Is this really it? (re: possible Obama's Kenyan B.C. - Attny Taitz) Click on the link

orlytaitzesq.com ^ | 8/2/2009 | rxsid

[rxsid]

Attorney Taitz filed a NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION to Expedite authentication, MOTION for Issuance of Letters Rogatory for authenticity of Kenyan birth certificate filed by Plaintiff Alan Keyes PhD.

Barry's Kenyan B.C.??

Special Motion for leave

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/ (site has been the target of hackers, proceed with caution — John)

[hoosiermama]

See 9860

There was nothing that hasn’t been posted on the links here....Look back a little I think I posted a bit of it.... and some has been reposted duplicated in or from other sources.

The Dr was from Mombasa...Is Corsi purposely giving false information to give MR SMITH a safety net?

[Faith]

I found this article by Dr. Ang’Awa the first day that the video was released. You can scroll down for the first page.

http://tropej.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/pdf_extract/12/supp3/7

[hoosiermama]

Yelp remember reading it then. I think we pretty well established who and what the Dr did the first day/night.

[Jedidah]

Out on a really strange limb here:

Just a hypothetical — suppose Stanley Ann needs a certified BC to gain full custody from Hawaii courts in 1964. She doesn’t have one and there was no official one filed wherever the kid was born. So she — or her parents — get in touch with someone who can help.

We need to be looking at connections between the Dunhams and their friends/family working in Australian vital records in 1964.

The B.C. Orly has may well have been manufactured in Australia in 1964.

[Author2]

Because the posted book is a review copy and has only sufficient information for the reviewer to make a best guess opinion about the content.

[Seizethecarp]

Corsi’s claim to rely on denials from Kenya is ludicrous and the other points are weak and an Wiki says the date format is OK for what that's worth! While I still have concerns about the footprint's similarity to Ang’awa’s publication image, my first thought is that Corsi is trying to lower the price that Lucas Smith expects to receive by lowering the credibility of the document. Smith's priority is money, not revealing the truth, it seems to me. By declaring the document a fraud, WND is putting the squeeze on Smith to put up or shut up by submitting the document to WND without the $millions up front.

[hoosiermama]

Save the card with all three footprints to your pictures...I did. They are easy to enlarge and compare that way. The two on the sign have just been flipped from one picture. The second toe is longer than the big toe, and there are many indentures along the foot indicating folds.

OTOH the footprint on MR SMITH’s copy: the second toe is about even or shorter than the others. There is a definite cross behind the toes (that is not in the DRs card and there are fewer indentures on the outside edge.)

[rolling_stone]

Why fake a BC when a real one would have been available from wherever Obie jr was born, Hawaii,Kenya or Timbuktu. For custody Ann would have wanted a Hawaii BC not a Kenya one.

[Author2]

The footprint can easily be explained. It’s a Photocopy of a document. Photocopying will tend to distort or over ink figure/foot prints. The original doc’s image would not be a black and most likely show more of the friction ridges. High quality/resolution photocopiers are not standard fare for hospital.

[Peter Libra]

The connection between 'The Articled Law Clerks Society of Victoria'- E F Lavender- Melbourne University Law Review...

What might that suggest to you?

I will have to do further research on that aspect. In the meantime I tried to identify the original E.F. Lavender. I used Ancestry.com . Now it is pretty much hit and miss without a first name. On Genes Reunited, another subscription based site, I see somebody searching an Elijah Lavender of Victoria, Australia, born 1885. Now when E.F. Lavender offered his services for the "War Census" as a law clerk,(Australian newspaper 1915), he would have been born well before the turn of the last century. In 1961, he could just about have been still active in employment. Unlikely though.

I would presume the G.F. Lavender on the Bomford birth certificate, would be another Lavender. Certainly in the line of bureaucratic employment. Then there is the question of the usual and known mistakes in transcribing things, which I well know. It is a minefield, but to use an old country saying:

Press on regardless. (chuckle).

[rolling_stone]

Mr./Inspector Smith seemed to indicate in prior posts that the video was made some time ago. I would hope he had the sense to wait to put the video up until the BC was in a safe place, wherever that would be in whatever country that would be.

WND does not indicate that what Smith apparently has is a hospital BC not a government BC it is signed by “John Kwame Odongo” “Supervisor of Obstetrics” and Hospital Seal not Registrar and government seal. It would obviously not match the copy of what WND has on their site which looks like it came from a Registry book.

The search should be for John Kwame Odongo as well as another hospital BC from around August 1961. Somebody needs to lay out some coin to get another Kenyan Hospital BC from Mombasa General in summer 1961 including the certificate number and name of the "Supervisor of Obstetrics"

[hoosiermama]

I’ve been looking...John Odongo and John Odinga are both used as a leader of an uprising in the 1980. Are they one and the same?

John Odongo is listed in memorials of Sidney University in Australia....wonder if he was an alumni...connected to the Harvard review....or related to Odinga/BO’s cousin?

Have limited search engines...and STILL on dial up.

[hoosiermama]

Try Edward F. Lavender....I think we found something that would have made him working at the age of late 60s that would be consistant. Military date 1915 ish

[Seizethecarp]

If I was going to forge a Kenyan BC I would look for a doctor in Kenya at the time and I find it suspicious, but not conclusive, that a footprint on an article written by this prominent doctor is very similar (though certainly not identical as you point out) to the footprint in the Smith document. The second toe appears a bit longer in the doctor's image, true, but that toe could easily be moved with editing software intentionally or inadvertently. The rough edges in the Doctor's print seems to be caused by the low resolution of the publication and could have been smoothed out for the Smith document. What still concerns me is the high similarity of the general proportions and features of the images (shape of pads under the toes. Just a concern...not drawing a conclusion without authentication of the actual document. It's up to Smith, now, not WND.

BTW, Corsi’s “debunk” point #8 that baby footprints weren't on Kenyan BC’s in the early 1960’s is refuted by Dr. Ang'awa’s use of such footprints in his publication. Corsi’s claim that Smith's BC doesn't look like their other Kenyan BC’s is easily refuted because Kenya Colony BC’s Kenya outside the coastal strip leased from Zanzibar) wouldn't necessarily look like Mombasa Protectorate of Kenya BC’s. NWD made the same silly claim about Taitz’s 1964 certification compared to 1961 Kenya Colony BC’s. Very sloppy on NWD’s part.

[Peter Libra]

Try Edward F. Lavender.....

Started in on it as I came in from the local park with dog. Weather perfect.

Then there is Yahoo best answers. Giving a Sir Edward F Lavender as the British Consul in Kenya 1961. If this is accurate, it adds one more thing to the certificate.

A veritable maze which defies much speculation so far. There are an absolute raft of Edward F Lavenders on Ancestry. Com. There is even one on the Commonwealth Graves Registry, but when I went to it, the name was not in the detailed index.

One has to try not to be paranoid here. (A few chuckles from me).

[Fred Nerks]

The B.C. Orly has may well have been manufactured in Australia in 1964.

Or by a family friend/relative connected to the Harvard Law Review.

[Fred Nerks]

“PRESS ON REGARDLESS!”

E. J. Lavender. Document from 1990.

http://www.landservices.sa.gov.au/5Publications/Notice_to_Lodging_Parties/_filespre1996/No_069-New_Document_Delivery_System.PDF

Note: Two images:

Heads Up - Multiple COLBS Warning [someone swapped out the Kenya BC AFTER it was posted]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2308435/posts?page=59#59

[hoosiermama]

Can you check the University of Sidney and see if John Odongo is a graduate of the university...1984??? I think was when a grant? was given by friends and family.

[Author2]

Keep in mind that the Smith doc and the Orly doc are two different types of doc’s. Orly’s is a request to the dept of vital stats for a copy and the other is a Hospital copy. And another thing to keep in mind, is one is a government form as the other is a hospital form.

[Fred Nerks]

Which one?

http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Search/Home?lookfor=author:%22Odongo,%20John%22&iknowwhatimean=1

http://kenyayoungvotersalliance.blogspot.com/2007/01/bukes-tribute-for-john-odongo.html