Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Obama's Born-Alive Problem
Townhall.com ^ | August 22, 2008 | Kathleen Parker

Posted on 08/21/2008 10:10:54 PM PDT by Kaslin

Abortion is back with, dare we say it, biblical vengeance.

Republicans recently have been focused on Barack Obama's opposition several years ago to "born alive" legislation in Illinois that mirrored similar federal legislation aimed at granting personhood to a fetus/baby that was alive after removal from its mother's body, either by abortion or premature birth.

In the past few weeks, Obama has been accused of everything from favoring infanticide to lying about his vote, to inventing a cover-up, to being a baby-killing extremist.

Politics is no place for the squeamish.

What is more likely true is that Obama is studiously cautious, too smart by half, and ambivalent to a fault. Suddenly, the man whose campaign seemed helium-propelled is being pulled back down to Earth by the force of his own vagueness. Abortion, of all things, has become his kryptonite.

The long history of the Illinois born-alive bill is, well, long. Sixteen versions of the legislation came and went during the period under scrutiny and finally passed after Obama left for Washington. That history is also complicated and not as straightforward as is being advanced by Obama's and abortion's common foes.

It is probably fair to say that Obama does not favor infanticide, though his position on the Illinois bill was extreme even by pro-choice standards. But Obama's current problem isn't really about his position on abortion. It is about his central weakness as a presidential candidate: He overthinks and ends up seeming not to know what he thinks.

He can't seem to give a straight answer.

To briefly recap: Obama's initial opposition to the born-alive legislation was a concern that such a law would undermine Roe v. Wade. Based on his comments at the time, he apparently reasoned that granting personhood to an aborted fetus, albeit one with a heartbeat, was a subterfuge tactic aimed at granting personhood to a fetus.

Not without cause did he reach that conclusion. Most observers of the abortion debate understand that the legislation was fueled in part by hopes that personhood eventually might find its way back inside the birth canal. This may have been a tactic, but so it goes.

It has always seemed to me perfectly appropriate that we find terminating human life troublesome. Although settled as the law of the land, abortion at any point should be an unsettling proposition. The fact that abortion refuses to recuse itself from present politics merely confirms that many Americans are not ready to be gods.

Obama, perhaps, excluded. When asked to explain his position as a state legislator, Obama said he would have voted for the law had it included a neutrality clause -- similar to one added to the federal law -- affirming that the bill would not impact Roe v. Wade.

But the Illinois legislation in final form did include such a neutrality clause, prompting charges that Obama deliberately lied. Or did he merely misremember, as often happens in politics?

What did Obama mean and when did he mean it?

Alas, the more he tries to explain his position, the more muddled the picture becomes and the more confused voters are. The most revealing answer may have come when pastor Rick Warren asked the Illinois senator when a baby gets human rights.

"Well, uh, you know, I think that whether you're looking at it from a theological perspective or, uh, a scientific perspective, uh, answering that question with specificity, uh, you know, is, is, uh, above my pay grade."

Well, uh, not really.

Yes, Warren's question was complicated, especially if you're a politician afraid of saying the wrong thing. But the answer is really pretty simple. It's whatever one thinks. It is not above anyone's pay grade to be honest.

Instead, Obama punted.

Americans are accustomed to differing views on abortion and will tolerate a flip-flop now and then. But a politician who finesses or fudges out of an instinct to please will be viewed as either spineless or insecure or both -- none of which inspires confidence.

The result of such exquisite ambivalence isn't a higher level of discourse, but a lower level of trust, as recent surveys reflect. A new Reuters/Zogby poll shows McCain running five points ahead of Obama nationwide. Other polls show McCain pulling even.

Obama's born-alive problem ultimately could prove fatal to the man who thought too hard and lost his sense.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; abortion; electionpresident; elections; infanticide; obama; prolife

1 posted on 08/21/2008 10:10:54 PM PDT by Kaslin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Kaslin
No Catholic or Christian (real ones that is) will vote for Obama because of this issue. "Thou shalt not kill."

Obama's Born-Alive Problem
William A. Donohue: Catholic Left Hangs Itself (5/22/08) [Abortion]
"Until they have reformed their lives" ( No Holy Communion for pro-abortion Catholics!)
African American Pro-Life Leader Tells Barack Obama: No We Can't OK Abortion

OBAMA AND INFANTICIDE (Reinhard)
They'd be angry at Obama if he was caught saying the N-word. Supporting Infanticide—Not so much.
In 2002, Barack Obama Supported Infanticide and I've Got the Transcript of His Words
Explosive Audio Found - Obama arguing against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act - Audio
Transcript of Obama's verbal opposition to Born Alive on the IL Senate floor

Explosive Audio Found Obama arguing against BAIPA
Audio Found Obama arguing against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act
Abortion foes using racism to make point at DNC [Randall Terry / Operation Rescue]
Why Obama couldn't answer Warren's baby question
Smoking gun? Papers expose Obama's 'infanticide' vote

EXTRA: Archbishop Burke on Catholics who Support Abortion
Senator Barack Obama Wants You to Pay for Abortions
US Bishops Look at Election
John McCain Will Not Pick Pro-Abortion Running Mate, Rules Out Tom Ridge
Vote for Real Hope and Change [Archbishop Chaput]
Catholics who support abortion should not receive Communion, says Archbishop Burke (again :-)
CNN Again Omits Part of the Story Concerning Obama’s Abortion Votes

Obama Flunks Rick Warren's Abortion Question
Obama and the Black American Family Don’t Jibe [Abortion]
Obama Caught Red-Handed in Abortion Lie
Archbishop Naumann hopes Obama realizes Sebelius is a bad Catholic advisor
Obama Facing Attacks From All Sides Over Abortion Record

OBAMA'S EXTREMISM - HIS ABORTION RECORD IS NO LIE
Barack Obama - Abortion Extremist
Barack Obama lied about babies ‘Born Alive’ vote then smeared Corsi
Babies' Rights and the Definition of Marriage [re: Forum responses by Obama vs. McCain]
Opinion: Doug Kmiec on McCain v. Obama at Saddleback

Obama Cover-up on Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Continues to Unravel...
Life Lies: Barack Obama and Born-Alive
Operation Rescue founder to distribute new flyer: "Is it Immoral to Vote for Obama for President?"
Obama Calls Pro-Lifers Liars
Obama Jun 15: “fathers…at conception” August 16 “answering that question is above my pay grade”

Niece of Martin Luther King Jr. to Lead Prayer Vigil Outside Largest U.S. Abortion Centre
Campaign Admits Obama Lied About Abortion Vote, Media Asleep
Obama “pay grade” comment purposely ignores SCIENTIFIC FACT that LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION
Barack Obama Repeats False Claim Abortions Haven't Declined Under Bush
Obama and Abortion

Obama Says Right to Life Coalition Is Lying About His Record
Barack Obama Says Pro-Life Group Lying About His Pro-Infanticide Votes
Obama's infanticide problem>
Obama and McCain Woo Catholics
Obama's Christian Creds Vs. Abortion and Infanticide

Obama's 10 reasons for supporting infanticide
Mommy Won't Help Dems on Abortion
Abortion Leader Confirms that Democratic Platform is More Pro-Abortion than Ever
Obama More Than An Abortion Radical
Obama’s Abortion Lies (Obama cover-up on born-alive survivors bill)

Life with Obama: Abortion champion
Knighting the Catholic Vote (K of C urging Catholics to vote pro-life)
Linda Chavez: Obama’s Catholic problem
Catholic Voters and 2008
Barack Obama Supports the Murder of Newborn Infants

Obama Lied About Abortion Record
What Barack Obama defended three times: Live Birth Abortion
[OPEN] Supreme K of C Calls for Real "Change" on Abortion and Catholic Revolt against Obama Nation
Obama's Catholic Problem ( Linda Chavez )
Obama’s View on Abortion May Divide Catholics ( "May Divide?" )

Obama loses 26 points among Catholics
Barack Obama's Wife Michelle to Join Hillary Clinton at Pro-Abortion Dinner
OPINION: Senator Obama and the Wall of the Womb
Barack Obama's Pledge to Overturn Every Pro-Life Abortion Law One Year Old
Obama Worse than Clintons on Abortion Says National Right to Life Leader Interview-SCOTUS Critical

Roman Catholics for Obama '08
OBAMA TO CATHOLICS: NO VOUCHERS
How can Catholics for Obama rationalize their support for the pro-choice candidate?
Obama’s director of Catholic Outreach ‘dodges’ opportunity to reach Catholics
Barack Obama Slams John McCain For Opposing Abortion, Activist Judges

Catholics and Obama
COMMENTARY: Quandry for Catholics At Election Time
The Latest Refinement (Obama on Abortion)
CNN Runs Biased News Story Covering Up Barack Obama’s Pro-Abortion Record
Jill Stanek: Obama's biggest lie about supporting infanticide
The Battle for Catholic Voters

New Report Indicates Voters Most Interested in Barack Obama’s Position on Abortion
Deal Hudson: Obama and Infanticide?
Ad asks Obama: ‘If fatherhood begins at conception, when does life begin?’
Embryonic stem-cell research immoral, unnecessary, bishops say
Catholics should not vote for Obama
Catholic Caucus: It is a sin to vote/support Obama/DNC [abortion]

More Catholics leaning towards Democrats, poll reports (really not Catholics)
The Catholic-Obama Problem (Pope Benedict XVI instructs Catholics about pro-abortion candidates)
Obama's Abortion Bombshell: Unrestricted Abortion....
NARAL Catholics Line Up for Obama
Editorial: Disagreeing with Doug Kmiec One More Time
State-Funded Embryo Research "Makes Taxpayers Complicit in Killing", say Bishops

McCain Meets Privately with Fr. Pavone - Says Constitutional Right to Life Applies to Unborn
Faithful Citizenship: “Catholic Vote” is very sought after
Has Obama dissolved his Catholic advisory council?
Commentary: Faithful Citizenship and the Formed Conscience
Catholic League: Where's Obama's 'Catholic Advisory Council'? [Not to be found!]
Right-wing Christians beginning to lean left (Misleading headline)

Catholics Debate Obama Vote
US Bishops Urge Voters to Give Priority to Life [Ecumenical]
Corralling the Catholic vote: Political necessity or pipe dream?
DOUG KMIEC: Catholic Reasons for Hope in the General Election
EDITORIAL: Why This Catholic Dreads the Campaign
The Catholic-Obama Problem (Pope Benedict XVI instructs Catholics about pro-abortion candidates)
Thoughts On ‘Roman Catholics For Obama’

How Obama's Catholics Will Dodge the Infanticide Question
Catholic Pro-Life Leader Feuds With Barack Obama's "Catholic" Backers
McCain and the Pope: McCain cannot win in November without the Catholic vote (Reagan re-visited?)
Catholics Cannot Vote for Pols Who Support Abortion, Except for Morally Grave Reasons: KY Bishops

2 posted on 08/21/2008 10:16:16 PM PDT by Salvation (<a href="http://www.universalis.com/20080821/vespers.htm">)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin
I'll bet Obammie agrees with SCOTUS that illegal aliens and murding terrorists in Gitmo are protected by and have rights under the U.S. Constitution. I wonder why he doesn't believe that an infant outside the womb doesn't have those same rights and protection.

Obama is a baby killer.

3 posted on 08/21/2008 10:16:27 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (A History and Science Minute.- "Climate change" has been going on for millions of years!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin; antonius

4 posted on 08/21/2008 10:16:45 PM PDT by Salvation (<a href="http://www.universalis.com/20080821/vespers.htm">)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin
In the past few weeks,Obama has been accused of everything from favoring infanticide to lying about his vote, to inventing a cover-up, to being a baby-killing extremist.

He was not accused of lying about his vote, he did lie about it and there is undeniable proof that he did. He also must favor infanticide if he is willing to let babies die after they are born alive. As far as a cover up, that is why he lied, he was trying to cover up what he really voted for. It is all on the record, he can't lie his way out of it but he is sure trying with the DBMs help.

5 posted on 08/21/2008 10:18:20 PM PDT by calex59
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

Obama, you’re sick.

You are what Murtha calls a ‘baby killer.’


6 posted on 08/21/2008 10:21:49 PM PDT by Ben Reyes (Am Conservative Republican - 'nuff said.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

Obama Doesn’t Want His Daughters Punished with a Baby

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNzmly28Bmg

CNN on Obama’s Infant Born Alive Act Rejection

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPZCXcTwZPY

Jill Stanek on Obama and Born Alive Infant Protection Act

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIdbYjmbFzo

Obama Cover-up Revealed On Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Bill

http://www.nrlc.org/ObamaBAIPA/ObamaCoverup.html

Explosive Audio Found Obama arguing against BAIPA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypDwNpgIUQc


7 posted on 08/21/2008 10:39:00 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin
Obama's initial opposition to the born-alive legislation was a concern that such a law would undermine Roe v. Wade. Based on his comments at the time, he apparently reasoned that granting personhood to an aborted fetus, albeit one with a heartbeat, was a subterfuge tactic aimed at granting personhood to a fetus.

A "fetus" is medically and legally defined as a human still in the womb.

An "infant" has been delivered out of the womb.

Thus, you can have a 39 week gestation "fetus" still in the womb that may not be born for another week and you can have a 29 week gestation premature "infant" in the Neonatal ICU that has been an "infant" for the past week.

It seems that the liberals want to have it both ways.

They claim that a human inside the womb does not qualify as an "infant" but they also now claim that a human delivered outside the womb remains a "fetus", even outside the womb, when it suits their purposes.

Killing a viable human outside of the womb is, indeed, "infanticide".

8 posted on 08/21/2008 10:51:41 PM PDT by Polybius
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FlingWingFlyer
I wonder why he doesn't believe that an infant outside the womb doesn't have those same rights and protection.

Babies can't intentionally vote for dhimmicrats.

9 posted on 08/21/2008 11:50:37 PM PDT by kromike
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

Obama is against the Born Alive bill. The bill is so aptly named and descriptive that most people grasp its importance immediately and Obama’s opposition to it as negative.


10 posted on 08/22/2008 12:48:15 AM PDT by TheThinker (Capitalism is the natural result of a democratic government.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ben Reyes

OBAMA DOES NOT SAY HE WILL NOT STOP KILLING BABIES WHEN OUT OF THE

WOMB===WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OBAMA AND HITLER?

THEY BOTH MURDER.


11 posted on 08/22/2008 12:56:03 AM PDT by joydoc (ILLEGAL ALIENS HAVE NO RIGHT TO OUR SOCIAL SECURITY MONEY OR ANYTHING IN AMERICA)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Ben Reyes

OBAMA DOES NOT SAY HE WILL NOT STOP KILLING BABIES WHEN OUT OF THE

WOMB===WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OBAMA AND HITLER?

THEY BOTH MURDER.


12 posted on 08/22/2008 12:56:03 AM PDT by joydoc (ILLEGAL ALIENS HAVE NO RIGHT TO OUR SOCIAL SECURITY MONEY OR ANYTHING IN AMERICA)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: kromike

Too bad a brave district attorney didn’t file murder charges against the medical personnel involved in these killings. Get a conviction, and then let the other side argue why it should not stand.

FTM, even filing a charge would require them to play defense. Explain in open court why a breathing baby in the next room from the “mother” is still considered a fetus to be freely killed.


13 posted on 08/22/2008 3:44:41 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (qui)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Sherman Logan

Please, please let him pick our Governor Sebelius as his running mate. That would make the ticket a pure 200% pro-abort. His objection to saving babies born alive and her coddling of Kansas’ partial-birth abortion industry, it will be Christmas at the McCain campaign.


14 posted on 08/22/2008 4:38:49 AM PDT by Kanzan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

A lack of any morality is the simple answer on this man.

His next bill introduced will be for denying Medicare for anyone over the age of 90, with the explananation they have outlived their usefulness and are a “burden” on society.

Even animals care for their young. The man is a monster.


15 posted on 08/22/2008 6:07:39 AM PDT by bestintxas (It's great in Texas)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson