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Jordan Battles to Regain 'Priceless' Christian Relics
BBC ^ | 3/29/11 | Robert Pigott

Posted on 03/29/2011 8:14:29 AM PDT by marshmallow

They could be the earliest Christian writing in existence, surviving almost 2,000 years in a Jordanian cave. They could, just possibly, change our understanding of how Jesus was crucified and resurrected, and how Christianity was born.

A group of 70 or so "books", each with between five and 15 lead leaves bound by lead rings, was apparently discovered in a remote arid valley in northern Jordan somewhere between 2005 and 2007.

A flash flood had exposed two niches inside the cave, one of them marked with a menorah or candlestick, the ancient Jewish religious symbol.

A Jordanian Bedouin opened these plugs, and what he found inside might constitute extremely rare relics of early Christianity.

That is certainly the view of the Jordanian government, which claims they were smuggled into Israel by another Bedouin.

The Israeli Bedouin who currently holds the books has denied smuggling them out of Jordan, and claims they have been in his family for 100 years.

Jordan says it will "exert all efforts at every level" to get the relics repatriated.

Incredible claims

The director of the Jordan's Department of Antiquities, Ziad al-Saad, says the books might have been made by followers of Jesus in the few decades immediately following his crucifixion.

"They will really match, and perhaps be more significant than, the Dead Sea Scrolls," says Mr Saad.

"Maybe it will lead to further interpretation and authenticity checks of the material, but the initial information is very encouraging, and it seems that we are looking at a very important and significant discovery, maybe the most important discovery in the history of archaeology."

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1 posted on 03/29/2011 8:14:35 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Astounding if true.


2 posted on 03/29/2011 8:17:04 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Yes We Can, have smaller government)
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To: marshmallow
Possession is 9/10 of the law — or so I've heard...
3 posted on 03/29/2011 8:19:09 AM PDT by WayneS ("If mercy's in business I wish it for you; and more than just ashes when your dreams come true.")
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To: marshmallow

Jordan has a far more practical position on Jewish and Christian relics than other muslim nations. They would most likely be hidden or destroyed in most of the mideast but Jordan sees an opportunity for tourism.


4 posted on 03/29/2011 8:19:51 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: marshmallow

No way in HELL should Christian relics be handed over to a hostile Muslim country that will predicatbly see them ‘accidentally’ destroyed.


5 posted on 03/29/2011 8:27:25 AM PDT by MeganC (NO WAR FOR OIL! ........except when a Democrat's in charge.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
Little is known of the movement after Jesus' crucifixion until the letters of Paul several decades later

Several decades later? Try only about 15 years until the writing of Galatians, which is both undisputedly Pauline and undisputedly written before 50 AD.

6 posted on 03/29/2011 8:29:57 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo (Mitt Romney: He's from Harvard, and he's here to help.)
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To: cripplecreek
Jordan has a far more practical position on

For now... That could change just as quickly as it has in other places in the ME. They're better off in Israel.

7 posted on 03/29/2011 8:35:19 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: cripplecreek
They would most likely be hidden or destroyed in most of the mideast but Jordan sees an opportunity for tourism.

Until the Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda take over. Then, these relics would be treated in the same manner that Jewish artifacts on the Temple Mount are treated by the Waqf. They are crushed and buried,

8 posted on 03/29/2011 8:36:56 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne (Buy Gold and Guns Now!)
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To: Thane_Banquo
Try only about 15 years until the writing of Galatians, which is both undisputedly Pauline and undisputedly written before 50 AD

Your main point is a good one. There is a big difference between "several decades" and 15 - 20 years. I would be careful about using such terms as "undisputedly" when talking about anything that scholars study, especially when it comes to dating the books of the New Testament.

There are many people who study these things who put the date of Galatians after 50 (though not far after 50) AD.

9 posted on 03/29/2011 8:38:50 AM PDT by trad_anglican
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To: marshmallow

If the Jordanians want them that badly, they probably discredit Islam. I mean, even more so than Islamic behavior does.


10 posted on 03/29/2011 8:47:59 AM PDT by Dr. Sheldon Cooper (If Mohammed were alive today, he wouldn’t be allowed to live within 1000 yards of a school.)
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To: marshmallow
A group of 70 or so "books", each with between five and 15 lead leaves bound by lead rings ....

About 70 Codices comprised of lead leaves, bound by lead rings, is most probably not going to be an early Christian collection. The early church didn't have the kind of financial resources to produce such a work. What one would expect from the first 3 centuries of the church would be Papyrus manuscripts -- probably prepared as codices -- and not something made from lead. Anything later and you're into the imperial period of Christianity, and we know a great deal about that period already.

For manuscripts to contain anything about Jesus that might be different from the New Testament, they will need to come from either (1) the first century, (2) a minor sect that had divergent views from the mainstream, (3) a less minor heretical sect, like the gnostics. If these are gnostics writings, then what we're looking at would be something from the mid-2nd through the 4th centuries and largely useless for determining anything about the historical Jesus. If these are the writings of some minor sect, then how they were prepared in lead and bound with lead rings becomes a major mystery ... minor Christian sects didn't have the resources for a major and expensive undertaking like that. And, finally, if the collection comes from the first century, then it's almost certainly NOT Christian for every reason stated in point 2. Besides, for the most part Christianity was just barely into the process of codifying a a book of Scriptures even by the end of the first century (all we had by then were the collected letters of Paul and each region had its favorite Gospel). It wan't until the mid-2nd Century that the 4 canonical Gospels and the Letters of Paul and the Catholic Epistles were generally recognized as being authoritative, and it wasn't until the mid 4th century (the 360s AD) that what we now have in the NT was accepted across the church as being the Christian Canon.

My guess is that what they have is a collection of Jewish -- probably late Second Temple period -- Priestly commissioned manuscripts that were spirited out of Jerusalem just prior to the Roman's sacking of the city in 70 AD. This would make these mss of extreme importance for Israel and for those interested in the religious history of the period (including Christians), however they would also be prime targets for destruction amongst the Palestinians who assert that Israel has NO historic claim to the region.
11 posted on 03/29/2011 9:01:42 AM PDT by TexasGreg ("Democrats Piss Me Off"M)
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To: Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet; SkyPilot; rightazrain; Tennessee Nana; ...

Ping


12 posted on 03/29/2011 9:07:36 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (White House war strategy 2011: Sun Tzu meets Barney Fife..H/T Iowahawk)
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To: greyfoxx39
No mention of mormon relics..... Shocking.

Where's PD?

I haven't seen him since he was knee high to a Nephi.

13 posted on 03/29/2011 9:20:36 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Just saying.......)
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To: greyfoxx39

Thanks for the ping!


14 posted on 03/29/2011 9:28:02 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: All

Any similarity of lead (inert) plates bound by rings to the Book of Mormon being a set of gold (INERT) plates bound by rings is purely coincidental. The authenticity of this method of storing records in no way validates the Records found in America, and any similarity to the actual history, like the Lachish Letters is purely a coincidence. nothing to see here, move on...

Delph


15 posted on 03/29/2011 9:31:10 AM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: dragonblustar

***No mention of mormon relics..... Shocking.
Where’s PD?

I haven’t seen him since he was knee high to a Nephi.***

Now you made me thirsty for a NEHI soda pop!


16 posted on 03/29/2011 9:34:36 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Visit the TOMMY FRANKS MILITARY MUSEUM in HOBART, OK. I did, well worth it!)
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To: marshmallow

It strikes me as strange that they were written in ancient Hebrew since at that time I thought that the present-day "Hebrew" alphabet (which is really Aramaic) was used.

Excellent post, BTW...fascinating.

17 posted on 03/29/2011 9:46:30 AM PDT by Pharmboy (What always made the state a hell has been that man tried to make it heaven-Hoelderlin)
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From Templestudy.com, "Sustaining and defending the LDS temple."

http://www.templestudy.com/2011/03/22/ancient-sealed-metal-plates-secret-temple-texts-discovered-middle-east/

Ancient Sealed Metal Plates with Perhaps Secret Temple Texts discovered in Middle East?

Now this certainly sounds exciting, particularly to the Latter-day Saints. As we know, Joseph Smith said that he received and translated ancient sealed gold plates, in what became The Book of Mormon.

This find is interesting for a number of reasons:

  • The books are written on metal plates (lead and copper)
  • They are bound by rings on one side (also known as codices)
  • Many of the books are “sealed” on all sides
  • They appear to be from the first century AD, and may be the earliest Christian documents ever found
  • Scholars have noted that, if authentic, this could be bigger than the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls
  • They appear to be written in an archaic Hebrew script
  • Some appears to be written in code
  • The sealed nature, and code appearance of the text, suggests that these may contain “secret teachings,” perhaps even “Temple based documentation”
  • A number of recognizable symbols appear, including the menorah (which can be seen in the photos above), branches, fruits, trees, and of the Feast of Tabernacles (Sukkot), associated with the enthronement rituals of ancient Davidic kings, and with the coming of the Messiah

Dr. Margaret Barker commented on the discovery:

“The Book of Revelation tells of a sealed book that was opened only by the Messiah. Other texts from the period tell of sealed books of wisdom and of a secret tradition passed on by Jesus to his closest disciples. That is the context for this discovery. So if they are forgeries, what are they forgeries of?"

Extensive investigation must still be done to verify the authenticity of these plates and their meaning.  If they are genuine, this could be a huge discovery.


18 posted on 03/29/2011 10:01:15 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (White House war strategy 2011: Sun Tzu meets Barney Fife..H/T Iowahawk)
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To: marshmallow

Well, let’s see:

Jordan is no longer a friend of Israel.

Jordan is a m oslem country.

Yeah, you ain’t getting them back.


19 posted on 03/29/2011 10:05:52 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: dragonblustar

Doh!


20 posted on 03/29/2011 10:06:32 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: marshmallow
A group of 70 or so "books", each with between five and 15 lead leaves bound by lead rings, was apparently discovered in a remote arid valley in northern Jordan somewhere between 2005 and 2007.

It was WEST Jordan and a certain MOhamed Smith discovered them.

The caractors appear to be old or Restored Egyptian...

21 posted on 03/29/2011 11:59:56 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Dr. Sheldon Cooper
A group of 70 or so "books", each with between five and 15 lead leaves bound by lead rings, was apparently discovered in a remote arid valley in northern Jordan somewhere between 2005 and 2007.

How?

That demonic deception didn't appear until centuries later.

22 posted on 03/29/2011 12:01:48 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Dr. Sheldon Cooper
Uh...

Lemme try again:

<If the Jordanians want them that badly, they probably discredit Islam.

How?

That demonic deception didn't appear until centuries later.

23 posted on 03/29/2011 12:02:30 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DelphiUser

Dang!

You AIN’T dead!


24 posted on 03/29/2011 12:03:59 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Pharmboy

25 posted on 03/29/2011 12:06:25 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DelphiUser

***The authenticity of this method of storing records in no way validates the Records found in America,***

I see your sarcasm but at least THESE LEAD plates are in our hot little hands, not like some so-called golden plates.

And we have people who can translate them without seer stones and they are NOT in “reformed Egyptian”.


26 posted on 03/29/2011 12:18:56 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Visit the TOMMY FRANKS MILITARY MUSEUM in HOBART, OK. I did, well worth it!)
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To: marshmallow
This is quite an interesting story.

Some intriguing tidbits...why were these finding not announced when they were discovered (2005-2007)?

Strangely, there is no mention of where exactly in Jordan they were discovered.

It is thought that early Christians who took heed of Jesus' warnings in Mark 13 fled Jerusalem before its destruction in 70 AD.

Some people think they fled to Pella in modern-day Jordan. Where these book found in ancient Pella or near there? VERY interesting.

27 posted on 03/29/2011 12:23:48 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: Elsie

Gold or lead books are heavy...must have taken a few people to tote those around, eh?


28 posted on 03/29/2011 12:26:08 PM PDT by Pharmboy (What always made the state a hell has been that man tried to make it heaven-Hoelderlin)
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To: TexasGreg

Agreed. I read somewhere that the symbols of Sukkot depictions on the cover suggest they were probably related to the Bar Kochba Revolt or could be the secret writings of the Talmudic mystic Shimon bar Yachai.


29 posted on 03/29/2011 2:10:54 PM PDT by propertius (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscripti catapultas habebunt)
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To: TexasGreg

The code too would suggest the codices are Kabbalist, though early Christians did use code too, of course.


30 posted on 03/29/2011 2:12:39 PM PDT by propertius (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscripti catapultas habebunt)
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To: Elsie
I wish I could say I am sorry to disappoint, but I love the truth so I won't. I will say it's a pathetic thing to say about anyone.
31 posted on 03/29/2011 2:18:28 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Pharmboy
From the article:

Their leaves - which are mostly about the size of a credit card - contain text in Ancient Hebrew, most of which is in code.

If the relics are of early Christian origin rather than Jewish, then they are of huge significance.

That's quite a big "If"!

Wouldn't Christian stuff be written in Greek or Aramaic?

32 posted on 03/29/2011 2:28:01 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto; Elsie
Exactly! That's what puzzled me...why not Greek...or Aramaic. I posed the question to a boyhood friend of mine (we grew up together in NYC and he married an Israeli woman 30 years ago and moved there) who has become an amateur scholar on ancient Hebrew. Here's the exchange:

ME: But please explain why those Christians/Jews at the time used ancient Hebrew...I thought that the Aramaic alphabet was used then...

Him:Right, but the replacement didn't occur suddenly; there were still those who knew and used the ancient script for some scriptural writings. Another example of this is the WaYiqrah (Levitcus) scroll that was entirely written in the ancient script and discovered along with the other Dead Sea Scrolls. Additionally, in some of the scrolls, the name of God (Yahweh) was written in the ancient script while the remainder of the texts was in Aramaic script. Finally, all the coins minted by Bar Cokhbah had the ancient script engraved on them.

Nowadays, in commemoration of these coins, the Israeli one shekel and ten shekel coins have a bit of the ancient script engraved on them.

Back to me:Perhaps they used the ancient script to give it more gravity.

33 posted on 03/29/2011 3:08:28 PM PDT by Pharmboy (What always made the state a hell has been that man tried to make it heaven-Hoelderlin)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
And we have people who can translate them without seer stones and they are NOT in “reformed Egyptian”.

It seems that we havew a DOUBTER here!!


The "Caractors" are the only tangible evidence in existence related to Smith's story. No gold plates, no brass plates, no peep stones, no Urim and Thummim... only these "Caractors," not a single one of which is in the purported languages.

 

Smith's translation of the Caractors. According to Martin Harris (Joseph Smith - History, 1:64), "I went to the city of New York, and presented the characters which had been translated, with the translation thereof, to Professor Charles Anthon, a gentleman celebrated for his literary attainments. Professor Anthon stated that the translation was correct, more so than any he had before seen translated from the Egyptian. I then showed him those which were not yet translated,* and he said they were Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic; and he said they were true characters."

Speak right up now in all truthfulness. Isn't it revealing how Smith started out making a stab at creating believable "caractors" but quckly gave up and produced nothing but squiggles, ending up wih a series of nothing more than crude little scribbles? Yet Professor Anthon supposedly translated them!

*Harris must have had two or three pieces of paper with him—one with characters and a translation of them (on the same paper or a separate one) and one with untranslated characters—quite likely the "Caractors." Some Mormon "scholars" have gone out on a limb, sawed it off, and knocked themselves out trying to translate from these true Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic characters a segment that would correspond with a verse from 1 Nephi.


Modern-day experts in Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic. In 1829, any knowledge of these languages possessed by U.S. scholars would have been rudimentary at best. Expertise in them has vastly improved since then. So go ahead, do it. Get any modern expert in these languages to identify which of these "Caractors" are Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac and Arabic. Better still, accept the claim of Mormon apologists that Anthon did indeed so testify and that his appraisal of the Caractors was correct. (Op. cit, pp. 73-75)

Save your money! Samples of Assyriac/Aramaic and Arabic writing:



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What say you? Which of Smith's "Caractors" resemble the Assyriac and Arabic ones? No need to pay experts for their analysis. A child could accurately check this out. These writing systems have remained constant for well over 3000 years.


34 posted on 03/29/2011 3:23:54 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Pharmboy

And to run through the woods carry a big thing like that, while being chased, is a superhuman trick as well!


35 posted on 03/29/2011 3:25:43 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DelphiUser
I will say it's a pathetic thing to say about anyone.

Someday MY responses will cease, and you all can assume that what has happened to me.

I won't be offended as easily.

36 posted on 03/29/2011 3:27:17 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DelphiUser
I will say it's a pathetic thing to say about anyone.

Would you prefer, "Look what the cat drug in!"?

37 posted on 03/29/2011 3:28:13 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: jjotto
Wouldn't Christian stuff be written in Greek or Aramaic?

Remember, "We heard them all in our OWN language!"


(Maybe it is written in Reformed Berean.)

38 posted on 03/29/2011 3:29:44 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Pharmboy
Perhaps they used the ancient script to give it more gravity.

Like GOD told Joseph Smith to use 1611 English in the BoM to give IT more; uh; gravity.

39 posted on 03/29/2011 3:31:16 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Ah yes! Here it is!


40 posted on 03/29/2011 3:35:26 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Visit the TOMMY FRANKS MILITARY MUSEUM in HOBART, OK. I did, well worth it!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
***The authenticity of this method of storing records in no way validates the Records found in America,***
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain! (Of course they don't dear, no amount of evidence will ever prove anything true if you don't want it to.

I see your sarcasm but at least THESE LEAD plates are in our hot little hands, not like some so-called golden plates.

Really? so you have them personally?

OK, so some guy told you they exist, and you believed him... Got it.

Hey is this guy a christian? Does he even acknowledge Christ as his savior? No? But you believe him, over people who acknowledge Jesus, and are in fact Christians.

And we have people who can translate them without seer stones and they are NOT in “reformed Egyptian”.

So you'll believe a scholar over a man of God? What if they say "the Book of Mormon is true" where does that leave you? What if these documents support the Book of Mormon? Will you throw them under the bus?

As to the translating bit, the Rosetta Stone was not found until 1799, translation started in 1815, so in 1827 when Joseph Smith obtained the plates the Rosetta stone was neither accepted science nor well known.

The fact that the objections to the history and culture, geography and general scholarship of the book of Mormon ignore facts, supporting evidence and archeology are predictable.

My Dad taught me that "A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still" So I know I'm not going to change your mind with facts.

Just in case anyone does care, A language referred to as reformed Egyptian used in America before Columbus, The Dead Sea Scrolls & Book of Mormon - Parallels The Lachish Letters: Archaeological Bullseye for the Book of Mormon
They actually match up more perfectly than anything in the Bible and outside archaeological discoveries. The Lachish Letters are nigh unto perfect for archaeological proof that Joseph Smith was *not* kidding when he said the BofM was real history.
Lastly, this is what it's like to have a conversation with an anti "Why can't Mormons send flowers?

Not gonna waste any more time on this "Argument" on what is supposed to be a political site, but now has had to be removed from my kids white list.

Delph
41 posted on 03/29/2011 3:36:58 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: DelphiUser

DU is BACK!!

And his flurry of words will now overwhelm us all!


42 posted on 03/29/2011 3:46:37 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
DU: I will say it's a pathetic thing to say about anyone.

LC: Someday MY responses will cease, and you all can assume that what has happened to me.

I won't be offended as easily.


You presume to matter enough for me to take offense, you presume too much.

No time to play with tar babies today been way to busy with a new project.

Delph
43 posted on 03/29/2011 3:46:45 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: DelphiUser
But you believe him, over people who acknowledge Jesus, and are in fact Christians. using the name of CHRIST in vain.
44 posted on 03/29/2011 3:47:53 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DelphiUser
The fact that the objections to the history and culture, geography and general scholarship of the book of Mormon ignore facts, supporting evidence and archeology are predictable.

And the FACTS that support ANYTHING about MORMONism are not to be found anywhere.

Where IS the 'supporting evidence' and 'archeology' should be found all over Hill Cumorah?

Where ARE the massive cites?

Where ARE the 'mouldering' bones?

Why ARE the SLC 'mormons' failing to obey their GOD?

45 posted on 03/29/2011 3:51:16 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DelphiUser
As to the translating bit, the Rosetta Stone was not found until 1799, translation started in 1815, so in 1827 when Joseph Smith obtained the plates the Rosetta stone was neither accepted science nor well known. it is well documented that JOSEPH SMITH did NOT 'translate' ANYTHING!

He used a method of spirit writing; placing his FACE IN A HAT and dictating what he SAW to a stenographer!

46 posted on 03/29/2011 3:53:57 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DelphiUser

47 posted on 03/29/2011 3:55:35 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DelphiUser
You presume to matter enough for me to take offense, you presume too much.

You are PATHETIC!

48 posted on 03/29/2011 3:56:40 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: DelphiUser

***As to the translating bit, the Rosetta Stone was not found until 1799, translation started in 1815, so in 1827 when Joseph Smith obtained the plates the Rosetta stone was neither accepted science nor well known.****

But now we DO have it! And LOOK AT THIS from the BOOK OF ABRAHAM!

From the REAL papyrus of Abraham ...Verses 1-5

http://www.bookofabraham.com/boamathie/BOA_6.html

(I/1) [”Osiris, the god’s father], prophet of Amon-Re, King of the Gods, prophet of Min who slaughters his enemies, prophet of Khonsu, the [one who exercises] authority in Thebes,
(I/2) [. . .] . . . Hor, the justified, son of the similarly titled overseer of secrets and purifier of the god, Osorwer, the justified, born by the [housewife and sistrum-player of ]
(I/3) [Amon]-Re, Taikhibit, the justified! May your ba-spirit live among them, and may you be buried on the west [of Thebes].”
(I/4) [”O Anubis(?),51 . . .] justification(?).
(I/5) [May you give to him] a good and splendid burial on the west of Thebes as on the mountains of Ma[nu](?).”
[Osiris shall be towed in]to the great lake of Khonsu,
and likewise [the Osiris Hor, the justified,] born of Taikhibit, the justified,
after his two arms have been [placed] at his heart, while
the Breathing Document, being what
is written on its interior and exterior, shall be wrapped in royal linen and placed (under) his left arm in the midst of his heart. The remainder of his
wrapping shall be made over it. As for the one for whom this book is made,
he thus breathes like the ba-spirit[s] of the gods, forever and ever.

Yessirie! Old JOE was really on the ball!


49 posted on 03/29/2011 4:01:02 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Visit the TOMMY FRANKS MILITARY MUSEUM in HOBART, OK. I did, well worth it!)
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To: Elsie
How? That demonic deception didn't appear until centuries later.

Any archaeological proof that Jewish and/or Christian theology, as described in the Scriptures, pre-dates the Muslim baloney is a direct threat to their big lies (the Bible is corrupted, the Koran is the true holy book, Jesus was a prophet, etc.).

And they know it. It's why they destroy Jewish archaeological sites and artifacts.

50 posted on 03/29/2011 4:31:17 PM PDT by Dr. Sheldon Cooper (If Mohammed were alive today, he wouldn’t be allowed to live within 1000 yards of a school.)
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