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LIVE HEALTH CARE THREAD ~ SATURDAY & SUNDAY
20 March 2010

Posted on 03/20/2010 7:07:53 AM PDT by SE Mom

Edited on 03/21/2010 5:00:38 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

10 AM Rules Committee meeting (C-span2 LIVE all day)

11 AM Stupak press conference

12 PM Demonstration at the Capitol

3 PM Obama meets with the Democratic caucus

Sunday
2 p.m.: The House will debate for one hour the rules of debate for the reconciliation bill and the Senate bill.

3 p.m.: The House will vote to end debate and vote on the rules of the debate.

3:15 p.m.: The House will debate the reconciliation package for two hours.

5:15 p.m.: The House will vote on the reconciliation package.

5:30 p.m.: The House will debate for 15 minutes on a Republican substitute and then vote on the substitute.

6 p.m.: The House will vote on the final reconciliation package.

6:15 p.m.: If the reconciliation bill passes, the House will immediately vote on the Senate bill, without debate.


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To: ex-Texan
Well put.

HOWEVER, Health and provisions will be available Divinely for those who walk close to God according to His priorities.

The clothes did not wear out for the Children of Israel for 40 years. Even if the Rapture is not when some of us think it will be, there's only 7 years of Tribulation.

And dying, lands us in God's lap anyway.

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May God bless, protect, provide for, have mercy on all who Love Him in coming traumas.

1962 - March 10 State Department Study Memorandum No. 7, "A World Effectively Controlled by the United Nations, " written by CFR member Lincoln Bloomfield, in which he states: "A world effectively controlled by the United Nations is one in which "world government" would come about through the establishment of supranational institutions, characterized by mandatory universal membership and some ability to employ physical force....(But) if the communist dynamic was greatly abated, the West might lose whatever incentive it has for world government" [EDITOR, I THINK] It looks as if now the "communist menace" has been replaced by the "terrorist menace". And of course they can switch back to the communist menace or any other kind of menace whenever they want to.

ABOVE from:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81

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7,551 posted on 03/22/2010 8:38:07 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: kcvl

The arrogant have no idea what a splat and splatter God will insure they make.


7,552 posted on 03/22/2010 8:42:08 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: PghBaldy

Gotcha. Yes. I agree.


7,553 posted on 03/22/2010 8:45:18 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: DocRock
Good. He was an ineffective troll.

I hope he gets horsewhipped back at DU for doing such an abominable job at pretending to be a conservative. ;)

7,554 posted on 03/22/2010 8:46:44 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: ohioWfan

Yes, we will succeed!!!!!!!!!!!!


7,555 posted on 03/22/2010 8:47:10 AM PDT by rep-always
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To: stephenjohnbanker; Windcatcher

Americans have been leaving CA in droves, and illegals have been pouring in to fill in their places.

I read a year or two ago that Uhauls are leaving CA and not returning.


7,556 posted on 03/22/2010 8:49:05 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: Quix

Quix I think that’s a real possibility. All the action is there whether just plain stupidity or willful complicity, so I’m not opposed to your take on it at all. You could easily be right.

That Gorbacheve has been busy IMO.

McCarthy was right...


7,557 posted on 03/22/2010 8:52:02 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (If we as Republicans can't clean up our house, who can or will? Just say no to MeCain(D).)
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To: DoughtyOne
INDEED.

Most of the complicit have been guilty knowingly--particularly at upper levels.

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May God bless and have mercy on all who Love Him in coming traumas.

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1995 - July/August: In the CFR's Foreign Affairs, prominent CFR member Arthur Schlesinger, Jr. exclaims: "We are not going to achieve a new world order without paying for it in blood as well as in words and money."

1940

A book entitled, The New World Order by H.G. Wells, in which Wells claims:

"It is the system of nationalist individualism that has to go....We are living in the end of the sovereign states....In the great struggle to evoke a Westernized World Socialism, contemporary governments may vanish....Countless people...will hate the new world order....and will die protesting against it."

Above from:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81

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7,558 posted on 03/22/2010 8:56:37 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

That’s my take too. And it’s the only reason I don’t fully buy into the idea he’s a complete card carrying globalist by choice. He was and is a bottom of his class droid.


7,559 posted on 03/22/2010 9:00:21 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (If we as Republicans can't clean up our house, who can or will? Just say no to MeCain(D).)
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To: AmericanMermaid

Thank you.


7,560 posted on 03/22/2010 9:01:11 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Quix

Agreed Quix. Have a good one...


7,561 posted on 03/22/2010 9:04:57 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (If we as Republicans can't clean up our house, who can or will? Just say no to MeCain(D).)
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To: DoughtyOne

LIKEWISE.

THANKS
THANKS.


7,562 posted on 03/22/2010 9:06:21 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: ex-Texan

I believe this bill will be gutted in short order. The SCOTUS is going to get it, and they aren’t going to look on it favorably. Forcing people to buy insurance is a certain no no. I believe there is a chance forcing unfunded mandates on states in this size, will also be problematic.

If either of these is shot down, guess what. They can’t pay for it. Heck, they couldn’t pay for it anyway, but the hole will be way to big for it to fly then. IMO

Sorry about your access to the Y. Swimming can be an excellent way to get a great workout.


7,563 posted on 03/22/2010 9:12:49 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (If we as Republicans can't clean up our house, who can or will? Just say no to MeCain(D).)
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To: ex-Texan
Medical care is for the very young in today's Brave New World. Worker bees get the benefits while sickly oldsters are forced to accept the George Soros view of a world free of older people. And the unsightly, wrinkled, elderly are dumped on the garbage heap -- just like Nazi Death Camps.

Yes, can't you be a patriot and hurry up and die! Actually I agree with the Soros vision of no old people -- at least as applied to one George Soros.

7,564 posted on 03/22/2010 10:32:57 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
I DO believe he has been sold on globalism(Soros & Co.).....he is a weak-minded man (graduated in the bottom of his college class like Biden).

He's a doddering mendacious old fool, is what he is, and I'm not entirely convinced the North Vietnamese didn't turn him, at least partly.

7,565 posted on 03/22/2010 10:35:01 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: DoughtyOne

“I believe this bill will be gutted in short order. The SCOTUS is going to get it, and they aren’t going to look on it favorably. Forcing people to buy insurance is a certain no no. I believe there is a chance forcing unfunded mandates on states in this size, will also be problematic.”

Well stated. If the fed can force us to buy healthcare, where does it end? The vast majority HAVE their OWN health insurance. Can they force us to buy auto insurance if we don’t drive?


7,566 posted on 03/22/2010 10:39:23 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINOS)
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To: Still Thinking

Well, it is up to you and I and the rest of Arizona to broom him.


7,567 posted on 03/22/2010 10:40:41 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINOS)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Check out the Ben Stein commentary. In it he states the bill voted on in the House is not the one they passed in the Senate. He states there were differences. He states the House didn’t follow the rules and the whole thing is illegitimate.


7,568 posted on 03/22/2010 10:51:56 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (If we as Republicans can't clean up our house, who can or will? Just say no to MeCain(D).)
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To: SE Mom

God Please help America!


7,569 posted on 03/22/2010 10:56:59 AM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: DoughtyOne

“Check out the Ben Stein commentary. In it he states the bill voted on in the House is not the one they passed in the Senate. He states there were differences. He states the House didn’t follow the rules and the whole thing is illegitimate.”

Well, Stein(graduated at the top of his class both as an undergraduate, and law school....lol)is indeed a lawyer.

I hope he is right.


7,570 posted on 03/22/2010 11:43:27 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINOS)
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To: SeattleBruce
My sincere apologies SeattleBruce. The comments were not meant to be directed at you but at the speech being given on FOX. I should have replied to post #1 and not a random one that belonged to you.

Again, I apologize. Sorry.

7,571 posted on 03/22/2010 11:46:17 AM PDT by YouPosting2Me
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To: DoughtyOne

Buehler?......... Buehler?


7,572 posted on 03/22/2010 11:49:52 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Ladysmith

I meant he was born in Wisconsin.


7,573 posted on 03/22/2010 11:51:37 AM PDT by jenk (REMEMBER MASSACHUSETTS!!)
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To: patriot08

LOL

Obambler? Obambler?


7,574 posted on 03/22/2010 11:57:20 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Novemberrrrrr.... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2477039/posts?page=16#16)
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To: patriot08

LOL

Obambler? Obambler?

...or perhaps more fitting...

Obumbler? Obumbler?


7,575 posted on 03/22/2010 11:58:16 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Novemberrrrrr.... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2477039/posts?page=16#16)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

God, I pray Stein is right.


7,576 posted on 03/22/2010 11:58:29 AM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: SE Mom; All

Are you watching Mc on the floor?

http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN2.aspx


7,577 posted on 03/22/2010 12:00:33 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Pray, Pray, Pray.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

If this is true, why isn’t it on Drudge or even FR?


7,578 posted on 03/22/2010 12:10:12 PM PDT by Kenny
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To: AliVeritas

No- but thanks- I’ll switch over to cspan now...fed up with Shep.


7,579 posted on 03/22/2010 12:11:51 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat veteran)
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To: All

Glad some of you are still here. Thought you would be interested in a quote from my doofus congressman Doyle (courtesy of WTAE TV):

“I look forward to going back to Pittsburgh and tell Pittsburghers why this is a good bill — why for senior citizens it’s going to immediately help to close the ‘donut hole,’ why this is good for small business people, why this is good for families who have children that don’t stay on their policies after 21, they have to look for their own insurance, now they’re going to be able to stay on the policies until they’re 27,” Doyle said. “There’s a lot of great things in this bill. It does a lot of great things, and I look forward to telling people what it does.”

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I wonder if he’s also going to tell his constiuents how much this is going to cost — in taxes, freedom and yes, their very lives.

And by the way congressman — the age is 26 not 27. Doofus doesn’t even know the provisions of the bill he just voted for.


7,580 posted on 03/22/2010 12:12:37 PM PDT by fatnotlazy (Never forget!)
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To: Quix
Why do folks not comment on: selected quotes....

I dunno dear brother in Christ. Maybe they don't like to dwell on "bad news?"

7,581 posted on 03/22/2010 12:30:31 PM PDT by betty boop (Moral law is not rooted in factual laws of nature; they only tell us what happens, not what ought to)
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7,582 posted on 03/22/2010 12:45:11 PM PDT by tapatio (In memory of my Dad 5-27-26 2-4-2010)
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To: tapatio

But will November be too late to fix this crap?


7,583 posted on 03/22/2010 12:57:06 PM PDT by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult.)
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick

I’m confused, again. Didn’t they vote on the reconciliation (proposed amendments) before the bill. If so, even though they didn’t formally go through the conference process, didn’t they vote to change the bill before they passed it. Now they’re waiting on the Senate to agree or revise.

That sounds a lot like the conference process.


7,584 posted on 03/22/2010 1:14:28 PM PDT by Kenny
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To: Kenny

I do not know, I was away all weekend dealing with a friend who had some family issues. I missed most of it and I am trying to get caught up on things today.


7,585 posted on 03/22/2010 1:19:59 PM PDT by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult.)
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To: Kenny

Good question. I haven’t seen it either.


7,586 posted on 03/22/2010 1:28:13 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINOS)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I’m not lawyer but I’d think that if there was anything in the 1st bill that referenced the actual bill, it would have to be revisited by the Senate.


7,587 posted on 03/22/2010 1:32:25 PM PDT by Kenny
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To: Kenny

I agree. What the hell, the law, and specifically constitutional law has been abandoned wholesale, by
these cretins.


7,588 posted on 03/22/2010 1:35:06 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINOS)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

So why did they insist on voting on the proposed amendments first? I feel like I’m missing something here.


7,589 posted on 03/22/2010 1:44:14 PM PDT by Kenny
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To: Ulysse

My point isn’t that illegal immigration doesn’t matter (it most certainly does) it is that we can not allow the Democrats to change the topic of discussion. No other subject or bill should be considered except for repealing the Health Care takeover.

We want the vote in November to be Health Care Sham, Health Care Take over, Health Care mandates 24/7. Do not let them change the subject and the focus by bringing controversial distraction in to protect themselves.


7,590 posted on 03/22/2010 3:36:21 PM PDT by Dragonspirit (Always remember President Token won only by defecting on his CFR pledge.)
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To: YouPosting2Me; Brad's Gramma

My sincere apologies SeattleBruce. The comments were not meant to be directed at you but at the speech being given on FOX. I should have replied to post #1 and not a random one that belonged to you.

Again, I apologize. Sorry.
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Thanks You - big relief. I kept re-reading my post to figure out if I’d offended you in some way...

Best!

Bruce


7,591 posted on 03/22/2010 4:05:51 PM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country - Keep on Tea Partiers - party like it's 1773 & pray 2 Chronicles 7:14!)
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To: tioga

Whoraldo, makes the State of Arizona proud. /s (U of A alumni)


7,592 posted on 03/22/2010 4:57:33 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline.)
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To: betty boop

I prefer not to dwell on such, too.

However, a watchman’s job seems never done . . .

and being at least minimally aware is a long stretch from dwelling obsessively on something.

Thx for your kind reply.


7,593 posted on 03/22/2010 6:40:11 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: cookiedough

“We need a targeted, well-planned and executed revolution. It doesn’t have to be bloody, but it must be continuously effective.

I have no idea how to implement that.”

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I have no idea either. In fact, I’m so emotional when I call my Rep’s I usually flub up. Like this weekend, I left a voicemail for my Rep. and said “if he didn’t vote ‘no’ on healthcare if would be his last vote”.

I meant to say it would be his last term. I’m still waiting for the MIB to show up.


7,594 posted on 03/22/2010 7:27:24 PM PDT by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: JouleZ

Ha.

MIB riding in black helicopters repelling down through your skylights!


7,595 posted on 03/22/2010 9:00:54 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: mamelukesabre

“MIB riding in black helicopters repelling down through your skylights!”
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I see you feel my pain. I have black helos buzzing over often, they fly training missions here, but it’s the Crown Victorias I am worried about.

Sure hope I didn’t get reported for my faux pas. OTOH, it would make a great story, sorta.


7,596 posted on 03/22/2010 9:08:57 PM PDT by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: JouleZ

That happens to me too. If I remember in time, I write down what I want to say in advance and read it.


7,597 posted on 03/22/2010 9:09:49 PM PDT by cookiedough
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To: cookiedough

“If I remember in time, I write down what I want to say in advance and read it.”
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Yes, that’s the cure for “open mouth and insert foot” disease. Hopefully, I am healed and learn to do that! LOL


7,598 posted on 03/22/2010 9:25:11 PM PDT by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: ohioWfan; DoughtyOne; CAluvdubya
CAluvdubya wrote : I think your anger is misplaced. It should be directed at Obama and the Dems.

ohioWfan wrote : We need to encourage what is happening NOW. We need to defeat the enemy NOW. We need to FOCUS.

You need to reread my post it is all about focusing on now and the evil of BO and his insidious horde of progressives that have issued their version of a religious Fatwa on healthcare against the American people.

Here is the deal if we do not learn from our own history then we are doomed to repeat it and we need to recognize not only the folly of our opponents designs and plans but the mistakes we made in sending the wrong signals about smaller limited government, lower taxes, and free market values each time our own Representatives voted for big government type bills. We need to be able to police our own party with just as much scrutiny as we do on any legislation that is being written by progressive democrats, that are trying to turn our great nation into another Disney Euro Socialist Wasteland, in congress. My point is we can not afford any more John McCains, Arlen Spectors, Mitt Romneys, Lindsey Grahams, Olimpia Snows, Arnold Swewarzeneggers, and etc. representing us as a republic. We have to stand up to them and lead by example on smaller limited government, lower taxes, free markets values, and support of the the Constitution and that we well accept nothing less on these ideals. We have to call them on the carpet each time to remind them what it means to be a conservative. No more cutting them slack just because they have a R in front of their name. Anytime they lean to the left for bigger government we have to stop them in their tracks so as not to send mixed and wrong signals to the rest of the American people about what governing as a conservative means.

It is quite obvious that the GOP party is out of touch with it's own base on the plank for smaller government when our nominee for president ends up being John McCain. John McCain should not have been in the top ten let alone the actual nominee. This means some where along the line we lost touch with what gave us the 1994 Republican Revolution or the 1980 Reagan Revolution. And we have to recapture that so as not to repeat the mistakes that lost us all three houses. My post is all about fighting Obama and his commie cronies NOW and stopping them dead in their tracks in trying to fundamentally change American from a great bastion of freedom and turning it into a socialist land of enslavement. But to do that we have to make sure we don't make any more mistakes in governing as conservatives in the future and that means learning from the past.

Right now Barry and Co. has us so far in debt to other nations that we are on the brink of losing our tripe AAA credit rating with the price tag of this cowardice piece of crap legislation and once that is gone the US dollar want be worth jack. But we have to see how easy it was for them to take us down this path and what got us to this point to avoid those mistakes in the future when more progressives will rise up to try and remake the USA into their own idea of the ultimate socialist utopia where everything is bliss and free with no strings attached. They live a fantasy world of what could be when everywhere it has been tried it has always failed miserably and millions of people died horrible deaths while their leaders forged ahead grinding their victims bones into the dust all for an unattainable socialist utopia. So not to be like them we need to learn from history and not repeat it so as to more effectively defeat them once and for all time. That is what I trying to get across. The Art of War works in politics also and we have to apply those rules now because we are in a war for the political freedom of this country. Stay Strong and keep the faith and keep calling your Representatives. :)

Sorry for taking so long to respond but just back home.

7,599 posted on 03/22/2010 10:53:18 PM PDT by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: Captain Beyond
A point of contention with what you wrote:

It is quite obvious that the GOP party is out of touch with it's own base on the plank for smaller government when our nominee for president ends up being John McCain. John McCain should not have been in the top ten let alone the actual nominee.

I don't believe we, the base, nor the GOP picked McCain as our candidate. I fully believe that little maneuver was orchestrated and carried out by the dems. They crossed over specifically to vote in our primaries and chose our candidate for us.

This is not to say our GOP leaders are not out of touch with what we want but they did hold strong yesterday and, for the first time in a very long time, presented a united front and represented us well.

I pray that this will be a turning point for our party.

7,600 posted on 03/22/2010 11:10:23 PM PDT by CAluvdubya (We need a Commander-in-Chief, not a professor of Law standing at a lectern-Palin 2010)
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