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Unveiled! Hawaii's 1961 long-form birth certificates
WND ^ | 7/28/09 | Jerome Corsi

Posted on 07/28/2009 7:34:23 PM PDT by pissant

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To: WVNan
The two are Certificates and the one is a Certification,

They're all certificates of live birth. Read the tops. Only the foreign born certifications are void of facts, because they don't have verifiable facts. Those born the same day have long forms, all with verifiable information included.

Please read the description of a foreign born certificate of birth in post #68, and look at the birth certificate Oboma himself is trying to pass off as his original.

101 posted on 07/28/2009 8:57:06 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: concerned about politics

Where does this information come from?


102 posted on 07/28/2009 8:57:31 PM PDT by Albertafriend
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To: BP2

This explains why the certificate number was blacked out on the COLB that was posted on the internet; the number on the form is out of order.


103 posted on 07/28/2009 8:59:38 PM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: PennsylvaniaMom

I haven’t felt this tingly since our Dan Rather days!


104 posted on 07/28/2009 9:00:41 PM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: Jedidah
Will you please post a source for this?

Yep

Check the URL for verification.(http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0020_0005.htm)

105 posted on 07/28/2009 9:00:54 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Arizona Carolyn; RummyChick
Re: four digit year (YYYY) on 20th century documents

I meant to refer to automated documents only, not hand-prepared documents. By automated I mean documents that likely started out as 80-col cards files or 80-column card-image tape/disk files.

It is common to change field formats as hardware, time, and money permitted or need dictated. Perhaps Hawaii actually did modify the registration number by expanding YY to YYYY during Y2K corrections. They'd have to if applications needed to sort on year -- though utility sorts could recognize 19YY and 20YY in YY format, IBM MVS for example.

So a Hawaiian government computer generated COLB could maybe have the YYYY format in the registration number.

Boy! if only President Obama would deign to do as us little-people American citizens do millions of times almost daily.. release ^%&## long form b.c.

All we are saying
is give release a chance.

106 posted on 07/28/2009 9:01:54 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: BP2

Something that I just noticed about Obama’s COLB is that the race of Obama’s father is listed as African. I don’t think the term African would be used for as a racial designation, especially in 1961. The term that would most likely be used would be Negro (sorry, I know that is a derogatory term nowadays but in 1961 that was the polite name for a black person.)

African wouldn’t be used for race because there are white people who are from Africa. Like Teresa Kerry.

But a person, especially a young person who is ignorant of history, who is used to the politically correct term, “African-American” might put down African for race on a forgery of Obama’s COLB.


107 posted on 07/28/2009 9:02:11 PM PDT by Ticonderoga34 (Free Obama's Birth Certificate!)
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To: Albertafriend
Where does this information come from?

See #105.

108 posted on 07/28/2009 9:04:08 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: hoosiermama
On one of the earlier threads today there was a discussion on why Obama’s number was after and why he had a zero in front of his number.

They widened the number from five to six digits sometime between 1962 and 1970. All the short-form certificates have six-digit numbers. When and if we get to see Zero's long form, its file number will have a two-digit year and a five-digit sequence number, just as do the Nordykes' long forms.

109 posted on 07/28/2009 9:05:37 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: concerned about politics

Just one problem:

Quoting from Post #13:

“The new certificate of birth shall show the true or probable foreign country of birth . . .”

Obama’s COLB lists Honolulu as place of birth.


110 posted on 07/28/2009 9:05:49 PM PDT by Jedidah ("Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana)
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To: wrench
Check the “Date Registered” on the 2 real BCs and Obama’s certification. The BCs show a registered date 3 days after BO’s cert.

11 - 8 = 3

111 posted on 07/28/2009 9:06:40 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: hoosiermama
10641
112 posted on 07/28/2009 9:06:47 PM PDT by Left2Right ("Starve the Beast!")
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To: concerned about politics

Help me with the question I asked in Post #110.


113 posted on 07/28/2009 9:07:20 PM PDT by Jedidah ("Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana)
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To: musicman

FactCheck (yeah, I know...) has this photo that supposedly shows the date and stamped signature on the back of the COLB.

114 posted on 07/28/2009 9:08:22 PM PDT by Jen ("Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve standing army, enslaved press & disarmed populace.")
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To: pissant

This is incredible. Great work.

I am planning on mailing copies of this to every single member of Congress asking where is Obama’s birth certificate?

It is an established fact that we haven’t seen it.


115 posted on 07/28/2009 9:09:00 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: Jedidah
“The new certificate of birth shall show the true or probable foreign country of birth . . .”

Obama’s COLB lists Honolulu as place of birth.

True OR PROBABLE. A foreign infant may not have verifiable documents to prove it's country of orign. They have to "assume."
That's why these certifications are not legally valid for citizenship identification. They don't know for sure where the infant was born.

116 posted on 07/28/2009 9:10:03 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Jen

OK...Thanks!


117 posted on 07/28/2009 9:10:52 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see a REAL C.O.L.B. BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Ticonderoga34
African wouldn’t be used for race because there are white people who are from Africa. Like Teresa Kerry.

We're discussing a hospital clerk here, not an anthropologist.

I suspect they asked BHO, Sr., what he was, and he proudly and imperiously answered "African", wanting to be a cut above those Negro slaves his ancestors rounded up and sold to the Dutch slave traders.

118 posted on 07/28/2009 9:13:16 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: hercuroc; PennsylvaniaMom; penelopesire; Frantzie

We should all send these to O Really and ask him if the BC he looked at looked like the forged one at the top or it looked like the authentic ones produced by the Nordyke twins.


119 posted on 07/28/2009 9:13:41 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: concerned about politics; LucyT; hoosiermama; Polarik; pissant
(4) A request that a new certificate of birth be established.

Yeah, kinda like below ... in this correction for a Hawaiian born in 1978.

Keep in mind that the "Certification of Live Birth" will not reflect important details such as "given name added". Incidentally, the block under 6A BELOW is reflected on Block 23 on the original Hawaiian "Certificate of Live Birth".

NOW ... if a given name can be added five months (AS SHOWN BELOW) after birth, Hawaiian birth certificate law (HRS §338) has MORE than enough loopholes to have allowed Ann Dunham (mom) or a custodian (such as grandmother "Toots") to CHANGE:

-- an adopted name (e.g, from Barry Soetoro back to Barack Obama)
-- Color or race
-- Birthplace ("True or probable country of birth")
-- etc
Evidence for Late Filing or Alteration

120 posted on 07/28/2009 9:15:43 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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