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Could this be the biggest find since the Dead Sea Scrolls? Seventy metal books found..
Daily Mail ^ | 03/30/11 | Fiona Macrae

Posted on 03/30/2011 9:07:25 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

Could this be the biggest find since the Dead Sea Scrolls? Seventy metal books found in cave in Jordan could change our view of Biblical history

By Fiona Macrae

Last updated at 11:35 AM on 30th March 2011

For scholars of faith and history, it is a treasure trove too precious for price. This ancient collection of 70 tiny books, their lead pages bound with wire, could unlock some of the secrets of the earliest days of Christianity. Academics are divided as to their authenticity but say that if verified, they could prove as pivotal as the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls in 1947.


Lines of inquiry: The metal tablets could change our understanding of the Bible

On pages not much bigger than a credit card, are images, symbols and words that appear to refer to the Messiah and, possibly even, to the Crucifixion and Resurrection. Adding to the intrigue, many of the books are sealed, prompting academics to speculate they are actually the lost collection of codices mentioned in the Bible’s Book Of Revelation.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: beck; bible; dsj; faithandphilosophy; godsgravesglyphs; jordan; lds; leadbook; leadtablets; mormon; ringlingbrothers; romney; seven
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1 posted on 03/30/2011 9:07:33 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; SunkenCiv; blam; JimSEA

P!


2 posted on 03/30/2011 9:08:02 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Scriptures written on metal plates? Wow ... that sounds vaguely familiar doesn’t it?


3 posted on 03/30/2011 9:12:13 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Conveniently, I believe that lead can’t be dated.


4 posted on 03/30/2011 9:12:27 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: TigerLikesRooster
"Postcards from the Resurrection."

They don't look like they contain a lot of information, even if real.

5 posted on 03/30/2011 9:14:43 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

How come they look rusty?


6 posted on 03/30/2011 9:15:17 AM PDT by AmericaUnite
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To: pabianice; Hodar
Conveniently, I believe that lead can’t be dated.

But Reformed Egyptian heiroglyphics are reliable...

7 posted on 03/30/2011 9:16:22 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: pabianice

Oh yea of so little faith! /s;-)


8 posted on 03/30/2011 9:17:12 AM PDT by resistance (abandon all hope and rational thought, become a democrat)
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To: pabianice

Maybe the wire binding can be.


9 posted on 03/30/2011 9:17:22 AM PDT by stuartcr (The soul is the .cfg file for the body)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Chapter 1: Verse 1: “Your time is up.”


10 posted on 03/30/2011 9:17:36 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Fascinating.

If its true these are what John referenced in Revelation things do seem to be reaching a climax.

11 posted on 03/30/2011 9:19:17 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: pabianice
I believe that lead can’t be dated.

Even if it could, you have to HAVE the plates to do the testing. According to the article, no one has seen the plates lately.

12 posted on 03/30/2011 9:19:33 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post.)
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To: ClearCase_guy; TigerLikesRooster

Line one “What happen?”
Line two “Someone set up us the bomb.”


13 posted on 03/30/2011 9:19:55 AM PDT by Darksheare (Dear Interdimensional Monstrosity, I fear our relationship has taken a turn for the worse...)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
From the article: The books were discovered five years ago in a cave in a remote part of Jordan to which Christian refugees are known to have fled after the fall of Jerusalem in 70AD. Important documents from the same period have previously been found there.

Initial metallurgical tests indicate that some of the books could date from the first century AD. ... If the dating is verified, the books would be among the earliest Christian documents, predating the writings of St Paul.

Obviously, not a Bible scholar. Paul wrote in the period BEFORE 70 AD. He was dead by the end of the first century.

14 posted on 03/30/2011 9:20:09 AM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: Hodar

I don’t get your reference to other scriptures written on metal plates. Please enlighten me.


15 posted on 03/30/2011 9:20:11 AM PDT by stockpirate (Rebellion to tyranny is obedience to God!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Sears Catalog??


16 posted on 03/30/2011 9:20:37 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Hodar
Scriptures written on metal plates? Wow ... that sounds vaguely familiar doesn’t it?

Yeah, but these are lead, instead of gold.

Children of a lesser God, and all.

17 posted on 03/30/2011 9:21:08 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post.)
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To: skeeter

That’s what I wonder too.


18 posted on 03/30/2011 9:21:08 AM PDT by Obadiah (If you were going to shoot a mime, would you use a silencer?)
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To: stockpirate
Well he looked in a hat and he saw some stuff, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb.

That would be Joe Smith of the Mormons.

19 posted on 03/30/2011 9:23:23 AM PDT by fuzzybutt (Democrat Lawyers are the root of all evil.)
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To: Hodar; TigerLikesRooster

****Scriptures written on metal plates? Wow ... that sounds vaguely familiar doesn’t it?***

Go here for some good old knock down drag out snot slinging discussions on these new finds.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2696354/posts


20 posted on 03/30/2011 9:23:32 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Visit the TOMMY FRANKS MILITARY MUSEUM in HOBART, OK. I did, well worth it!)
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To: stockpirate; Hodar
I don’t get your reference to other scriptures written on metal plates. Please enlighten me.

The Angel Moroni gave the Book of Mormon to Joseph Smith, written on plates of gold. So they say.

21 posted on 03/30/2011 9:23:45 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Lead would be a fairly logical choice for first century a.d. archives since it is soft enough to carve into and still virtually indestructible.

I'm willing to bet these are going to contain something very important. Maybe even a prophecy to beware of a mad man who will surface five centuries or so later.

22 posted on 03/30/2011 9:24:01 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

LOL!, and all of those obscure Greek tenses that the Greeks don’t even know about too.


23 posted on 03/30/2011 9:25:02 AM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.....Eagle Scout since Sep 9, 1970)
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To: fuzzybutt

Lol- that’s right the old hat trick.


24 posted on 03/30/2011 9:26:51 AM PDT by stockpirate (Rebellion to tyranny is obedience to God!)
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To: Vigilanteman

Hopefully, scholars don’t keep them secret for 50 years like they did the dead sea scrolls.


25 posted on 03/30/2011 9:27:38 AM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Interesting!


26 posted on 03/30/2011 9:29:11 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: UCANSEE2

So,your objection to these plates is their material, rather than the content? Is there a heirarchy that is preferred? I mean, is papyrus better or worse than leather?

Is having scriptures on my iPad somehow less sacred than having those scriptures on a hardcover bible?


27 posted on 03/30/2011 9:29:16 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

“The metal tablets could change our understanding of the Bible “

I’d guarantee that they won’t. These plates, (whose existence is questionable) contain pictorial information. That will require translation.

We have ENGLISH translations of the Bible, and we can’t even agree on what THEY say.


28 posted on 03/30/2011 9:29:38 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post.)
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To: Vigilanteman
Maybe even a prophecy to beware of a mad man who will surface five centuries or so later.

Do you mean Ahmadinejad or are you refering to Obama?

*snicker*

29 posted on 03/30/2011 9:29:44 AM PDT by Obadiah (If you were going to shoot a mime, would you use a silencer?)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

How do they know these are even Scriptures?? Seems a little premature too me.

They could be coupons for all we know, it could read—buy three goats, get one free with the presentation of this coupon! Offer only good at Habib’s Goat World. Void where prohibited.


30 posted on 03/30/2011 9:30:32 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (Fix bayonets!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Didn’t this get dropped into the black liquid in The Mummy Returns?


31 posted on 03/30/2011 9:30:46 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: pabianice

But, you can look at the corrosion, and the packing materials, as well as the makeup of the wire. And, that is assuming we are talking about pure lead (which we are 99.9999% certain it is NOT). We can get a pretty good idea how old these are.

For example, we can tell where a sample of U238 was mined; by looking at the trace elements.


32 posted on 03/30/2011 9:31:43 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

The usual suspects tried very hard to use the Dead Sea Scrolls to undermine Christianity.

It didn’t work.

I haven’t spent any time on them recently, but I did quite a lot of looking into archaeological research connected with the Bible at one time. In the end, some of it was very interesting, but didn’t really change anything.

If this latest find is real, I presume there will be similar efforts to undermine the Bible, and a similar lack of success. But there could be some interesting stuff, too.


33 posted on 03/30/2011 9:32:27 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: skeeter
The books sealed up until the time of the end - maybe?
The Oboma administration is helping the Muslim radicals circle Israel right now. Remember Rev. Write? He hates Jews and white people, and Oboma refereed to this man as his mentor. Oboma was also born and raised a Muslim. He obviously doesn't have protecting Gods chosen people on his mind.
Israel could easily be forced into giving Jerusalem to the Palestinian Muslims for peace at this time. Watch for that peace contract. It's right around the corner.
34 posted on 03/30/2011 9:33:16 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Hodar
So,your objection to these plates is their material,

Thanks for the response. I don't remember saying that I objected to these plates.

35 posted on 03/30/2011 9:33:54 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Looks like a book with seven seals along the top, right, and bottom. Open it up. What could possibly go wrong?

36 posted on 03/30/2011 9:36:20 AM PDT by faq
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To: TigerLikesRooster; SunkenCiv

“predating the writings of St Paul”

“obviously a Christian image. There is a cross in the foreground”

IIRC the cross was not a Chirstian symbol at that time.


37 posted on 03/30/2011 9:37:20 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I wonder if they’ll keep it secret and twist it to say Christianity was a fraud?


38 posted on 03/30/2011 9:38:39 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: faq

I count 12 seals. It must REALLY be dangerous.


39 posted on 03/30/2011 9:39:57 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; Colofornian; colorcountry; delacoert; ejonesie22; Elsie; Godzilla; ...

Metal books?


40 posted on 03/30/2011 9:40:19 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Just saying.......)
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To: SunkenCiv

FYI - this looks like Gods-Graves-Glyphs ping material.


41 posted on 03/30/2011 9:40:37 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: faq
Looks like a book with seven seals along the top, right, and bottom. Open it up. What could possibly go wrong?

HE he, ya for sure ...
42 posted on 03/30/2011 9:41:53 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: dragonblustar

Haven’t read the article yet, but were these written in Hebrew or Greek or Latin, or Aramaic?


43 posted on 03/30/2011 9:41:53 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

“The Angel Moroni”

“as skinny as a stick of macaroni.”

Now that song is gonna be stuck in my head all day!


44 posted on 03/30/2011 9:42:26 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Cicero
Actually, the Dead Sea Scrolls reinforced Christianity. I attended a seminar with the Mrs. not long after we were newlyweds back in the 1980's. Fascinating stuff.

Of course, if one is so inclinded, you can cherry-pick quotes from the Bible to undermine Christianity. Much like libtards cherry-pick from certain sections of the U.S. Constitution to undermine the Constitution.

45 posted on 03/30/2011 9:42:39 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: UCANSEE2
The bible was compiled by the Council of Nicaea by Christian bishops. During the compilation, at least 17 books were discarded as not being of Godly influence. Books such as the Book of Jasper, Book of Sorrow and others were lost.

If you look here, you will note that throughout time, there have been several revisions, several deletions and several modifications. What we know today, is a fraction of what was origionally given; some debate whether we have enough - others say we have more than adequate.

My interest lies in first establishing the authencity of this discovery, and then what it says.

46 posted on 03/30/2011 9:43:14 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: BenLurkin
I count 12 seals. It must REALLY be dangerous.

You only need to remove 7 to open it.

47 posted on 03/30/2011 9:44:55 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: faq
"Looks like a book with seven seals along the top, right, and bottom. Open it up. What could possibly go wrong?"

Those seals probably created a lot of problems. Keep in mind that the transition from the scroll to codex format was not an easy one....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Cd7Bsp3dDo

48 posted on 03/30/2011 9:45:00 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: stockpirate

Gee, I was thinking of the “Copper Scrolls” by Rosenberg. Didn’t even think of the Mormons. But, I hardly ever think of that stuff.


49 posted on 03/30/2011 9:45:00 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (How long before the Mall becomes Tahifir Sq?)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Seems the pictures in the photographs of the plates, shown in the article, rather resemble the VOYNICH MANUSCRIPTS.


50 posted on 03/30/2011 9:45:37 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post.)
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