckless abandon way before the “white man” ever stepped foot on the North American continent. The Indian tribes practiced slavery way before and even after slavery had run its course in America (capturing members of other tribes for torture and slavery was common practice; occasionally, in a spasm of compassion, a captive was adopted into the tribe to replace a member who had died). All one need do is read the accounts of the few white captives wsho survived or who were rescued from their captivity to see that the Noble Red Man was not only a myth, but an insulting one, at that. Sand Creek was bad, no doubt about it. However, I wonder what any average American’s thoughts would be if they came home to find their families, especially their wives and children, butchered in a most heinous fashion. Vengence would be just one of the thoughts that past through their minds, I expect. Let’s face it, though: in today’s environment of political correctness, the myth of the honorable and noble Indian has not only metastasized, but has got to the point where any challenge to it is considered nothing short of a social crime. Indians were brutal, cruel, and blood-thirsty people — from OUR standpoint. But that was their culture, and they knew nothing else. They saw that as the norm. They thought we were evil incarnate for plowing the land, as they saw that as the literal rape and violation of Mother Earth, which they saw as a living, breathing thing that provided them with all they needed in life. That’s why clashes of civilizations are so devestating: There is no common ground.
This is complicated! I am of the opinion everything I’ve ever heard that Custer did was bad, despicable, and often cowardly. Oh, yes, add “arrogant.” However, it sounds like he was at least on the right track here. I’m inclined to say this one is a toss-up, but then again, Custer was there...h’mmm.
Governor Flyingman,
Winners write history. Losers endure it.
Settle for your casino money and call it even.
****They thought we were evil incarnate for plowing the land, as they saw that as the literal rape and violation of Mother Earth, which they saw as a living, breathing thing that provided them with all they needed in life. ****
This may sound strange to some but during the Nez Pierce war one of the tribal shamans agitated for war because the Whites made the ground bring forth more crops than it would naormally.
A case of "Follow the money"?
I detest the term Native Ametican referring to only Indians. Before the Hippy Movement of the 60s they were called Indians, Aboriginal Americans or Native Aborigines. Everyone else born in the USA was a Native American. Some time between the late 1950s and now the Indians hijacked the term Native American and everyone else afraid of being politically incorrect just let them.
“I always find it amusing that apologists for the Indians routinely omit from any discussion about the Indian Wars just what happened to white captives who were unfortunate enough to survive an Indian attack.”
We could always study the memoirs of the POWs released after the battle of the “Little Big Horn”. (sarc)
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