Posted on 12/23/2007 3:29:05 PM PST by LibWhacker
If you're ticketed by Green Bay police, you'll get more than a fine. You'll get fingerprinted, too. It's a new way police are cracking down on crime.
If you're caught speeding or playing your music too loud, or other crimes for which you might receive a citation, Green Bay police officers will ask for your drivers license and your finger. You'll be fingerprinted right there on the spot. The fingerprint appears right next to the amount of the fine.
Police say it's meant to protect you -- in case the person they're citing isn't who they claim to be. But not everyone is sold on that explanation.
"What we've seen happen for the last couple of years [is] increasing use of false or fraudulent identification documents," Captain Greg Urban said.
Police say they want to prevent the identity theft problem that Milwaukee has, where 13 percent of all violators give a false name.
But in Green Bay, where police say they only average about five cases in a year, drivers we talked with think the new policy is extreme.
"That's going too far," Ken Scherer from Oconto said. "You look at the ID, that's what they're there for. Either it's you or it's not. I don't think that's a valid excuse."
"I would feel uncomfortable but I would do it," Carol Pilgrim of Green Bay said.
Citizens do have the right to say no. "They could say no and not have to worry about getting arrested," defense attorney Jackson Main said. "On the other hand, I'm like everybody else. When a police officer tells me to do something, I'm going to do it whether I have the right to say no or not."
That's exactly why many drivers are uneasy about the fine print in this fingerprinting policy.
Police stress that the prints are just to make sure you are who you claim to be and do not go into any kind of database; they simply stay on the ticket for future reference if the identity is challenged.
I've come to the conclusion over the years that this is a universal truism of government claims. governments (all levels) and their agents (all levels) lie as naturally as the planets revolve around the sun.
Meanwhile America's borders are left wide open to millions that are entering unabated.
Law enforcement should secure our borders like they are paid to do, instead of waiting for 30 million illegal aliens to scatter to all points.
Of course now the politicos and law enforcement tell us it's too late, and we just can't deport these millions.
Can you say, "The fix is in".
And if you refuse? Does the cop tell you what will happen?
If the cop says: I’ll arrest you if you don’t give me a fingerprint, that’s threatening and coercion.
Does the cop says “it’s all right, you don’t have to give a fingerprint”
I’d like to know the answers. Seems to me that governments are rushing towards fascism.
try Bank of America. They love illegals.
It's a distinct possibility:
Highway checkpoint asks drivers for blood, saliva
Motorists in Colorado are expressing outrage over a weekend stunt in Gilpin County, about an hour's drive west of Denver, where highway checkpoints were set up so a private organization could ask for samples of blood and saliva.
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He said he and his wife were "detained" for about 15 minutes even after they protested they wanted to get home because of a sleepy child in their car.
“Don’t Print me Bro!”
I thought that Wisconsin required you to pay traffic fines on the spot? Cops have credit card readers in the car and you pay right there or you go to jail. Why would they need your fingerprint if you’ve already paid the fine?
I still have my first one, and it, too states “not for identification purposes”. The new ones, and the ones issued since the 70s do not say that.
The standing army would be the border patrol.
Question: If they cannot stop people from entering illegally, why are they confiscating tens of thousands of dollars from my income for a job they cannot possibly do?
In addition, if they Fedgov is serious about securing our borders, why are few if any employers being prosecuted for hiring literally millions of illegal aliens? And if they are serious about protecting and securing our borders, why has Bush publicly encouraged this invasion while suggesting Americans are lazy?
You say they cannot protect and secure our borders, and the Federal Government tells us it's impossible and not practical to deport these millions...
Question: If 30 million Americans decided to stop paying their taxes because the Federal Government was not doing the job they were paid with tax dollars to do, would the Federal Government tell us it's impossible and impractical to go after 30 million Americans?
bump for publicity
Thanks for the ping. It’s fun to see the jackboots defending crap like this.
Keep in mind, driving on public roadways is a State privilege, not a right. (example: Get DWI - Privilege is suspended)
In the 60's when they first started putting pictures on driver's licenses, was that a government infringement?
Do you think muslim women must show there picture on the license for identification?
Do you think people should positively identified when a traffic law is broken and the violator is stopped?
Seeing the conspiracy theory people here getting upset reminds me of the folks getting mad that people must be identified at voting polls.
Because counterfeiters make DL's and sell them fugitives, illegal aliens, ID theft crooks etc... its a step up in technology to combat them. People dont get upset with increases in technology unless police officers are using them to fight crime for some reason. You should be glad, it will get a little more ID theft crooks, fugitives and illegal aliens off the road.
Actually, yours gets my vote.
Agree.
It is not a problem associated with liberty.
That would be a great place to store them until they can make the mental adjustment to peace officer, however.
That is an outright lie.
In the 60's when they first started putting pictures on driver's licenses, was that a government infringement?
Yes.
You should be glad, it will get a little more ID theft crooks, fugitives and illegal aliens off the road.
No it won't. It will just generate a lot more revenue and condition people to put up with more and more of this crap.
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