What got the USA into WW1? ZOT needed.

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[freepguy]

I'm trying to get the facts that show why the USA got into WW1. As I can tell, Wilson was president. The US was neutral...did not want to get involved. Britian and the Allied Powers were losing the war against the Central Powers. The Balfour Declaration promised a Jewish state in Palestine. The Lusitana was armed and ordered to attack German U-boats. Propaganda was created to convince American populace that Germany needed to be conqered.

Can anyone help me get more info on the subject?

Thanks. FG

[CougarGA7]

I have not read that particular book but do hope to get to it eventually.

[Publius6961]

Wrong-O there Pubic6961. The Belfor Decleration was huge in WW1. The Zionist Movement in America was real. The Zionist movement in Britian was real. The first Jew to be named to the Supreme Court in 1916 was nominated by pres Wilson...WAS REAL! The US entered WW1 in 1917.
I suggest you do some study and connect the dots.

I should take advice from an ignorant and illiterate idiot?

First of all it is spelled Balfour; And I could already spell "declaration" correctly in the fifth grade.
The Declaration was issued in November 1917, more than three years into WW1, and a year before the war finally ended. One would think that if the Zionists were manipulating American entry into a world war and it was a "big deal" it might have been more effective to do it sooner.

Justice Brandeis was appointed because he was a damned progressive socialist. Wilson chose him for that reason, and for brilliance in the field of law, rather than his "Jewishness." Of course I can appreciate how difficult that must be for a retarded muslim to understand.
Unfortunately, Britain, where Zionism was much more active, and where the Declaration originated, did not implement the intent of the Declaration for another 32 years! That's quite an influential group, those Zionists, LOL.

In the meantime, oil became the center of the political universe and Israel was created to fail, to please the Arab/muslim masters*, but that's another story entirely.

I don't have time for further spelling lessons, but if you need more actual history, we can exchange reference libraries. Your collection seems to be weighted a bit much towards the Nazi-Totalitarian direction.

*"I summon my blue-eyed slaves anytime it pleases me. I command the Americans to send me their bravest soldiers to die for me. Anytime I clap my hands a stupid genie called the American ambassador appears to do my bidding. When the Americans die in my service their bodies are frozen in metal boxes by the US Embassy and American airplanes carry them away, as if they never existed. Truly, America is my favorite slave."
King Fahd Bin Abdul-Aziz, Jeddeh 1993

[Publius6961]

I’ve got about 7hrs of research so far, pal. You’re contribution is noted. Have another drink.

Seven whole hours?
And you show up at Free Republic two months ago and presume to teach adults with thousands of hours of learning history ----- about history?

Perhaps a few hundred more hours of studying spelling might enhance your credibility.
It will all become clear when you reach high school.

Good Luck.

[taxesareforever]

Sounds legit to me.

[kearnyirish2]

I had indicated to the person who had originally asked for WWI info that it could be interpreted many ways; this bears that out. I understand your points, but don’t think they make the case that Germany had anything to gain through the war, or even had any real hope of winning it (at the start).

Britain’s army was much larger than indicated; after using it to seize Germany’s colonies (which I’m sure Germany knew it couldn’t defend), it then used colonial troops against the Central Powers themselves. It was their empire that was most threatened by Germany’s rise, and their building of a navy.

I don’t believe Jews had any role in the war other than to support whatever country they happened to live in (like any other citizens of those countries) - I’ve never seen/read anything to indicate otherwise.

[freepguy]

“You asked about the role of Zionism in STARTING WWI and it had no role in that.”

I didn’t mean to suggest that Zionism had anything to do with STARTING WW1. Rather, what role it played in GETTING THE USA into the war.

Britian was losing and desperately wanted the mighty USA fighting on her side.

The Brits promised the Zionists Palestine. Why would they do that?? Because the Zionists promised the Brits that they’d get the USA to enter the war.

The Zionists have wanted that land and Jeruselem for 1600 years. They were willing to do anything to get it and now they had a chance.

Read the Balfor Decleration. Its addressed to LORD ROTHSCHILD.

I’ve done a lot of digging. The amount of anti-German propoganda that was created prior to the US entering the war is staggering. http://smoter.com/america’.htm

Up till then German was the 2nd language in the US.

[freepguy]

It takes you 1000’s of hours to research and conclude what it took to get the USA into WW1? Kinda slow don’t you think? Especially with the internet as the search tool.

Here’s how I did it. I started by investigating the 1961 speech of Benjamin H. Freedman. I thought it was anti semetic garbage at first. I used Wikipedia to verify every name and date that Freedman referred to. I investigated Freedman’s bio. I was/am shocked to find that everything he said is verifiable...completely true. The Brits had Palestine. The Zionists wanted Palestine. The Brits wanted the USA in the war. The Zionists made a deal with the Brits to give them Palestine if they could get the USA into the war. Wilson was president. His friend Brandeis was the first Jew in the Supreme court and he was a dedicated Zionist. Please, look it up yourself.

America went from neutral to anti-German in the course of 2 years. People in America that spoke out against entry into the war were persecuted, even jailed. The propoganda machine that went into action staggers the mind. Look it up or look here: http://smoter.com/america’.htm

Verify the footnotes for yourself. Or better yet, proove it wrong. You cant do it!

[freepguy]

Ok man. Lets try to keep the personal attacks out of this? Think we can do that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMahon%E2%80%93Hussein_Correspondence#The_territorial_reservations

The McMahon–Hussein Correspondence, or the Hussein-McMahon Correspondence, was a protracted exchange of letters (July 14, 1915 to January 30, 1916)[1] during World War I, between the Sharif of Mecca, Husayn bin Ali, and Sir Henry McMahon, British High Commissioner in Egypt, concerning the future political status of the lands under the Ottoman Empire. The Arab side was already looking toward a large revolt (which did not eventuate) against the Ottoman Empire and the British encouraged the Arabs to revolt and thus hamper the Ottoman Empire, which had become a German ally in the War after November 1914.[2]

The plans to get Palestine were laid years before the Balfour Declaration was agreed to and then printed.

And I agree with you about not having time to debate this thing with you. I think I’m right and you think you’re right. But, I’ve got to side with what I read on Wikipedia and other sources that confirm the material rather than your emotionally charged opinions.

[arrogantsob]

Zionists had little to no role in getting the US into the war either.

I already explained why Britain put out the Balfour declaration. Turkey controlled Palestine and Turkey was an ally of Germany. Britain was fighting German allies all over the Middle East. It was hoping for Jewish help against the German allies.

Zionism was of trivial importance in the US political landscape. It also was not responsible for the anti-German propaganda which was also mostly true.

[SunkenCiv]

IBTZ.

Benjamin H. Freedman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_H._Freedman

[snip] Freedman, an apostate Jew, was well known to the Anti-Defamation League and the American Jewish Committee as an active supporter of the Arab cause in the Middle East. (fn 33) In the course of his erratic and often contradictory testimony before the Senate committee, Freedman revealed the roles played by anti-Semitic agitators and right-wing anticommunists — including Gerald L.K. Smith, Conde McGinley, the “Reverend” Wesley Swift, Congressman John Rankin, Senator Joseph McCarthy, and J.B. Matthews — in the campaign against the Rosenberg appointment. (fn 34)[6] [/snip]

[rmlew]

We had Germany conduct unrestricted submarine warfare, sinking many, many ships, the Lusitania being only one of these. Some of these ships were armed, as opposed to say the British fishing fleet, which Germany also attacked.
We had German saboteurs attacking American companies when they worked for on projects for the Triple Entente. And we had a German germ warfare campaign against cattle and horses. But the coup was the Zimmerman telegram.

Germany tried its hand at disrupting many countries. It pushed genral jihad against the British. It tried to get the Irish to raise up. And it tried to get many different people's under the Russian heel to rise up.

Don't know what is wrong with your brain that you feel a need to blame Jews. Germany used ties with Germans and Irish in America to keep the US out of the war. And Central Power Jews volunteered to fight. Which is more than I can say for those in Czarist Russia. And before you play the silly Judeo-Bolshevik line, it was the German High Command that financed the Bolsheviks and helped them enter Russia.

I had a grandfather and a great-grandfather fight in this war. My father's father was an officer in the Austro-Hungarian army. He and his cousins volunteered out of patriotic loyalty to a government they served for generations. My maternal grandfather's father was drafted in the Czarist army to fight for a regime that persecuted him.

[rmlew]

Stop using logic with the newbie troll

[Eva]

I'm reading a book right now, called, The History of the Jews by Paul Johnson. I decided to read it after reading a WSJ book review on another book that was released by Paul Johnson. The reviewer said that Johnson is a conservative historian who writes short, readable histories, my kind of history book. I did a search for Kindle versions and decided on the history of the Jews because it so relevant to today's events. I haven't gotten very far, but I highly recommend it. It starts with Abraham and ties historical records to Biblical history. For instance the first document of any Jew owning property is the record of Abraham's purchase of land on which to live and bury his wife, Sarah. I bet the Palestinians can't beat that for historical ownership.

[rmlew]

Did the Zionist movement in america have anything to with it? I’m just trying to get different opinions.
1. No it didn't. Us entry into WW1 April 6, 1917 Balfour declaration 11/2/1917
2. No, you are not trying to get different opinions. You are pushing an antisemitic historically-inaccurate agenda with a pathetic fig leaf.

[rmlew]

Archduke Franz Ferdinand had a solution. He wanted to give Slavs, or at least Croatians, equal footing with Germans and Hungarians. That is why he was killed.

[rmlew]

Your analysis ignores Slav nationalism. And the Black Hand was ntoa German invention. It was a group of Serb radical, which had killed the previous Serb King, who was deemed too pro-German. The Czar and Russian nobles used Slavophilia as a dominant ideology to justify their regime. This lead them inexorably to push for the destruction of Austria-Hungary. It was Russia, which wanted war.

[rmlew]

The Belfor Decleration was huge in WW1. The Zionist Movement in America was real. BR< True. I think John Adams was the first US President to call of a Jewish state.

The first Jew to be named to the Supreme Court in 1916 was nominated by pres Wilson...WAS REAL! The US entered WW1 in 1917.
The Supreme Court doesn't declare war; Congress does. And it did so in April 1917. The Balfour Declaration came in November 1917. You are an ignorant antisemite.

[rmlew]

I’m just doing research on what got the US into WW1.
No you aren't. You ignore the timeline and don't know basic fact. Such as the fact that the Ottoman Empire joined an alliance with Germany on August 2, 1914. In October, the Ottomans attached Russia. That is why Britain declared war on the Ottomans, 3 years before Zionism became an issue.

[rmlew]

You arent’t doing research. (I’ve proven you don’t know basic facts) You are just spreading antisemitic propaganda. How long will it be before you blame the assassination of Franz Ferdinand on Jews and call of the Holocaust a Hoax, given the crap you quote?

[rmlew]

Freedman was an apostate who made a career of attacking Jews. His lies on the Khazar theory are White Nationalist dogma these days. Whence you affinity for his lies?