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How an Icelandic volcano helped spark the French Revolution
guardian.co.uk ^ | 4/15/10 | Greg Neale

Posted on 04/20/2010 4:55:46 PM PDT by Kartographer

Just over 200 years ago an Icelandic volcano erupted with catastrophic consequences for weather, agriculture and transport across the northern hemisphere – and helped trigger the French revolution.

The Laki volcanic fissure in southern Iceland erupted over an eight-month period from 8 June 1783 to February 1784, spewing lava and poisonous gases that devastated the island's agriculture, killing much of the livestock. It is estimated that perhapsa quarter of Iceland's population died through the ensuing famine.

Then, as now, there were more wide-ranging impacts. In Norway, the Netherlands, the British Isles, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, in North America and even Egypt, the Laki eruption had its consequences, as the haze of dust and sulphur particles thrown up by the volcano was carried over much of the northern hemisphere.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; cwiiping; godsgravesglyphs; iceland; volcano
History repeating itself.
1 posted on 04/20/2010 4:55:46 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: Kartographer; SunkenCiv

Read it found it very interesting..


2 posted on 04/20/2010 5:21:54 PM PDT by GSP.FAN (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: Kartographer; blam; Black Agnes

Wow!


3 posted on 04/20/2010 5:48:48 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Kartographer; Eaker; afnamvet; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; An Old Man; ApesForEvolution; aragorn; archy; ...
Black Swan Ping.

(Last time, >> French Revolution.)

CW2 Ping


4 posted on 04/20/2010 5:57:44 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Kartographer
The disruption to weather patterns meant the ensuing winter was unusually harsh, with consequent spring flooding claiming more lives. In America the Mississippi reportedly froze at New Orleans.

Oh, man.
5 posted on 04/20/2010 6:00:41 PM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life or nothing at all)
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To: Kartographer

I see one huge difference between now and then. We are already on the beginning of a lull in sunspot activity and a cooling trend is well under way. Last summer was crazy cool and last winter was harsh. Real harsh. Now this ash cloud is supposed to spread all around the world and cause even more cooling.

This could be bad. We may all be hoping and praying algore is right by this time next year.


6 posted on 04/20/2010 6:08:37 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: Kartographer

Al Gore will claim it is all global warming in the end.

- only delayed.

When the “global warming” glasses on, everything is a fulfillment of the man made disaster. (oh wait, was that terrorism?)


7 posted on 04/20/2010 6:16:07 PM PDT by Only1choice____Freedom (FDR had the New Deal. President 0bama has the Raw Deal.)
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To: Travis McGee

Good read, thanks for the ping.


8 posted on 04/20/2010 7:01:09 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops....and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: Travis McGee
Very interesting. I had the oportunity to fly over Mt. St. Hellens on 18 Apr, 1980. That evening I drove through northern Washington, on the most northerly edge of the ash plume.

At times the road ventured southerly into the places where a blanket of ash covered the ground. There, everything, in all directions, looked much like the surface of the moon. It took several days to wash the stuff off of the road surfaces. Today, some 30 years later, you can still find traces of the ash in the branches of trees in the forests.

If that volcano does what it did last time it erupted, many will long for the good old days.

This eruption might take several years to clear up the mess it is making.

9 posted on 04/20/2010 7:09:40 PM PDT by An Old Man
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To: An Old Man

It could be a big game changer, that’s for sure!


10 posted on 04/20/2010 7:16:04 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Kartographer

All together, now...one, ...two,... three:

BUSH’S FAULT!!!!!!!!


11 posted on 04/20/2010 7:19:40 PM PDT by Humble Servant ( See y'all in the gulag.)
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To: An Old Man
18 Apr May, 1980.

There, fixed it.

Not to be picky, but I was there, too. Waiting to ship to EOBC at Ft Belvoir, to report on 20May80.

12 posted on 04/20/2010 7:43:49 PM PDT by castlebrew (Gun control means hitting where you're aiming!)
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To: Travis McGee
You said it, brother!
Already the reports (FoxNews) are coming in how this is affecting the US economy. I will definitely be paying closer attention to this story.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjfrexe61XI&feature=related

13 posted on 04/20/2010 8:15:07 PM PDT by TheCause ("that these United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, free and independent States")
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To: advance_copy

I am rereading Following the Equator by Mark Twain and he mentions the Mississippi freezing at Memphis and ice as far south as the mouth of the Arkansas, this was during his days as a riverboat pilot.


14 posted on 04/20/2010 8:40:07 PM PDT by razorback-bert (So many questions, so few answers about Barry.)
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To: Travis McGee

It’s interesting that you should ping me to this. I’ve had this nagging thought in the back of my brain since reading up on what actually happened in Iceland with that volcano, that this isn’t going to be over in a month... not by a long shot.


15 posted on 04/20/2010 8:53:43 PM PDT by hiredhand
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To: Kartographer

Sounds like something from that James Burke TV Series “Connections.”


16 posted on 04/20/2010 8:55:47 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: hiredhand

I picked a different “Black Swan event” in my third novel, (new madrid quakes) but if the 2nd volcano blows for 8 months, it might do the same job on the world economy.


17 posted on 04/21/2010 4:15:40 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee; hiredhand

I saw either this article or one like it a few days ago, but it’s good to keep it alive.

The last time this volcano erupted, the eruption went on for a year.

It may not have been a continuous eruption, but even if it only shuts down European air travel for one week out of every month for the next year, that’s not going to be good.

Also, the longer it erupts, the more ash builds up in the atmosphere, blocking more and more sunlight, leading to (nobody tell al-Gore) more cooling.

And that’s assuming the other, bigger (Katla?) volcano doesn’t erupt, which is not a good bet.


18 posted on 04/21/2010 5:37:50 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

If Katla blows, all bets are off. The Black Swan will be flying.


19 posted on 04/21/2010 5:39:10 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee

Possibly a whole flock of them.

Time to start looking into what grows well (or ‘least poorly’) in cool, rainy weather.


20 posted on 04/21/2010 5:42:09 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: castlebrew; An Old Man

I was there too, a month or two later, and saw all sorts of fallen trees and deep layers of ash all over the place out in the woods.


21 posted on 04/21/2010 8:17:49 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: DuncanWaring
Time to start looking into what grows well (or ‘least poorly’) in cool, rainy weather.

Love them 'taters....

22 posted on 04/21/2010 8:41:13 AM PDT by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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To: thulldud

That’s one that comes to mind.

Got any references to a comparison of the relative merits of the different varieties (russet vs. red vs. yukon gold, etc)?

I’m thinking, in general, “does well in cool, wet, cloudy weather” AND “matures quickly” would be the proper avenues of pursuit.


23 posted on 04/21/2010 8:45:58 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

I love Yukon Golds, but they seem very prone to go bad in storage. Russets are hardier.


24 posted on 04/22/2010 2:41:19 PM PDT by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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To: thulldud

Sounds like the proper plan is to grow a few Yukon Golds and a lot of russets, and eat the Yukons first.


25 posted on 04/22/2010 2:45:20 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring; Travis McGee
Time to start looking into what grows well (or ‘least poorly’) in cool, rainy weather.

Sprouts, in your kitchen. Stored rice and beans, along with various condiments to make it interesting, is highly nutritious.

I very seriously am happy to not be living in a Turd World country, because if this volcano keeps erupting, or if Katla goes, then there will be HUGE increases in the price of food...which can only mean famine in the Turd World, as all of us can pay for the food. It isn't like the world is the least bit practical in this modern age, and has stores of food to use in the event of widespread crop failures (caused by volcanoes and such).

I wonder if anyone in any position of power will actually learn something from this. Nah, it'll never happen.

26 posted on 04/22/2010 4:05:28 PM PDT by Ancesthntr (Tyrant: "Spartans, lay down your weapons." Free man: "Persian, come and get them!")
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To: Ancesthntr

The volcano seems to be calming down....for now.


27 posted on 04/22/2010 4:43:45 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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28 posted on 04/22/2010 6:16:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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iceland, volcano, and Eyjafjallajokull keywords, sorted chrono:
29 posted on 04/22/2010 6:31:16 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Kartographer; SunkenCiv

Oh.
I thought they meant *right now*.


30 posted on 04/22/2010 7:15:33 PM PDT by Salamander (Hold onto to all your fears 'cuz when I get outta here....vengeance is mine, mine, mine!)
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To: DuncanWaring

I started looking into cold weather crops already.
Couple musk ox might work out too:)


31 posted on 04/22/2010 7:45:53 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: Ancesthntr

We do not have the stores of food in this country we used to. No grain reserves at all.


32 posted on 04/22/2010 7:51:43 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: Salamander

;’)


33 posted on 04/22/2010 7:52:05 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Travis McGee

Nice of the volcano to give us a warning shot.


34 posted on 04/22/2010 7:53:52 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: Travis McGee
I think it was in 1305 a huge famine hit Europe, leading to many reports of cannibalism.....
Again, it was report that the haze was such that their were no shadows.
35 posted on 04/22/2010 8:00:05 PM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion Stops A Beating Heart)
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To: Ancesthntr; All

Since this kind of thing can happen periodically, we really need to think in terms of gradual, volutary reduction in the population of the earth, or else as you say millions will starve when the system breaks down from natural or man made catastrophe.


36 posted on 04/22/2010 10:02:27 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: SunkenCiv
I just saw an episode of How The Earth Was Made on Iceland in which Laki was discussed. Look at the line of craters and lava that eruption left behind. It's enormous, like the Earth was ripped open in that part of the island.


37 posted on 04/23/2010 1:07:53 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

I see the “Image Hosted by tripod” crap image; even one of the images ON that page is the crap image, which is weird. :’) Thanks ct for the link:

http://laki-volcano.tripod.com/id3.html


38 posted on 04/23/2010 6:48:55 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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