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Unveiled! Hawaii's 1961 long-form birth certificates
WND ^ | 7/28/09 | Jerome Corsi

Posted on 07/28/2009 7:34:23 PM PDT by pissant

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To: WVNan
The two are Certificates and the one is a Certification,

They're all certificates of live birth. Read the tops. Only the foreign born certifications are void of facts, because they don't have verifiable facts. Those born the same day have long forms, all with verifiable information included.

Please read the description of a foreign born certificate of birth in post #68, and look at the birth certificate Oboma himself is trying to pass off as his original.

101 posted on 07/28/2009 8:57:06 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: concerned about politics

Where does this information come from?


102 posted on 07/28/2009 8:57:31 PM PDT by Albertafriend
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To: BP2

This explains why the certificate number was blacked out on the COLB that was posted on the internet; the number on the form is out of order.


103 posted on 07/28/2009 8:59:38 PM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: PennsylvaniaMom

I haven’t felt this tingly since our Dan Rather days!


104 posted on 07/28/2009 9:00:41 PM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: Jedidah
Will you please post a source for this?

Yep

Check the URL for verification.(http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0020_0005.htm)

105 posted on 07/28/2009 9:00:54 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Arizona Carolyn; RummyChick
Re: four digit year (YYYY) on 20th century documents

I meant to refer to automated documents only, not hand-prepared documents. By automated I mean documents that likely started out as 80-col cards files or 80-column card-image tape/disk files.

It is common to change field formats as hardware, time, and money permitted or need dictated. Perhaps Hawaii actually did modify the registration number by expanding YY to YYYY during Y2K corrections. They'd have to if applications needed to sort on year -- though utility sorts could recognize 19YY and 20YY in YY format, IBM MVS for example.

So a Hawaiian government computer generated COLB could maybe have the YYYY format in the registration number.

Boy! if only President Obama would deign to do as us little-people American citizens do millions of times almost daily.. release ^%&## long form b.c.

All we are saying
is give release a chance.

106 posted on 07/28/2009 9:01:54 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: BP2

Something that I just noticed about Obama’s COLB is that the race of Obama’s father is listed as African. I don’t think the term African would be used for as a racial designation, especially in 1961. The term that would most likely be used would be Negro (sorry, I know that is a derogatory term nowadays but in 1961 that was the polite name for a black person.)

African wouldn’t be used for race because there are white people who are from Africa. Like Teresa Kerry.

But a person, especially a young person who is ignorant of history, who is used to the politically correct term, “African-American” might put down African for race on a forgery of Obama’s COLB.


107 posted on 07/28/2009 9:02:11 PM PDT by Ticonderoga34 (Free Obama's Birth Certificate!)
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To: Albertafriend
Where does this information come from?

See #105.

108 posted on 07/28/2009 9:04:08 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: hoosiermama
On one of the earlier threads today there was a discussion on why Obama’s number was after and why he had a zero in front of his number.

They widened the number from five to six digits sometime between 1962 and 1970. All the short-form certificates have six-digit numbers. When and if we get to see Zero's long form, its file number will have a two-digit year and a five-digit sequence number, just as do the Nordykes' long forms.

109 posted on 07/28/2009 9:05:37 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: concerned about politics

Just one problem:

Quoting from Post #13:

“The new certificate of birth shall show the true or probable foreign country of birth . . .”

Obama’s COLB lists Honolulu as place of birth.


110 posted on 07/28/2009 9:05:49 PM PDT by Jedidah ("Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana)
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To: wrench
Check the “Date Registered” on the 2 real BCs and Obama’s certification. The BCs show a registered date 3 days after BO’s cert.

11 - 8 = 3

111 posted on 07/28/2009 9:06:40 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: hoosiermama
10641
112 posted on 07/28/2009 9:06:47 PM PDT by Left2Right ("Starve the Beast!")
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To: concerned about politics

Help me with the question I asked in Post #110.


113 posted on 07/28/2009 9:07:20 PM PDT by Jedidah ("Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana)
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To: musicman

FactCheck (yeah, I know...) has this photo that supposedly shows the date and stamped signature on the back of the COLB.

114 posted on 07/28/2009 9:08:22 PM PDT by Jen ("Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve standing army, enslaved press & disarmed populace.")
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To: pissant

This is incredible. Great work.

I am planning on mailing copies of this to every single member of Congress asking where is Obama’s birth certificate?

It is an established fact that we haven’t seen it.


115 posted on 07/28/2009 9:09:00 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: Jedidah
“The new certificate of birth shall show the true or probable foreign country of birth . . .”

Obama’s COLB lists Honolulu as place of birth.

True OR PROBABLE. A foreign infant may not have verifiable documents to prove it's country of orign. They have to "assume."
That's why these certifications are not legally valid for citizenship identification. They don't know for sure where the infant was born.

116 posted on 07/28/2009 9:10:03 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Jen

OK...Thanks!


117 posted on 07/28/2009 9:10:52 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see a REAL C.O.L.B. BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Ticonderoga34
African wouldn’t be used for race because there are white people who are from Africa. Like Teresa Kerry.

We're discussing a hospital clerk here, not an anthropologist.

I suspect they asked BHO, Sr., what he was, and he proudly and imperiously answered "African", wanting to be a cut above those Negro slaves his ancestors rounded up and sold to the Dutch slave traders.

118 posted on 07/28/2009 9:13:16 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: hercuroc; PennsylvaniaMom; penelopesire; Frantzie

We should all send these to O Really and ask him if the BC he looked at looked like the forged one at the top or it looked like the authentic ones produced by the Nordyke twins.


119 posted on 07/28/2009 9:13:41 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: concerned about politics; LucyT; hoosiermama; Polarik; pissant
(4) A request that a new certificate of birth be established.

Yeah, kinda like below ... in this correction for a Hawaiian born in 1978.

Keep in mind that the "Certification of Live Birth" will not reflect important details such as "given name added". Incidentally, the block under 6A BELOW is reflected on Block 23 on the original Hawaiian "Certificate of Live Birth".

NOW ... if a given name can be added five months (AS SHOWN BELOW) after birth, Hawaiian birth certificate law (HRS §338) has MORE than enough loopholes to have allowed Ann Dunham (mom) or a custodian (such as grandmother "Toots") to CHANGE:

-- an adopted name (e.g, from Barry Soetoro back to Barack Obama)
-- Color or race
-- Birthplace ("True or probable country of birth")
-- etc
Evidence for Late Filing or Alteration

120 posted on 07/28/2009 9:15:43 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
Of course, we all know the socilaists and their propaganda wing controlling the national press would never forge anything for political gain, now would they.

On September 8, 2004, Dan Rather cited “exclusive information, including documents” to justify major CBS Evening News and 60 Minutes stories alleging that George W. Bush shirked his duties when he was in the Texas Air National Guard in the 1960s and 1970s. Within a few hours of those documents being posted on CBS News’s Web site, however, typography experts voiced skepticism that the documents had actually originated with their alleged author and Bush’s former commanding officer, the late Lt. Colonel Jerry Killian. As the evidence mounted, Rather stubbornly clung to the idea that his story was bulletproof, and he derided critics as partisans and Internet rumormongers. When he “apologized” on September 20, Rather would not concede that the documents were forgeries, only that he and CBS could “no longer vouch for their authenticity.”

CBS Disregarded Experts, Challenged Laura Bush: ABC’s Brian Ross reported on the September 14 World News Tonight that “two experts hired by CBS News say the network ignored concerns they raised prior to the broadcast about the disputed National Guard records.” But over on CBS, reporter John Roberts wondered why President Bush wasn’t taking those memos seriously: “The President has yet to weigh in on new documents about his National Guard record made public last week by 60 Minutes.” Roberts also chastised First Lady Laura Bush for doubting CBS’s memos were authentic: “Laura Bush offered no evidence to back up her claim, and CBS News continues to stand by its reporting.”

Sticking By His Smear: On September 10, Dan Rather responded to charges the memos he cited as proving Bush’s dereliction were forged, telling his CBS Evening News audience that the memos were genuine and attacking any doubters as partisan rumor-mongers. “Today, on the Internet and elsewhere, some people, including many who are partisan political operatives, concentrated not on the key questions of the overall story, but on the documents that were part of the support of the story,” Rather castigated. But his lame defense ignored key challenges to the documents’ typography and content, and the doubts voiced by the widow and son of the supposed author, the late Lt. Col. Jerry Killian. Instead, Rather chose to repeat his indictment of President Bush’s National Guard service. Rather arrogantly concluded: “If any definitive evidence to the contrary of our story is found, we will report it. So far there is none.” (CyberAlert, September 11, 2004)

121 posted on 07/28/2009 9:15:51 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: keats5
This explains why the certificate number was blacked out on the COLB that was posted on the internet; the number on the form is out of order.

Then why did Obama's people let FactCheck photograph a paper certificate with the number showing?

122 posted on 07/28/2009 9:16:03 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Ticonderoga34

It would be nice to see Glenn Beck and Lou Dobbs at Fox squeeze The Leprechaun over to CNN or back to Inside Edition.

BOR(e) - loud mouth Long Islander like Rosie and Alec Baldwin.

Lou Dobbs is awesome.


123 posted on 07/28/2009 9:16:51 PM PDT by Frantzie (Lou Dobbs - American Hero!)
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To: STARWISE

This is pure unadulterated hubris on ‘FACT CHECK’s’ part!

WHY CAN’T OBAMA JUST RELEASE THE LONG FORM BC SO EVERYONE IN AMERICA CAN VIEW IT? Why are only a few ‘select’ people allowed to see it or know the truth?

I don’t want a ‘sworn’ testimony of one person in the United States! I want Obama to release his records(ALL OF THEM) for every American in this country to view!

Gads..this pisses me off! I can’t believe everyone in America is not steaming mad over this BS!


124 posted on 07/28/2009 9:19:57 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: BP2
I think we should be looking for a "Photostat" copy of the Barack Obama CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH made from the original CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH if he was born in Hawaii.

Just as the two black copies in this post by BP2 are Photostat copies.

125 posted on 07/28/2009 9:20:56 PM PDT by Buddy B (MSgt Retired-USAF - Year: 1972)
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To: Jedidah

Since the COLB lists Honolulu as place of birth, then why is the COLB necessary as a birth certificate? Arn’t COLBs for adopted or foreign born children?


126 posted on 07/28/2009 9:22:43 PM PDT by WVNan ( (Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.: Sun Tzu))
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To: STARWISE

Well, since Factcheck.org and the Annenberg Education Challenge (that Barack Obama and self-described terrorist/communist Bill Ayers both worked for) have the same funding soros, uh, I mean source, you’ll forgive me if I do my own research, I hope.


127 posted on 07/28/2009 9:23:13 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ("I won't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass." Admiral IsorokoYamamoto)
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To: Buddy B
151-61-10637

151-61-10638

151-61-10639

151-61-10640

151-61-10641

Wonder about 151-61-10639 and 151-61-10640 ??

******

10639 and 10640: They are Obama's age, so they or some of their relatives should be alive somewhere. They may even be living in Hawaii.

So, to the numbers above: If you were born in Hawaii around Aug. 4, 1961, the day Obama supposedly was born in Hawaii, please contact us and let us see your Hawaii long form birth certificate. Thanks.

128 posted on 07/28/2009 9:23:22 PM PDT by john mirse
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
That is suspicious.

How so?

You yourself mention Y2K. Obviously, between the long form created in 1961 and the short form issued in 2007, Hawaii modernized their systems.

129 posted on 07/28/2009 9:24:23 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: pissant

Those birth certificates look like mine, and I was born in Mississippi!


130 posted on 07/28/2009 9:26:40 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: freedomconservationist

You don’t know what the heck you’re babbling, n00b! Try again.


131 posted on 07/28/2009 9:29:24 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: WVNan

Not necessarily.


132 posted on 07/28/2009 9:30:37 PM PDT by Jedidah ("Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana)
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To: Frantzie
Dobbs is a slant left Independent who is stuck on BDS. And that's a fault
for viewers who don't want to hear the BS coming from the left.

He's just a vocal trumpet of popular opinion trying to get ratings.
I actually listen to him more than Hannity because Hannity has become
a VOCAL SHRILL like Hillary. Get that Hannity? You're sounding like
HILLARY did..

133 posted on 07/28/2009 9:33:54 PM PDT by MaxMax (Will the real JIM THOMPSON please pick up the white phone)
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To: concerned about politics

Not perfectly ... “The new certificate of birth shall show the true or probable foreign country of birth, and that the certificate is not evidence of United States citizenship for the child for whom it is issued or for the adoptive parents.”


134 posted on 07/28/2009 9:34:03 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: pissant
... the race of the parents and the race of the baby...perchance does Obama's COLB list him as "caucasian"? - what a blow that would be to the first real black President claim to fame......
135 posted on 07/28/2009 9:34:21 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Jedidah

So, for what other reasons would a COLB be issued?


136 posted on 07/28/2009 9:34:23 PM PDT by WVNan ( (Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.: Sun Tzu))
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To: MHGinTN
Not perfectly ... “The new certificate of birth shall show the true or probable foreign country of birth, and that the certificate is not evidence of United States citizenship for the child for whom it is issued or for the adoptive parents.”

Why not perfectly?

137 posted on 07/28/2009 9:37:04 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: WVNan

It is my understanding that a COLB is an abbreviated form of the original birth certificate, regardless of what the original says — late registration, adoption, birth out of Hawaii, etc.


138 posted on 07/28/2009 9:37:41 PM PDT by Jedidah ("Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana)
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To: WVNan

This thread explains the different type of documents loosly called birth certificates created in the state of HI. It explains it better than any one here can in greater detail.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2301706/posts

Also read this primer for a better understanding.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2275574/posts


139 posted on 07/28/2009 9:39:57 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: Jedidah
It is my understanding that a COLB is an abbreviated form of the original birth certificate, regardless of what the original says — late registration, adoption, birth out of Hawaii, etc.

Oboma is claiming the short version IS his original certificate. That makes a difference. That means maybe he wasn't born in that hospital, otherwise the original would have been a long version.

140 posted on 07/28/2009 9:41:38 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: RummyChick; musicman
there were three ways that things were stamped depending on which stamping machine they used, etc.

Didn't he say something about how the three methods were (a) online order, (b) mail order, and (c) phone order (or walk-in), or something like that?

141 posted on 07/28/2009 9:42:32 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: rfp1234

I doubt it. It is most likely the date that the COLB was printed out.


142 posted on 07/28/2009 9:44:48 PM PDT by NathanR
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To: concerned about politics

Yeah, I know.

It’s all just too fishy. He’s hiding something, but who knows what? Race? Paternity? Place of birth?

As I posted on another thread, my #1 theory at the moment is that the The Dunhams sent Ann back to Seattle to have that baby, perhaps to a “home for unwed mothers” across the line in Canada.

That’s why there are no witnesses, no accounts whatsoever of her in Hawaii during the pregnancy. Nor is there any record of her and Obama every being married or living together.

That’s why she was in Seattle, as witnessed by old high school friends, in August ‘61 with the newborn and why she enrolled in school at the U. of Washington that fall.

Travel simply wasn’t as easy then as it is now, and particularly with a newborn.

Birth records are likely either in Washington state or Canada.

Somebody up there should be looking.


143 posted on 07/28/2009 9:46:18 PM PDT by Jedidah ("Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana)
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To: Intolerant in NJ
... the race of the parents and the race of the baby...perchance does Obama's COLB list him as "caucasian"? - what a blow that would be to the first real black President claim to fame.....

Corsi is a loon!

Where does the long form list the race of the baby? Why do you need the race of the baby when you have the races of the parents? What's the doctor to do when the kid pops out? Hold up a reflected light meter and say, "Nurse, I think you'd better put this one down as white."?

144 posted on 07/28/2009 9:47:37 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Jedidah

That is what I am trying to understand. For what reason was a COLB presented in place of a live birth certificate as proof of obama citizenship? Why does one even exist if they are basically a substitute or replacement for the real thing, IF obama was born in Honalulu? No reason except to cover up something as far as I can see.


145 posted on 07/28/2009 9:48:13 PM PDT by WVNan ( (Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.: Sun Tzu))
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To: tc45a

Another n00b with the same story as a previous n00b. Sheesh


146 posted on 07/28/2009 9:48:24 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: hoosiermama

I read all of those threads long ago. This thread is proporting to see something new and I don’t see it.


147 posted on 07/28/2009 9:49:41 PM PDT by WVNan ( (Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.: Sun Tzu))
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To: hoosiermama; LucyT; Polarik; pissant
Are we misreading it? Could the zero in front of BO’s actually be a the letter “O”.

No, that's not an "O". As the population increased on the island due to tourism and the growth of the military bases, Hawaiian officials saw the need to add more digits.

In 1960, 632,772 people lived on the island. By 1990, the population nearly doubled on the islands to 1,108,229. The Certification numbering system adds that extra zero "0" in front of the last set of numbers to ensure a consistent numbering system through the 21st century.

The numbering system has evolved as the population has grown.

For example, in the 1920s when Hawaii was a territory, they did NOT see the need to add the year group in front of the birth certificate #, as this 1927 "Standard Certificate of Birth" shows. In 1920, there was only 255,881 people on the island. The population grew nearly 45 percent to 368,300 by 1930! They saw a need to change the numbering system to meet the growing number of babies being born on the island from the population explosion:
Shirley-Wilkinson-BC-W - death cert http://i349.photobucket.com/albums/q393/colbstuff/2007ondecosta.jpg

148 posted on 07/28/2009 9:51:29 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: Jedidah
Travel simply wasn’t as easy then as it is now, and particularly with a newborn.

Air travel was much more pleasant then than now (unless you have your own Gulfstream, that is).

149 posted on 07/28/2009 9:54:25 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody
Yes, thank you. Hawaii may have made that mod for Y2k.

I discussed that possibility in later replies.

150 posted on 07/28/2009 9:59:04 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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