Posted on 11/04/2008 6:34:16 PM PST by jrooney
A special thank you to Noonan, Gerorge Will, Ron Paul, et al. Thank you fools! Thanks for putting us all in danger now from terrorists and the real suppression of conservatism. The Fairness doctrine is coming. Rampant oppression is coming. Taxes being raised is coming. Yes, the ship is now goign to be sinking for good. Obama, Reid and Pelosi will be controlling the direction of this country.
Calm down.
See, I toldja it would be all our fault- And you ain’t seen nothing yet either... The wailing and gnashing of teeth just begins.
And still they will not listen...
I disagree. I’m not a lawyer, but I AM a seasoned—very seasoned—citizen. There were too many variables here to box it all up tightly into a legal analogy.
I’ve served on juries. We had to present the truth about ourselves, we had to be selected, we had to work together to assess facts and to come to an agreement, if possible.
The people at the polls did not have to do these things. I understand that in some cases they didn’t even have to offer ID (it’s hard for ne to believe that, but perhaps it was actually so)
Also, at any trial, the people witnessing the events or any who would be there to report the events of the trial, are not allowed to lobby for the side they choose to support and make it known to the jury or to the judge. Whereas, in this national election, the media—that infamous fourth estate—has clearly “campaigned” for one candidate. They became unpaid campaigners, so to speak. Their bias was obvious to anyone who wanted to acknowledge truth. They were active players from start to finish.
I go back as far as the Dewey days in my voting experience. For me, there has never been an election that was like this one: for lengthy extension of campaign time, for obscene amounts of money raised, for a very complicit, one-sided media, and for pure theatre.
And American voters bought it all.
The polls that I have seen agree with you.
I appreciate your reasoned reply, but I also disagree with you, CC.
Two words for you (using the Biden counting method): O.J. Simpson.
Sure there are times when the failure to convict is the prosecutor’s fault. But no way is that a general rule. Plus imagine if, instead of a carefully selected jury (as Running on Empty pointed out), you had to win your case in the massive and chaotic court of public opinion, with no rules of evidence, no rules of criminal procedure, no limitation on who can be a witness or who can advocate against your case, and so on.
And no one making sure the “jury” is not falling asleep!
Unlike a prosecutor who, for the most part, controls the presentation of his case (the way he develops the facts, the order of witnesses, the building of themes, etc.), a candidate today has ZERO ability to control his message-—and sometimes has little ability to even be heard in the first instance.
In short, I just don’t think your analogy applies.
Under all the circumstances, therefore, the burden (responsibility) on the fact-finder / decision-maker (the voter) today is greater than ever.
The vast majority of voters have some inkling, at least, that you can’t believe everything you hear and read and that there are two sides to every story (at minimum). The vast majority of voters have some inkling that, if they want more information on any subject, they need only research the internet, tune in to a different station, check out talk radio, etc.
I stand by my observation that the American people knew or should have known (as that concept applies in law) that a vote for Obama is a vote for Marxism, and they chose it anyway.
There is NOTHING a “prosecutor” could do to dissuade a people who want a particular “verdict” no matter what from obtaining it no matter what.
Essentially, your argument expects the prosecutor in the O.J. murder trial, not only to prove the elements of the crime, but ALSO to somehow convince a jury that thinks it’s *right* to acquit the guilty that it’s *wrong*.
That is not going to happen. Nor will it happen in the political world.
Sorry for the length of this, but it’s an important discussion we’re having. I’ll close with something I posted elsewhere on this issue:
Americans chose Marxism, not that they understood what they were chosing as such. But they knew very well, or had the opportunity to know, that they were choosing a man committed to redistribution, to using the power to tax to destroy, to accepting domestic terrorism as something that one can be “rehabilitated” from without repentance, a man steeped in Black Liberation Theology, and so on.
Sure, the DBM downplayed this stuff, but it was out there and anyone who wanted to could have pursued it and educated himself on it. But they didn’t. Or they did and they didn’t care. In short, they said, “I’m voting for Obama cuz I need the money.”
How in Hells Bells would anything McCain said or could have said about the issues dissuaded people who were willing to trade freedom for a scrap of bread from their government Master?
McCain and Palin even actually used the words “SOCIALIST” and “REDISTRIBUTION” and “SPREAD THE WEALTH.” Was that taken as a warning? Nope. It was still full speed ahead.
There is not ONE ISSUE or POINT that McCain could have hammered to make people who want socialism stop wanting it.
Therefore, it’s quite the waste of time and breath to claim that Obama’s victory was McCain’s failure. This was simply a victory for Marxism, for political romance, for bread and circuses. That is all.
P.S. The perspective of the “very seasoned” is very welcome and necessary here!
Romney would have alienated the evangelical vote. Dobson is a religious fraud to have wanted him over McCain back in the day. Dobson only came around to McCain in September after Palin was in.
And watch the personal attacks and abuse. I was discussing Christian political issues and the hypocrisy therein. You don’t know me and have no right to comment on anything personal on FR about my character. Thanks.
Your hand-picked-boy McCain lost. Deal with it.
“We nominated our weakest candidate. He had NOTHING to run on.
He also refused to discuss Obama’s doubletalk on NAFTA, his illegal immigration support, his infanticide, and his Reverend Wright/Farrakhan/Khalidi issues.
Don’t blame the Right for the RINO’s faults.”
yep yep yep
“I just talked to three separate friends in Ohio and they all did NOT vote because of Sarah Palin. The more I am reading, the more I am convinced is that Maverick got screwed over by this lady. While I was enamored by her looks, the more I really think about it... she was the weight that ended up bringing down the Straight Talk Express. Now I am really pissed. So don’t go blaming us centrists.”
Bullshite!
“Palin is a lightweight, and probably a net loss. I think picking her was a big mistake by McCain, as it nullified the experience argument against Obama and called McCain’s judgment into question. Same concept as before, where people probably asked themselves, ‘well, if this amateur hockey mom Palin could be president, why not Obama?’. I can’t believe anyone thinks she has a chance in 2012. She’s not presidential-level material, period.”
YOU ARE THE LIGHTWEIGHT!
Tell your friends, I HOLD THEM RESPONSIBLE FOR LOSING TO OBAMA. And yes a blame idiots like your friends for the Obama victory.
The GOP NOMINATED John McCain.
The GOP lost.
Cause. Effect.
BTTT
I think it’s safe to hate McCain again.
The numbers speak for themselves.
Got any numbers?
What you said, Mr. Know It All.
That the GOP/RNC ran an extremely flawed candidate is scarcely my fault. Juan lost me irrevocably when he "suspended his campaign" (whatever that means) to return to Washington to vote FOR the bailout. Also, I was singularly unimpressed with the pick of Gov. Palin. Doubtless, she is a fine person, but she does absolutely nothing for me. Sorry, but I just didn't see her as potentially presidential.
Go ahead, blame me. I voted 3rd party for President. The McMaverick showed me time and again that he did not want my vote, so I simply obliged him.
FWIW, I did join the less 40% of Michigan voters in a futile attempt to elect Jack Hoogendyke to the US Senate. He was an excellent candidate, and I thought he did quite well in the debates he had with Sen. Levin. I hope that he will continue in Michigan politics.
We must cleanse the Republican Party of any moderates. We don’t need them, and we don’t like them either.
Absolute nonsense.
McCain was floundering and she was the only thing that gave his ticket any life at all. Many on the right would have stayed home rather than voting for the RINO.
Without her it would have been far worse.
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