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Megachurch Pastor Asks For Urgent Donations [Demand by MegaMillionaire Rick Warren!]
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34640771/ns/us_news-us_faith/ ^ | December 31, 2009

Posted on 12/31/2009 10:39:20 AM PST by Steelfish

Megachurch Pastor Asks For Urgent Donations

Warren wants $900,000 by Jan. 1, says church facing budget crisis

Dec . 31, 2009 LAKE FOREST, California - Evangelical pastor Rick Warren appealed to parishioners at his California megachurch Wednesday to help fill a $900,000 deficit by the first of the year.

Warren made the appeal in a letter posted on the Saddleback Church Web site. It begins "Dear Saddleback Family, THIS IS AN URGENT LETTER."

"With 10 percent of our church family out of work due to the recession, our expenses in caring for our community in 2009 rose dramatically while our income stagnated," the letter reads.

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: megachurch; pastor; platepassing; purpsoedriven; rickwarren
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1 posted on 12/31/2009 10:39:21 AM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

Rick should get a job. Jerk.


2 posted on 12/31/2009 10:42:23 AM PST by angcat (GOD SAVE US!)
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To: Steelfish

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2418205/posts


3 posted on 12/31/2009 10:42:25 AM PST by TommyDale (Independent - I already left the GOP because they were too liberal)
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To: Steelfish

Didn’t Warren support Obama? Perhaps he needs a refresher course on ‘reaping & sowing’.


4 posted on 12/31/2009 10:42:33 AM PST by Hoodat (For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.)
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To: Steelfish

did he take a pay cut?


5 posted on 12/31/2009 10:42:38 AM PST by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards,com)
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To: Steelfish

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..........


6 posted on 12/31/2009 10:42:42 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: TommyDale

Didn’t see that. Apologies!


7 posted on 12/31/2009 10:43:23 AM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

Warren is an idiot.

Our church saw what was coming and has tighten its belt and in good shape.

Not being aware of the “signs of the times” is not a lack of faith, but stupidity.


8 posted on 12/31/2009 10:43:26 AM PST by Mrs.Z
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To: Steelfish

You kissed Zeros hindquarters...now live with it Warren.


9 posted on 12/31/2009 10:44:49 AM PST by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: Hoodat
As I recall, Warren gave the invocation at the inauguration...that doesn't necessarily mean he is a supporter.

I admit I don't know much about him or his church. But his situation is typical for quite a few charities. As need arises, donations have fallen, and many of these charities are really hurting.

For now, we do have the right to donate or not to donate to charity as we see fit. If socialism really takes hold, look for government to go even further into the charity business, corrupt it and leave the private charities to wither on the vine.

10 posted on 12/31/2009 10:47:48 AM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: Steelfish

I’m sure his buddies in DC can whip up a TARP rescue for him.


11 posted on 12/31/2009 10:48:09 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (if you can read this you're too close.)
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To: Steelfish
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/didache.html

Read Chapter 11 of the 3 translations.
They say in effect “if they ask for money they are false”!

12 posted on 12/31/2009 10:49:05 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ((B.?) Hussein (Obama?Soetoro?Dunham?) Change America Will Die From.)
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To: Steelfish

Maybe he can threaten his flock that “God will take him home” if he doesn’t get the money, like Oral Roberts.


13 posted on 12/31/2009 10:50:36 AM PST by I-ambush (I didn't think, I never dreamed, that I would be around to see it all come true-McCartney and Wings)
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To: GeronL

Yes, did Rick himself take a 10 percent pay-cut? And after that...did the upper management of his church also take a 10 percent pay-cut?


14 posted on 12/31/2009 10:51:00 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: Steelfish

My church has had to reorganize and right-size this year. Warren needs to look for ways to cut expenses at Saddleback so they can divert resources elsewhere.


15 posted on 12/31/2009 10:51:15 AM PST by MovementConservative (Go Ducks! Crush the Buckeyes!)
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To: I-ambush

Right on! Way to go!


16 posted on 12/31/2009 10:52:08 AM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

The Bible teaches Rick and me to live within our means.


17 posted on 12/31/2009 10:53:30 AM PST by choctaw man (Good ole Andrew Jackson, or You're the Reason God Made Oklahoma...)
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To: Steelfish

I’ve had a bad year too. Perhaps I should have sent out a Christmas appeal with my cards for everyone to send me money too. (sarc/off)


18 posted on 12/31/2009 10:53:38 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: pepsionice

I do not think Warren draws a salary at all today? In fact, I think he has given back every cent the church had paid him in the past. He lives off his royalties. He has made a big deal out of him doing this and then telling people he has done this.


19 posted on 12/31/2009 10:56:24 AM PST by rawhide
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To: Steelfish

I don’t like any of these mega-church corporations in the first place and Rick Warren can go screw himself in the second place. Nah, change that - Put Rick Warren screwing himself in the first place!


20 posted on 12/31/2009 10:56:47 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: GeronL
did he take a pay cut?

i thought he didn't receive any pay from the church... and i had read that when he made all that money from his books he paid back to the church all of his salary he had earned over the previous 25 years as a pastor...

and i also thought i heard he gave away 90 percent of his book earnings, and he and his wife live on 10 percent of the income...

p.s.--i am not a Rick Warren fan nor am i someone who dislikes him--i have no emotional response to him... after reading some of the posts here, i was thinkimg maybe it wasn't Rick Warren i heard these things about, but i'm pretty sure it was Rick Warren...

21 posted on 12/31/2009 10:57:29 AM PST by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: pepsionice
Yes, did Rick himself take a 10 percent pay-cut?

he doesn't draw a salary...

22 posted on 12/31/2009 10:59:05 AM PST by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: Steelfish

Echoes of Jim Baker.


23 posted on 12/31/2009 11:01:28 AM PST by cranked
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To: Steelfish

Take it out of your own bank account you charlatan!!


24 posted on 12/31/2009 11:01:36 AM PST by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

This is the first time I’ve seen the Didache used on FR. Thumbs up!


25 posted on 12/31/2009 11:08:51 AM PST by Skenderbej (People need to learn that no muhammadan practices his religion peacefully.)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
"Read Chapter 11 of the 3 translations. They say in effect “if they ask for money they are false”!"

But didn't Paul himself take up a collection in Macedonia and Asia for the poor in Jerusalem? One just need exercise spiritual discretion. The wolves are out there (many on TBN) yet so are sincere sheep.

26 posted on 12/31/2009 11:09:35 AM PST by circlecity
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To: fatnotlazy
I admit I don't know much about him or his church. But his situation is typical for quite a few charities. As need arises, donations have fallen, and many of these charities are really hurting.

Didn't the Apostle Paul make tents when things got rought? Career ministries sicken me.

27 posted on 12/31/2009 11:12:41 AM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: fatnotlazy

without the “t” even.


28 posted on 12/31/2009 11:15:46 AM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Steelfish

If he doesn’t take a salary, and he already donates 90 percent of his income, then he’s already doing his part.

A lot of churches and charities are having to re-organize their debt and expenses. I assume they are no different. They’ll get through it.

Our church leadership said very little, but from what little they said I know we went through the same. We’re still growing, though, and if you keep motoring forward these things work themselves through.


29 posted on 12/31/2009 11:16:11 AM PST by marron
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To: fatnotlazy

Ah - a voice of reason. I am surprised at the snarky comments by people because Warren does not fit the mode of some churches. I atteneded his service two years ago and can say - it is not for me!! But it was clear that they have many programs to help others. The reached out to an Anglican group when they lost, via a law suit, their property to the National church. Folks like Warren are going to be on the bad side of someone - because he does so much to reach out - it was a similar failure - in my opinion to GWB - nice guy trying to be an accomidating Christian.


30 posted on 12/31/2009 11:16:19 AM PST by q_an_a
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

But I don’t know if having a “day job” helps all that much when you have thousands unemployed and desperate.


31 posted on 12/31/2009 11:18:30 AM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Career ministries sicken me.

He doesn't take a salary. He donates 90 percent of his income.

Most ministers make their living doing what they do. Most don't do it for no salary.

32 posted on 12/31/2009 11:18:59 AM PST by marron
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To: Steelfish

I get a real kick out of these preachers begging for hundreds of thousands of dollars...in Christ name. LOL....Jesus wept.


33 posted on 12/31/2009 11:20:57 AM PST by Snurple (VEGETARIAN, OLD INDIAN WORD FOR BAD HUNTER.)
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To: pepsionice

If memory serves; I believe it actually goes like this. At some point in his book sales, Rick stopped taking a salary from Saddleback Church. And after the income reached the astronomical levels which it did, he GAVE BACK an amount equal to ALL THE SALARY he had EVER been paid by Saddleback Church.

As to the current predicament at the church; I have no idea who or what is to blame. However, I believe Rick could probably write a check for $900K without breaking a sweat. Why doesn’t he do THAT, if he REALLY BELIEVES in the charitable work Saddleback is doing?


34 posted on 12/31/2009 11:21:21 AM PST by Tucker39 (I Tim. 1:15b " .....Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.")
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To: marron
Most ministers make their living doing what they do. Most don't do it for no salary.

BS, baloney, moronic.

35 posted on 12/31/2009 11:22:36 AM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Tucker39

Cause Jesus wants him to have the money...dont you know nuthin. :)


36 posted on 12/31/2009 11:22:43 AM PST by Snurple (VEGETARIAN, OLD INDIAN WORD FOR BAD HUNTER.)
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To: Steelfish; All

This moron needs to get some purpose driven into him so everything will be all right.

Rick Warren is a fraud and servant of Satan.


37 posted on 12/31/2009 11:25:07 AM PST by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: fatnotlazy

I attend 2 churches one is close by when I can’t get to the other church. It is really too liberal for me, but I do absolutely love my Sunday class teacher. At any rate,
I am going to send them a note on the request for donations that due to increased taxes to fund obamacare, I won’t be able to contribute much


38 posted on 12/31/2009 11:25:18 AM PST by mel
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To: mel
I am going to send them a note on the request for donations that due to increased taxes to fund obamacare, I won’t be able to contribute much

Send them a bill for gas money. :-)

39 posted on 12/31/2009 11:29:00 AM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: q_an_a

He’s just as evil as Joel Osteen, pointing people away from Christ to some vague purpose that is not tied to glorifying God.


40 posted on 12/31/2009 11:29:20 AM PST by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: rwfromkansas

“He’s just as evil as Joel Osteen, pointing people away from Christ to some vague purpose that is not tied to glorifying God.”

Correct, but there IS a greater purpose.......to keep these ministers in the dough.


41 posted on 12/31/2009 11:36:19 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: latina4dubya

interesting.


42 posted on 12/31/2009 11:52:02 AM PST by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards,com)
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To: rwfromkansas
As I said, Rick Warren is not my pastor/priest, but he is a beliving Christan. In the opening pages of his book this is his first suggestion for living a meaningful life - "First, you discover your identity and purpose through a relationship with Jesus Christ."

I don't listen to Joel Olsteen, and have no frame of reference, but I accept the fact that many believers and many churches have used the Purpose Driven Life to renew the relationship they have to the church family and to Jesus. I am not a fan of mega-churches, but if 10% go and believe in Jesus that is as good as can be found at many places of worship.

43 posted on 12/31/2009 12:08:26 PM PST by q_an_a
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To: q_an_a

I think the most troubling thing about this request from his church is this guy has made millions on his Purpose Driven materials and has lured 300,000 pastors to participate in his “church growth” conferences and use their playbook. He has changed so many churches in what they do these days by creating a watered down, lukewarm church. This has not just affected his church and congregation but congregations all over the world. The Church of Laodicea front and center spreading it to many churches. The impact that the church has had in this nation has been minimal at best these past 10 years and it has a lot to do with Warren’s social gospel he has been spreading.


44 posted on 12/31/2009 12:12:38 PM PST by truthandlife ("Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." (Ps 20:7))
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To: truthandlife

You Said IT!

“Warren’s social gospel he has been spreading.”

The Churchs’ role at this Time should be Declareing the Evils of Socialism, not Promoting Them.


45 posted on 12/31/2009 12:20:33 PM PST by bravotu (Have a Nice Day !)
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To: Steelfish

Purpose driven plate passing


46 posted on 12/31/2009 12:24:59 PM PST by Rightly Biased (If Clinton was the first black president then Obama is the first black Jesus.)
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To: Steelfish

Too big to fail


47 posted on 12/31/2009 12:33:56 PM PST by Rightly Biased (If Clinton was the first black president then Obama is the first black Jesus.)
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To: fatnotlazy
You will find the truth about the Purpose Driven seeker friendly movement here:

The purpose driven and emergent hijacking of Christianity

48 posted on 12/31/2009 12:42:00 PM PST by truthandlife ("Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." (Ps 20:7))
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To: circlecity

DIDACHE

11:20 And whosoever shall say in the Spirit, Give me
silver or anything else, ye shall not listen to him;

11:21 but if he tell you to give on behalf of others
that are in want, let no man judge him.


49 posted on 12/31/2009 12:45:15 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ((B.?) Hussein (Obama?Soetoro?Dunham?) Change America Will Die From.)
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To: circlecity
People forget that Saint Paul was a tent maker
and took no money for himself!
50 posted on 12/31/2009 12:47:24 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ((B.?) Hussein (Obama?Soetoro?Dunham?) Change America Will Die From.)
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