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Pro-Darwin consensus doesn't rule out intelligent design (published on CNN!!!)
CNN ^ | November 23, 2009 | Stephen Meyer, Ph.D.

Posted on 11/24/2009 6:50:51 PM PST by GodGunsGuts

Pro-Darwin consensus doesn't rule out intelligent design

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(CNN) -- While we officially celebrate the 150th anniversary of the publication of Charles Darwin's "On the Origin of Species" on November 24, celebrations of Darwin's legacy have actually been building in intensity for several years. Darwin is not just an important 19th century scientific thinker. Increasingly, he is a cultural icon.

Darwin is the subject of adulation that teeters on the edge of hero worship, expressed in everything from scholarly seminars and lecture series to best-selling new atheist tracts like those by Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens. The atheists claim that Darwin disproved once and for all the argument for intelligent design from nature.

And that of course is why he remains hugely controversial. A Zogby poll commissioned by the Discovery Institute this year found that 52 percent of Americans agree "the development of life was guided by intelligent design." Those who are not scientists may wonder if they have a right to entertain skepticism about Darwinian theory.

Read a leading Darwin proponent's view that evolution leaves no room for intelligent design theory...

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


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To: Natural Law

No, It’s E-S and his herbs and prayers.


61 posted on 11/24/2009 10:28:56 PM PST by Wacka
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To: count-your-change

Indeed, as per usual, the evos did not address the major points of the article. Their avoidance speaks volumes IMHO.


62 posted on 11/24/2009 10:34:48 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

With that I’m off. cheers!


63 posted on 11/24/2009 10:40:46 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Wpin
I'm not an atheist, but I think I can answer your questions.

In the absence of oxygen, there would have been lots of different ways complex organic compounds could have been created - hot magma, ultraviolet light, lightning, asteroid impacts - and since there was nothing to "eat" those compounds, they accumulated to a sufficient (but still very low) concentration so that the ones with the chemical propensity to replicate could and did. Certain kinds of these, such as nucleic acids,and phospholipids replicated faster and were more successful at it than other forms. This process built on itself until the faster replicators crowded out other compounds that didn't replicate or replicated slowly or more imperfectly.

Eventually, groups of these successfully replicating compounds formed, by chance of course, although some including me, say it was inevitable given the amount of time involved. These groups were even more successful at replicating than the individual compounds. Continue this and pretty soon, after a billion years or so, you have life as we recognize it.

As for your second question, new life can't form now because the existing life is so efficient at using any source of energy, such as complex organic chemicals, that there isn't a sufficient concentration of these organics.

The biggest problem I have with the ID people is that they think too small, concentrating on feathers and eyes, when the the real wonder is in how everything (earth's location, the sun's size, the elemental composition of the earth, the laws of physics, etc) fit together so perfectly as to result in me answering your questions. That's the design part.

64 posted on 11/25/2009 12:45:58 AM PST by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: Wacka
And GGG says that these threads are NOT about religion?

Did you know that everything you do, say and even think is about religion. Everything you do, say and think are either against HIM or for HIM. There is not a thread on FR that is not about "religion". All of creation revolves around The LORD, even you. Everything is relative, relative to HIM.

65 posted on 11/25/2009 1:10:48 AM PST by Bellflower (If you are left DO NOT take the mark of the beast and be damned forever.)
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To: Bellflower

Get a life.


66 posted on 11/25/2009 1:17:01 AM PST by Wacka
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To: Wacka
Get a life.

And what is your life like?

67 posted on 11/25/2009 1:24:42 AM PST by Bellflower (If you are left DO NOT take the mark of the beast and be damned forever.)
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To: Wacka
Get a life.

And what is your life like?

68 posted on 11/25/2009 1:24:42 AM PST by Bellflower (If you are left DO NOT take the mark of the beast and be damned forever.)
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To: Grizzled Bear

lulz..report abuse on that guy


69 posted on 11/25/2009 1:25:40 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (Its almost over. Its always over. Its almost always over.)
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To: metmom

Chemistry works ~ given certain ingredients, at certain temperatures and pressures, you regularly find “self organization”.


70 posted on 11/25/2009 4:24:19 AM PST by muawiyah (Git Out The Way)
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To: boycott

Then how is it that you exist?


71 posted on 11/25/2009 4:25:12 AM PST by muawiyah (Git Out The Way)
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To: The_Reader_David
The "Multiverse" concept doesn't lead to the conclusion you propose for it. In fact, with the "Multiverse" all things are possible, one of which is a Creator God ~ even a pantheon of gods somewhere ~ for an instant.

Once you get a Creator God, that's the end of the discussion.

You will find that the anti-God crowd really doesn't want to pursue further examination of the "Multiverse".

Which raises a question ~ why are you now aligned with the Atheists?

72 posted on 11/25/2009 4:29:53 AM PST by muawiyah (Git Out The Way)
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To: Wpin
Easy answer ~ of course life is being created all the time ~ and then it is eaten by the life already here. That's why we never notice it.

The oceans have BILLIONS of identifiably different viruses ~ where are they coming from?

73 posted on 11/25/2009 4:32:24 AM PST by muawiyah (Git Out The Way)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Still, sex happens, and new beings come into existence constantly as a consequence.


74 posted on 11/25/2009 4:34:17 AM PST by muawiyah (Git Out The Way)
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To: VanShuyten
Thank you for trying to answer, but the question is really...how could organic "compounds" have been created before there was life? Organic by definition is: or⋅gan⋅ic   /ɔrˈgænɪk/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [awr-gan-ik] Show IPA Use organic in a Sentence See web results for organic See images of organic –adjective 1. noting or pertaining to a class of chemical compounds that formerly comprised only those existing in or derived from plants or animals, but that now includes all other compounds of carbon. 2. characteristic of, pertaining to, or derived from living organisms: organic remains found in rocks. 3. of or pertaining to an organ or the organs of an animal, plant, or fungus. So, there could not have been organic compounds before life. So, what is the atheist evolutionist saying in regards to how life began from literally nothing? Nothing living in other words...
75 posted on 11/25/2009 4:34:35 AM PST by Wpin (I do not regret my admiration for W)
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To: Ira_Louvin

Ira, please, that sounds so “CRU” ~ and that’s on a different thread!


76 posted on 11/25/2009 4:38:25 AM PST by muawiyah (Git Out The Way)
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To: muawiyah

Really, so today or last year what new life has been created? I know from where life comes, but am wondering what people who do not understand that God creates life thinks about life creation.

I have yet to hear about a new species of plant or animal being created in my lifetime. So...how come? And, how did the first life get created, if God did not create it? From where did the life come from? Please, no primordial soup fallacy...there was no “soup” before life, there were simply inorganic matter.


77 posted on 11/25/2009 4:39:53 AM PST by Wpin (I do not regret my admiration for W)
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To: Wpin
I haven't heard whether or not your mortgage is paid off, or even if you have a mortgage. That doesn't mean your mortgage doesn't exist, or that you paid it off.

The things we don't hear about are many.

BTW, recent research has revealed the existence of BILLIONS of different viruses in the ocean. Where are they coming from?

78 posted on 11/25/2009 4:43:14 AM PST by muawiyah (Git Out The Way)
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To: celmak; ColdWater

Cold Water knows nothing of it, besides it being a target for his ridicule.


79 posted on 11/25/2009 4:43:44 AM PST by RoadGumby (Ask me about Ducky)
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To: tacticalogic

Did you seriously just ask such an anile question? This forum has such because it was designed that way by its creator.


80 posted on 11/25/2009 4:47:23 AM PST by RoadGumby (Ask me about Ducky)
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