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Can We Prevent a Second Civil War?
JPFO ^ | 2011 | Kirby Ferris

Posted on 04/29/2011 9:26:36 AM PDT by marktwain

There are three issues that could presently trigger a Civil War in America:

* Illegal aliens. A government that refuses to protect our borders, the methodical structure of citizenship, and the rule of law, will only be tolerated for so long. America is reaching a tipping point on this issue.

* Abortion. Irreconcilable differences here. This may likely become as potent an issue as slavery was in the 1860s.

* The right to keep and bear arms - see "2A Today for The USA"

No other significant present day problems could potentially result in the “brother against brother” tragedy of a Second American Civil War.

Sooner or later, the massive invasion of America by illegal aliens will be confronted, if not by the rule of law then by either armed police officers and soldiers … or armed citizens. There are twenty million or more illegal aliens entrenched in this nation now. How many tens of millions more will it take to reach a tipping point? At what point will law enforcement agencies and/or the military begin to do the job they were sworn to do? At what point will citizens themselves be forced, by government inactivity, to confront this invasion by force of arms?

Will the liberal politicians actually allow this showdown? Is this actually the sort of crisis opportunism that Obama’s Rahm Immanuel, and other leftist cultural Marxists, relish?

As an American, and a gun owner, would you take to the street to confront this illegal alien invasion? Do you have a personal breaking point on this issue?

I won’t deal with abortion here, except to note that the anti-abortion forces have the same moral intensity and personal commitment that was demonstrated by the slavery abolitionists of the nineteenth century. We saw where that led in America.

However, there is a third possible cause of a Second American Civil War: infringement of the right to keep and bear arms.

This nation’s Second Amendment freedoms have too long been burdened with the lethargic, tunnel vision behavior of the gun owners known as “Elmer Fudds”, or, as Aaron Zelman used to call them “quackers”. This is the “good ole’ boy” type who simply doesn’t care about gun registrations, permits, regulations, or even confiscations, as long as he can keep his deer rifle or shotgun and exercise his “sportin’ rights”. This myopic fellow can be bought off for the price of a buck tag or duck license. Even Senator Chuck Schumer is a “Fudd”! “I ain’t gonna take your shotguns away, fellas!”

On the other side of the room from the Fudds is the “Cold Dead Fingers” crowd. A lot of tough talk over in that camp. A lot of arm chair patriotism and rhetorical heat. A lot of “let ‘em try to take my guns!” chest puffing. But somewhere at the core of this quite large group of gun owners is a determined minority that does really mean it.

I would assert that every single one of these very determined armed Americans has some idea, deep in his or her heart, as to what their personal “line in the sand” actually is. When it comes to this amorphous, mostly low profile, group, the hammer is cocked. These folks are getting to be known as the “Three Percenters”.

What the cultural Marxists, elitists, and authoritarians who advocate “gun control” (read "Know Thine Enemy") don’t seem to be able to grasp is the strange fact that a significant minority of human beings are willing to fight ferociously to preserve their freedoms. This irascible minority has yet to be awakened to action. But they’re sleeping with one eye open.

The attacks on the Second Amendment have, since 1934, been so gradual and incremental that the victim disarmament forces have prevailed to an amazing degree. They hear the loud complaints of gun owners, then make strategic “compromises” with other compromisers, and then, sure as day, there’s another gun regulation, permit process, limitation, restriction, tax burden, or license needed for each of us to exercise an unalienable right that, according to the American Bill of Rights, “shall not be infringed”.

Makes me think of the laughs I got as a kid when, in the Bugs Bunny cartoons, Elmer Fudd’s head turned into a big “SUCKER” when Bugs had tricked him once again. What also comes to mind is Charlie Brown and Lucy with her football, the football, that, to my knowledge, Charlie Brown was never able to kick. Only, unlike the comics, few of us are smiling about this. This could become deadly serious. Because the sneaking vermin cannot be allowed to win.

What must be obvious to any truly concerned American gun owner is that we absolutely must take EVERY action afforded us to prevent a Second American Civil War. This means that gun owners must become far more personally involved. Gun owners have to really grow fangs and learn to “snarl” in a societal and political sense. Wake up! You are the “gun lobby” these insidious liars and manipulators complain about! Remind them of that in every lawful way that you can.

Do you want to remain completely anonymous, but still help? A blank postal money order sent to GOA, SAF or JPFO works just fine, thanks.

We have to learn how to warn these gun prohibitionists off with unrelenting determination. When we gain a political victory or legal victory like the Heller or McDonald cases, we must be willing to dig into our own pockets and financially support those who truly won those victories, so that they may drive forward and win another, and another, with relentless momentum.

Political activism doesn’t need to cost much at all, especially in this day and age of email and unlimited phone calling plans. If you can’t afford to donate money to a Second Amendment organization, write the letters, send the emails, and make the phone calls in support of our gun rights. Talk to your gun owner friends and neighbors. Don’t let them remain Fudds or Quackers!

Or, when you hear “They ain’t gonna get my guns!”, ask that person how he or she is going to stop them. Don’t let this kind of chest puffing go unquestioned. Ask the arm chair warrior what he or she is doing now, today, to PREVENT that horror. If the question makes them uncomfortable it should! It won’t be Chuck Norris, Sly Stallone or Arnold coming through with minor flesh wounds, friends. A Second American Civil War will not be played out on a Hollywood set. You won’t be able to get up and leave the theater.

We need to prevent that war before it happens. How can we best do so? By preserving our right to keep and bear arms. Contribute to JPFO today and help us to protect that right. So called “gun control” must be completely destroyed. We must restore the pre-1934 state of affairs to America. Join JPFO today.

Frequent JPFO contributor and strategist, Kirby Ferris collaborated intensively with Aaron Zelman over the last two years. Ferris is now the Public Affairs Director of JPFO.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: banglist; bloat; civilwar; constitution; cw2; cwii; cwiiping; donttreadonme; govtabuse; gun; illegal; insurrection; prepping; stockpilesong; taxes; tyranny
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To: super7man
WE THE PEOPLE
201 posted on 04/29/2011 6:41:04 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are .)
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To: Melas
The problem with this type of thinking is that despite a lot of blustery talk, who would know who to shoot? There are no clear boundaries, no enemy territory. You certainly can’t separate them as blue state/red state, as often the difference between them is just a few percentage points.

Probably the closest "territorial" divisions would be rural/suburban vs. urban although I do see your point where the physical boundaries are blurred to say the least. If I may though, I'm one of the John Titor enthusiasts (or nuts) where I follow that story of a supposed time traveller from 2036 where he did mention that there are a civil war where you had the rural vs. the urban side where I take it the rurals are the more conservative/libertarian and the urbans are the liberals. Later on, Titor claims the Russians and Red Chinese nuked many of our big cities our of fear and the rurals were kind of grateful to them for doing so.

It is a big mess, I know where you are coming from, but it seems like we have two basic views in this country that are 180 degrees out of phase and there is no true way to reconcile because of that. I know there are subdivisions but generally, most can fall on one side or the other. Maybe a third way is not a Civil War with a bang but the country falls apart as a result of economic collapse, in a whimper if you will and it would take us to rebuild it along with some on the other side who will hopefully wise up.
202 posted on 04/29/2011 6:44:15 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: ctdonath2

“After the first one, the rest are free”


203 posted on 04/29/2011 7:06:04 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are .)
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To: Molon Labbie
The failed War on Drugs has led many police departments to adopt a more military approach to attempting to stop the drug trade, organization, and crime associated with it. This had led to more Swat raids that are not stopping the drug trade, and when mistakes are made, sometimes innocent people are paying the price. This is frightening and angering the US citizens and are turning them against the police. This needs to end. NOW. Swat raids should be a rarity, and only for violent individuals that cannot be taken into custody in other less intrusive and tumultous manner.

Folks, I would rather explain to a thousand grieving family members that their loved one died of a self induced overdose, than try to justify one botched raid where a man died defending his home. Or another police funeral for an officer who died trying to fight this unwinnable war on drugs. Or a innocent kid or grandmother shot in a driveby done by gangmembers who are financed by the war on drugs.


I do agree there. Personally, I think the war on drugs failed and although I am not for legalization, at least for the hard stuff, I don't think on should have their lives messed up for having a little weed. We need to find another way to fight this, we need to find a way to stop our (as a country) demand for them.

The militarization of law enforcement concerns me too. Heck, one of our local township cops was parked next to me at work. I was eating lunch in my car and I looked over and I saw, a CAR-15 or M4 Carbine in his car. Myself, I'd roll back the role of SWAT back to it's original 1970's roots, to be the last resort when none other will do and that would be tightly controlled.
204 posted on 04/29/2011 7:07:32 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: super7man
And when do you stop? When do you put a new government in place? How pure is pure? Do you end up with a Stalinist leader who keeps the death squads going?

Please undersand, I am not being provocative. I have a hard time seeing how we can succeed without it ending up being worse.

I still think we have time within the system. At least until 2012.


Yeah, I think we need to address all points here. There is a side to me that says, "bring it on, let's rumble and get it over with" like the rival gangs in the 1979 movie, "The Wanderers."

Still there are a lot of complicated matters. I think for something like our side to succeed is to either have a collapse and hopefully our side is faster and better at picking up the pieces and rebuild than theirs. The other way is a group of States to secede and hopefully send a message that way. Personally, we need to use the system to put in people to defund the left, maybe that's the best way.
205 posted on 04/29/2011 7:17:14 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: super7man

I think there is one side we need to consider too is if there is some sort of CWII, what will the Rest of the World do? I’m sure there would be people in the governments of Canada, Japan, UK, France, Israel, Red China, Italy, Russia, India and so on who will be worried about who has control of our military and more importantly, our nukes. Would they send in teams to take out our nukes or push the button on us? I don’t know. Also, you have rogue nations like Iran and so on, they might want to take advantage of the chaos if the others are not strong enough to hold them on their own.


206 posted on 04/29/2011 7:21:11 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: Nowhere Man

IMO, the Courts will need a serious scrubbing with industrial level cleaners before we can attempt to rebuild. This is something that I don’t have the foggiest idea idea of how to approach. Without a fair and balanced legal system we can never obtain the freedoms and securities we dream for.


207 posted on 04/29/2011 7:27:45 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are .)
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To: ZeitgeistSurfer

Interesting You have given this some serious thought fortunately for all of us yours is only a rough outline of a very real possibility. but as the old saying goes “There is more than one way to skin a cat besides sticking its head in a boot jack & yanking on the tail”.


208 posted on 04/29/2011 7:28:57 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: B4Ranch; Melas
IMO, the Courts will need a serious scrubbing with industrial level cleaners before we can attempt to rebuild. This is something that I don’t have the foggiest idea idea of how to approach. Without a fair and balanced legal system we can never obtain the freedoms and securities we dream for.

I know what you mean. The Courts are part of the problem too. Sometimes I wonder if we would be better off with a "draft" where regular people like you and me are randomly selected to do "judge duty" for a day or two each week for a year or two. Then again, with our education system as what it is, it might not make a difference in today's world.

One thing I am afraid of is that this is a huge roll of the dice where the lines are blurred, with the possible exception of rural/suburban vs. urban. I can see all points here, even the naysayers and yes, their views are valid too. The sad thing is that I do see some sort of thing erupting, it is like a college professor of mine (actually he seemed a bit libertarian) saw it like "a car going downhill with no brakes and there is a telephone pole at the end of the hill."

I leave it at this: I'll be 45 in July. I have to worry about my mother and 4 cats and would defend them if I had to. I also pray to God that if anything happens, He gives me the wisdom to protect them and do the right thing. I only have a .22LR rifle, I guess it is better than nothing, I'm of limited means. Most likely, soon, I'll be driving a 26 year old car, hopefully a 1985 Cutlass Ciera would look good in camo, at least the 2.5L Iron Duke is an easier engine to fix. B-) Probably my value would be is I can fix electronics and radios, limited on cars and I'm an amateur radio operator. I guess if my State would secede on the right side or if I go to a State that does, I'd probably would be best at lending my support in the rear areas with my skills and/or radio and computer communications skills, but I want to make sure my family is taken care of first.

I often wonder where we would be today if McCain was elected? I hope we can avert a lot of this in next year's election.
209 posted on 04/29/2011 7:47:12 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: Nowhere Man
I know what you mean. The Courts are part of the problem too. Sometimes I wonder if we would be better off with a "draft" where regular people like you and me are randomly selected to do "judge duty" for a day or two each week for a year or two. Then again, with our education system as what it is, it might not make a difference in today's world.

Nah, they get a lot of bad press, but in real life your typical judge just guides things along. The real problem is the law. There must be 6 trillion pages of it. It needs to be scrapped and built anew.

No matter where you might stand on marijuana, I think everyone can agree there is something seriously wrong when a man in (forget the state) is facing more prison time for sharing a joint with a teenager than he would be looking at had he forcibly raped that same teenager. State legislatures are even worse than congress when it comes to special interests and cause celebres.

Hell in Texas, it's often jokingly said that you'll spend more time in jail for leaving a dog in a hot car than a child, and it's not far from the truth.

My son who is 19, was having words with the homosexual brother of a girlfriend a while back. I had to tell him to back off, because if he hurt a gay kid, among other things his picture might be plastered all over the newspaper.

T

210 posted on 04/29/2011 8:03:33 PM PDT by Melas
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To: ZeitgeistSurfer

That’s all very plausible to me. That’s the America described in my new novel.


211 posted on 04/29/2011 8:21:45 PM PDT by Travis McGee ("Castigo Cay" will be out in a few weeks.)
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To: Balata

That’s the plot of my blue book, back at 156.


212 posted on 04/29/2011 8:28:10 PM PDT by Travis McGee ("Castigo Cay" will be out in a few weeks.)
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To: Yet_Again

That is exactly National Socialist. It is a tactic preferred by the likes of Obama pal Hugo Chavez.


213 posted on 04/29/2011 8:29:54 PM PDT by Travis McGee ("Castigo Cay" will be out in a few weeks.)
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To: redgolum
I'm putting them all on Kindle in the next month or so. Starting with Castigo Cay to try to get it out around the same time as the first print edition.


214 posted on 04/29/2011 8:32:45 PM PDT by Travis McGee ("Castigo Cay" will be out in a few weeks.)
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To: Professional Engineer

A lot of the 53 are just trying to figure out a way to cross over to the moocher side.


215 posted on 04/29/2011 8:37:11 PM PDT by Travis McGee ("Castigo Cay" will be out in a few weeks.)
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To: Melas; B4Ranch

Be clear, he’s discussing hypothetical civil war tactic, applicable at various times in Russia, Spain, Bosnia etc etc etc. He’s not recommending something to do next week, capiche?


216 posted on 04/29/2011 8:39:51 PM PDT by Travis McGee ("Castigo Cay" will be out in a few weeks.)
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To: stockpirate; CodeToad

181 shows a very plausible chronology. Worth study.


217 posted on 04/29/2011 8:41:30 PM PDT by Travis McGee ("Castigo Cay" will be out in a few weeks.)
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To: B4Ranch

I don’t think the same solutions will work everywhere, or work evenly. I think the USA will break into regions, giving federal lip service only. The NE might remain left/socialist, etc. Sort of like my 3rd book.


218 posted on 04/29/2011 8:44:00 PM PDT by Travis McGee ("Castigo Cay" will be out in a few weeks.)
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To: Travis McGee

Yes I agree nice list.

check out this thread, you may have seen it already.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2712672/posts


219 posted on 04/29/2011 8:54:03 PM PDT by stockpirate (If they vote for socialism, support socialists, they're socialists duh....Ech bin ein Paliner)
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To: stockpirate

The only thing that prevents them from going full-out USSR/Cuba/Venezuela is the thought of the 2nd Amd shitstorm that would come flying back at them.

That pesky 2nd Amd is really a thorn in the side of the would-be tyrants.


220 posted on 04/29/2011 8:56:52 PM PDT by Travis McGee ("Castigo Cay" will be out in a few weeks.)
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