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Concerns came early in U.S.-Mexico gun sting, lawmakers say
reuters.com ^ | 19 July, 2011 | Jeremy Pelofsky

Posted on 07/20/2011 4:38:06 AM PDT by marktwain

(Reuters) - An Arizona gun dealer balked at continuing to sell weapons in a sting operation meant to track arms flowing to drug cartels in Mexico as early as December 2009, Republican lawmakers said on Monday.

Two guns sold in the operation, dubbed "Fast and Furious", ended up almost exactly a year later at the crime scene where a U.S. Border Patrol agent died in a shootout with illegal immigrants trying to cross into the United States.

The sting operation is becoming a major headache for the Justice Department, which oversees the ATF and prosecutors in Arizona who ran the sting that was aimed at tracking guns to Mexican cartel leaders in hopes of nabbing them.

Republican lawmakers have accused the Justice Department of withholding for months requested documents and interviews with key officials about the program, a charge officials denied.

Representative Darrell Issa, head of the House Oversight Committee, and Charles Grassley, the senior Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, renewed their demand for documents related to December 17, 2009 meeting with a gun dealer.

They said they have evidence that the dealer was worried about a spike in sales to those reselling the guns to the cartels: a handful of buyers bought 212 guns in a few days.

"According to witnesses, that meeting was for the purpose of convincing the gun dealer to continue selling to the suspects and continue providing information to the ATF despite misgivings caused by the high volume of purchases," Issa and Grassley said in a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; castaway; conspiracy; dea; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; mexico; obama
Reuters... Things are starting to pick up.
1 posted on 07/20/2011 4:38:09 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: MestaMachine

Gunwalker ping.


2 posted on 07/20/2011 4:38:43 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Bump.


3 posted on 07/20/2011 4:41:02 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: The flash mob who wonÂ’t leave.)
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To: marktwain

...a deal will be made in a back room and all will pass.....the American people will be told all has been taken care of, and all involved were “cleared”, let’s move forward from this “distraction”
Justice is just a word used to control the people.


4 posted on 07/20/2011 4:44:02 AM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: marktwain

ping


5 posted on 07/20/2011 4:44:27 AM PDT by preacher (A government which robs from Peter to pay Paul will always have the support of Paul.)
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To: marktwain
Stupid and dangerous sting operation, politically motivated, and ultimately aimed at legal gun ownership in America. I see Holder's and Obama's hands all over it.
6 posted on 07/20/2011 4:47:38 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop Obamania in 2012)
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To: marktwain

“The sting operation is becoming a major headache for the Justice Department, which oversees the ATF and prosecutors in Arizona who ran the sting that was aimed at tracking guns to Mexican cartel leaders in hopes of nabbing them.”

We’re talking about “nabbing” people who are already guilty of multiple crimes. How would giving them guns, even if you do know the source of the guns, help “nab” people who daily commit murder and sell drugs? I’m looking for the 25 words or less sales pitch the guy who came up with Gun Walker used to get management to buy into it. I see no mechanism where this gun running scheme would help bring down the narcos. Also, the cost; 10-25 million dollars. You’d think that for that kind of money we’d be seeing a huge string of arrests. Have there been any arrests where the primary evidence was supplied by the Gun Walker program?

I suspect that this was a scheme to prove that America was the source of the guns and that therefore, to be good neighbors with Mexico, Americans would have to give up their guns.


7 posted on 07/20/2011 4:48:53 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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8 posted on 07/20/2011 4:51:43 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: marktwain

Now that roy ters has stuck its toes in the water, maybe the dam has finally been breeched. Time for the flood.


9 posted on 07/20/2011 4:55:10 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: Gen.Blather

“I suspect that this was a scheme to prove that America was the source of the guns and that therefore, to be good neighbors with Mexico, Americans would have to give up their guns.”

And to arm marxist revolutionaries south of the border to overthrow democratic governments.


10 posted on 07/20/2011 5:00:03 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: Doogle
“...a deal will be made in a back room and all will pass.....the American people will be told all has been taken care of, and all involved were “cleared”, let’s move forward from this “distraction””

I totally agree. The only thing that may change this is the fact that Mexico wants action.
Unfortunately, this could mean only another payoff.

11 posted on 07/20/2011 5:16:29 AM PDT by hans56
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To: hans56

The only thing that may change this is the fact that Mexico wants action.

that was a forgone conclusion.


12 posted on 07/20/2011 5:19:08 AM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: marktwain
This article is the type of smokescreen we can expect from the Leftwing Establishment Media - now that they think they have to cover this story at all.

Just how was this Obamanista operation "...aimed at tracking guns to Mexican cartel leaders in hopes of nabbing them" (as Reuters claims) when it provided no U.S. tracking of the weapon beyond the border and did not inform Mexico of the operation or guns entering their country?

How did it "aim at" anything but proving the guns came from the US, were transported into Mexico and were later recovered at crime scenes in Mexico? Or the only "evidence" Obamanistas needed to attack Americans' 2nd Amendment rights and to redefine the Border Problem from being about drugs, criminals & illegals from Mexico, to being about guns from the US!

How could Reuters claim "...Melson accused the Justice Department of missteps..." when his testimony actually spoke of cover-ups, lying to Congress, using federal funds and informants to buy and smuggle these weapons...? How unless they intentionally aimed to misinform?

13 posted on 07/20/2011 5:27:24 AM PDT by drpix
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To: drpix; Joe Brower; Travis McGee; marktwain
This article is the type of smokescreen we can expect from the Leftwing Establishment Media - now that they think they have to cover this story at all.

Yeah really.

To add to what you highlighted, this stood out for me when I read the OP.

Republican lawmakers have accused the Justice Department of withholding for months requested documents and interviews with key officials about the program, a charge officials denied.

The cheap whore reporter frames it as if there's two sides of the issue - Issa and Co. have "accused" "officials" of a "charge" that said officials have "denied."

It's an objective FACT of life (not an accusation) that Holder (not "officials") have outright refused to produce the requested documents. That the documents haven't been produced can't be "denied" any more than one can deny the stars in the sky.

14 posted on 07/20/2011 6:04:21 AM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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15 posted on 07/20/2011 6:09:56 AM PDT by bcsco
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To: Gen.Blather
...........We’re talking about “nabbing” people who are already guilty of multiple crimes. How would giving them guns, even if you do know the source of the guns, help “nab” people who daily commit murder and sell drugs? I’m looking for the 25 words or less sales pitch the guy who came up with Gun Walker used to get management to buy into it. I see no mechanism where this gun running scheme would help bring down the narcos. Also, the cost; 10-25 million dollars. You’d think that for that kind of money we’d be seeing a huge string of arrests.

Good points. I'm also wondering why two of these guns were left at the scene of the one murdered agent.....why didn't the murderers take the guns with them? Maybe that's been explained somewhere, and I just haven't seen it.
16 posted on 07/20/2011 7:25:36 AM PDT by Girlene (What did the fish say when he hit a concrete wall? Dam.)
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To: MestaMachine
You have more faith in this bunch than I do.

I think the weapons were going to Hezbollah that's right across the border and the intent was to use the weapons to attack American citizens.

17 posted on 07/20/2011 8:02:19 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: marktwain
Reuters... Things are starting to pick up.

I believe this is Reuters first crack at Gun Walker.

18 posted on 07/20/2011 6:30:44 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: marktwain

bump to the top


19 posted on 07/24/2011 1:18:40 PM PDT by GOPJ (Honk if I'm paying for your car, your mortgage, and your big, fat Greek bailout - mewzilla)
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