Posted on 11/12/2009 4:55:09 AM PST by Travis McGee
There is a division of the house. On one side are the politically correct in government, the leftist mainstream media, and a raft of Islamist apologists. One and all are tripping over each other in reassuring us the mass murderers such as Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan and suicide-bombers who detonate their explosive vests in crowded marketplaces and even mosques are individual anomalies and Islam is not responsible for what they do.
On the other side are those fed up with the innumerable daily horrific acts throughout the world that are clearly committed under the banner of Islam. In all fairness, there needs to be a distinction. Numerous criminal acts are also committed on a daily basis by non-Muslims. The critical difference is that non-Muslim criminals do not hoist a religious banner to justify their misdeeds, while the Muslims proudly claim that they commit their heinous acts in obedience to the dictates of their religious faith.
Would someone please explain what motivated Nidal Hasan, who at taxpayers' expense was educated from college all the way through medical school and post medical-school training, to turn his deadly weapons against the nation that gave him everything he had?
If Islam had nothing to do with what Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan did, then why:
* did he repeatedly preach the ascendancy of Islam over the U.S. Constitution?
* did he publicly support Islamic suicide-bombing?
* did he proclaim his highest loyalty to Islam?
* was he in contact with violent anti-U.S. Islamists and a virulent Yemeni Imam?
* did he distribute copies of the Quran to people the morning of his bloody attack?
* did he keep screaming "Allahu akbar" as he heartlessly sprayed over a hundred bullets, killing thirteen and injuring some thirty innocent men and women?
Here is the truth, as bitter as it may be: Islam is the culprit. Islam is anything but a religion of peace. Violence is at the very core of Islam. Violence is institutionalized in the Muslims' holy book, the Quran, in many suras: Quran 9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
9:112 "The Believers fight in Allah's cause; they slay and are slain, kill and are killed."
8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."
8:65 "O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding."
9:38 "Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah's Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place."
47:4 "When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam." And the Quran is considered by Muslims to be the word-for-word literal edicts of their god, Allah.
Right from the start, violence served as the engine of Islam under the command and supervision of Muhammad himself. For one, the Prophet's son-in-law cousin, Ali, was titled the Commander of the Faithful for his unsurpassed feats of butchery. With the assistance of one or two of his thugs, Ali beheaded some seven hundred captives, most of them Jews, in only one day. This man, highly esteemed by the prophet of Allah, carried a sword that had its own name -- Zolfaghar. Ali's portrait, holding the menacing sword, adorns the homes and shops throughout Shiite lands. And Ali is revered by the Shiites at the same level as Muhammad.
On the Sunni side, Muhammad's co-revered is Umar, another unabashed killer of untold numbers. And of course, the choice weapon of these champions of the religion of peace was the sword. To this day, a sword adorns the flag of Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of the religion of peace.
And Islam, by the very nature of its doctrine, appeals to man's base nature. It promotes intolerance, hatred, discrimination, and much more: Quran 61:2 "O Muslims, why say one thing and do another? Grievously odious and hateful is it in the sight of Allah that you say that which you do not. Truly Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in a battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure."
In reality, Islam is like a deadly, contagious disease. Once it invades the mind of its victim, it is capable of transforming him to a helpless pawn that has no choice but to execute what he is directed to do.
Of the reported 1.3 billion Muslims in the world, millions are already trapped in the terminal stages of this affliction, while millions of others are rapidly joining them. The people enslaved with the extreme cases of Islamic mental disease are highly infectious. They actively work to transmit the disease to others, while they themselves engage in horrific acts of mayhem and violence to demonstrate their unconditional obedience to the dictates of the Islamic cult.
The savagery and variety of the actions of these Islamic captives are seen daily around the globe. Many of these acts, committed under the banner of Islam, have become so commonplace that the world has come to view them as part and parcel of a troubled humanity. And, from time to time, the world is shocked into a passing and momentary realization of the evil deeds these Islamist robots commit. However, people quickly get over it, and they do nothing to seriously address this affliction.
The recent and dastardly mass murder at Fort Hood, committed by Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, will be forgotten by the public before long. Life will continue on its deadly course, pushed along in a variety of ways by Islamists, the agents of death. Only the families who lost their loved ones and those who survived the bullets have to live the rest of their lives with incapacitating injuries. They likely won't be able to put the episode behind them.
The mass-murderer Hasan did not riddle people with bullets under the pressure of momentary insanity. The insanity -- ironic in a man who was trained to help people with sanity -- was introduced in him from the moment of birth and from the very early years when he prostrated himself five times daily toward Mecca in expression of total submission to the dogma of hate called Islam.
A true Muslim does not and cannot believe in freedom of choice. In the religion of Islam -- "submission" -- everything is up to Allah, as clearly and repeatedly stipulated in the Quran. The raison d'être for the Muslim is unconditional submission to the will and dictates of Allah. Everything that a "good" Muslim does is contingent upon the will and decree of Allah, in which the Muslim is indoctrinated to believe.
Humanity is facing a deeply troubling dilemma. On the one hand is the desire of enlightened people to forge a diverse world into one society ruled by peace and justice, while on the other hand, Islamists are hellbent on imposing their stone-age system on everyone. Tellingly, the Muslims themselves are at one another's throats regarding which of dozens of Islamic sects' dogma should rule.
For now, Islam is busy with what it did from the time of its birth: fighting the non-Muslims, and infighting.
Truth be told, violence is the animating force of Islam. Islam is a religion born through violence, raised by violence, which thrives on violence, and which dies without violence.
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The silent 90% either /a/ are too terrified to speak against the violent 10%, or /b/ they quietly agree with the violent 10%.
So it doesn't matter either way, just as it didn't matter that most Germans in WW2 were just fine "moderate" folk. We had to bomb Germany to rubble to stop the "radical" Germans.
Just as with Germany and Japan our only hope is to defeat the Arabs, cause them to sue for peace, and set the terms. Kill millions if necessary, and it seems to me to be necessary, for that is what they intend to do, kill millions of us! Wake up.
The Legacy of Jihad: Islamic Holy War and the Fate of Non-Muslims (Andrew Bostom)
and
The Suicide of Reason: Radical Islam's Threat to the West (Lee Harris)
These volumes are only two of many recent works on the sad, bloody, murderous history of one of the world's worst mental disorders. Idlam isa disease. you don't negotiate with cancer. You extirpate it with therapies that amount to choice between the lesser of two evils. The survival of our civilization depends upon our recognition of the abomination that is Islam and treating it like the foul disease that that it is.
You are correct - Islam reformed is no longer Islam.
If people want on or off this list, please let me know.
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If people would just take the trouble to study Islam and Mohammed for a few hours, the conclusion is inescapable. The Koran is full of demands for submission. The authoritative teachers of Islam teach that Allah is totally arbitrary and does not allow free will. And Mohammed himself set the example for rape, murder, slave-taking, oath-breaking, pederasty, conquest, cruelty to women, and all the other evils that Islam has performed in the world for more than a thousand years.
The Hebrew Bible has many prophets and the New Testament has the Apostles and others besides Jesus.
But Muhammad is the only person of consequence in the Koran
And all Muslims are supposed to emulate his life which is described by Islam as the most perfect life ever lived and worthy of emulation by all mankind. Is this crazy or what?
The problem with Islam is that it is based on the life of this false prophet
Anyone who has to actually ask this question is to dumb to live. The answer, BTW, is yes, islam(no capital for the cult)promotes violence.
Totally. The Koran is replete with quote after quote promoting violence in the name of Allah and Islam.
Islam is violence..
So do I, and I told my muslim colleague the same thing. While a handful of muslims have made comments about the terrorists "hijacking" their religion, they still haven't spoken out against them and separated themselves from the terrorists. As you pointed out, their silence implies tacit agreement with the terrorists.
I am a trainer and, over the past couple of years have had several muslim students in my class. During the breaks in the course, some of the students have asked me about why America has declared war on muslims?
The phrasing of the question, itself, is most interesting because they are essentially spouting the philosophy of their own "news" outlets, such as al-Jazzera. They cannot grasp the concept that we are there to end oppression and tyranny and FREE their fellow muslims. Because of their own culture, they are suspicious of any act of kindness toward them.
Despite my explanations that we have not and would never declare war on a religion, per se, they walk away still believing that we are indoctrinated to not see what is obvious to them. IOW, they don't grasp the very fundamental concept that they are on American soil, attending training at an American company and, if we were truly at war against Islam, they would have been arrested as soon as they landed and sent to an internment camp.
So, from the standpoint of the PR war, the extremists in the ME have already won. However, the work our military does, particularly in Iraq, building schools, hospitals, re-establishing infrastructure such as water, sewage and electricity as well as roads, goes unnoticed by the Arab MSM.
If we are truly honest, we have to acknowledge that we don't understand the Arab culture (not that I'm sure we want to) and have made some mistakes. But, the end game, IMO, remains the same as it has always been for America - free oppressed people, establish a democratic form of government and, when the country is stable, take our toys and our military and go home. That remains another concept they don't grasp.
I rambled a little far afield from the original question, but I think these are important issues to consider in the overall equation. There is much more than just Islam and the teachings of the Koran going on. Many of the passages I have seen quoted here on FR tend to be ambiguous and can be interpreted in different ways - just like the "predictions" of Nostradamus. We see the words and think one thing, but we lack the context that is brought to those words by the Arab and muslim cultures, themselves.
Finally, there is the history of Islam to consider, as well. Islam and muslims were a predominant force in the Crusades in which they sought world domination and, with 1.5 billion muslims today, it is not hard to believe that we are involved in the start of the second Crusades. So, from the standpoint of history, there is not a good record that supports the whole Islam is the religion of peace nonsense. But, the question must also be asked, were the Crusades fought by muslims seeking world domination by destroying the Catholic church, or was it fought by Arabs who also happened to be muslims?? I'm not sure that the answer to that question is as clear.
Please my response at post #72.
Islam stopped being an exclusively Arab phenomonon very early. Those living in Morocco were Berbers, Persians were not Arab, nor were Indians etc.
Islam is an extremely well constructed death cult, designed to spread like a virus.
L. Ron Hubbard created Scientology at first as a joke or bet among friends. He bet that he could create a new fake religion, a closed system based on mind control that would become self-propogating. He did, and it still is, decades after Hubbard died.
Islam makes Scientology seem like a kindergarten prank. This self-propogating death cult is still going strong after 1400 years. It is spread by violence, and maintained by strict mind control.
For example, that is what the praying publicly 5X a day is about. Group mind control. “Abdul, did you forget to pray?”
"And somebody, like I said yesterday, somebody needs to grab the Muslim world by the shirt collar, backhand it a good one, knock it into the damn corner and say straighten up or we're gonna eradicate you beetles from the face of the Earth. … "
-- Neil Boortz
Honor killings, torture, acid in the face, female genital abuse,murder Christians etc, Doesn’t sound Amish does it?
Sorry, but first thing that comes to mind in response to the question is...does a bear defecate in the woods?
That would be an interesting question to ask them...that is, if America were at war with Islam, and they were muslim then what treatment would they expect in America and if that was in keeping with the facts.
They are not really asking a question, and don't really expect you to have an answer. When they say that, they are intending that the listener disavow personally having any aggressive intentions against Islam.
It is part of jihad: put the non-Muslim on the defensive in any discussion.
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