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Frank discussion re our loss to Obama/Romney and the future direction of FR and tea party movement
Click here to pledge your support! ^ | May 4, 2012 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 05/04/2012 6:31:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

My FRiends, we might as well face the reality that we the combined pro-life conservative movement and tea party coalition have lost this round (the presidential election) in the larger battle to reclaim our constitution and our inalienable rights. Rove, Romney and the GOP-e have successfully destroyed and driven off each and every pro-life conservative tea party candidate from the race and all have surrendered to the Romney camp. It is no secret that Romney is not one of us. There is absolutely no doubt that he has never accomplished a single conservative thing in his entire political career (one term as liberal governor of liberal Massachusetts and six years campaigning for president). In Massachusetts, he undeniably championed abortion, gay rights, global warming, gun control, big government statist mandated/socialized health care programs, liberal judges, TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending, debt limit increases, etc, and even though he's recently claimed a complete reversal in political beliefs and no longer despises pro-life conservatives or the time of Reagan-Bush, I still don't trust him. He still stubbornly holds on to some of his statist beliefs, like global warming, gays in the military, RomneyCare, stimulus spending, etc, so there is no way I can vote for him or join Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Newt or any others who are endorsing him. But I will not act on my prior promises that I would actively campaign against him if he wins the nomination. Our combined movement is already torn and splintered and is going to have to be mended if we're going to have any impact whatsoever against the liberal/progressives and statists after the election. To that end I propose a TRUCE among our conservative forces during the remainder of this election cycle.

We conservatives have already lost the presidency to either the Dems or the GOP-e, and if we tear the tea party apart, if we tear the pro-life movement apart, if we tear FR apart then we lose it all. It's far more important that we re-unite and live to fight another day. Even if we can't vote for a true conservative for the presidency, it's doubly important that we all turn out on election day or sooner and drag our friends, neighbors, relatives, co-workers, etc, to the polls to vote straight conservative for every slot on our ballots. The only way we can win our freedom back is to vote out the liberal progressives and vote in as many liberty loving conservatives as is humanly possible into every elected office at every level of government all across this great land. To prevent a total loss to the dems or GOP-e, we must continue the tea party rebellion into November and beyond. Whatever else you may do, you must turn out and vote straight tea party conservative down ticket!!

We must continue expanding our inroads into the state houses and into every elective office in the land. We must continue building on our majority in the house and we must retake the senate!! We must help the conservative governors and state legislatures to fully restore the ninth and tenth amendments and reclaim the real political power away from the federal usurpers and return it to the states and the people per the constitution!! This way, regardless of who wins the presidency, we can cut his unconstitutional expansionist movements off at the knees. And if any executive, civil officer or judge dares commit impeachable offenses, we must hold the majorities so we can impeach and remove them from office!!

And we must salvage and rebuild and continue strengthening our conservative pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-borders, pro-constitution, pro-small government, pro-defense, pro-liberty movements and our tea party coalition. And we must stop ripping each other apart!!

Therefore I hereby propose a general truce among our conservative forces!!

The Republic we save may be our own!!

As far as FR's finances go, we're in the same boat as the rest of the economy and will have to make do with what we can raise. Fortunately, the big debts we ran up a couple years ago have been paid off. We borrowed approx $20,000 a few years ago from two FReepers to fund our national convention, plus we ran up another $20,000 in legal fees during the last couple of years fighting off Righthaven. But those are now behind us and paid off. We also did quite a bit of traveling each year for the last three years on cross country tea party tours, but I think we can now cut that back and remove it from our budget requirements. If we're fortunate enough to not incur any additional legal costs or equipment costs (other than what we've already planned), and cut the travel and a few other areas, we should be able to tighten our belts enough to weather the storm even if we fail to reach our short term fundraising goals.

Whatever the outcome of the elections, we are prepared to roar into 2013 with the tea party chewing up liberal/progressives and RINOs and raising hell in our never ending fight for liberty!!

We are the resistance!!

Let's take the enemy head-on instead of fighting each other!!

Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!!


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To: Dudoight

You are ABSOLUTELY right!


301 posted on 05/04/2012 8:43:52 AM PDT by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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To: SAWTEX

I need the ability to donate with a visa debit as that is the only plastic I use.
___________________
That’s all we use and I am a monthly donor. You just fill out the form as if it were a credit card.


302 posted on 05/04/2012 8:46:09 AM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: cajunangel

All I can chime in and add is that this is the best true conservative site out there. It is the only site on the entire internet where I feel free to express my disdain for that sucker Romney and him “winning” the GOP nomination, so the emdia has crowned him, that is 100% conservative. The rest of the sites have become fearful of critics of the GOP plantation and are just aiming fire at Obama when they should be plotting what to do to stop Romney while there remains a slim chance. Fine, but it is not right to lie for and support Romney, in my opinion.

Not only that but this site supports or has supporters of the birther issue which I have come to agree with.

In my view, most of the so-called conservatives on certain sites are not really that conservative, but just republican. Otherwise, Romney would have been laughed off stage. Obama is bad, but Romney is as bad. So what am I to do if I dislike both with a passion. It is my right to vote third party, if I want, and I assure you that I’ll sleep better at night.

My beef with detractors of this site is how a portion of them just want a site to actively promote non-conservative candidates and issues that are not conservative and fail to understand that if they want that then they are not conservative and should go elsewhere because ther are bound to be sites open to debate and arguing or rino support and for moderates.

But this site, in my opinion, is just for conservatives. The ball game has changed and as it seems to me that a lot of people were divided on candidates this election cycle because it is so confusing. But, at the same time, we knew who was the moderate establishment candidate and that was Romney.

Conservative were betrayed by him and he is a man of no conviction. Therefore, we here have a right to go after him and have a right to not vote for him. None of us are re-electing Obama by voting third party or writing in a name instead we are standing on convictions. And those voting for Romney are selling their principals out, if they even were conservative at all. They help Obama win re-election by falling into Obama’s and the GOP establishment’s trap in the general.

So, in my opinion, there were a bunch of Obama people, as well as die hard Romney supporters, on this site at various times trying to demoralize the users and to promote Romney so Obama can win re-election. And looks like the 2012 election for president has become a night mare election.

I can do nothing about who gets banned, I’m just a user. But a lot of them were people who were actively breaking rules or who disagreed with this site, which happens, but they went a bit too far by promoting Rinos.

Look it has become a mess, but last thing this site would want and needs is Romneybots all over it who would be just as bad as any Obamabots. We don’t want long arguements on petty issues. At least I don’t. We are sick of the Romney Kool-aid and their promoters. Okay.

As I understand it Romney promoters are not wanted. Romney is not conservative. This is a conservative site.


303 posted on 05/04/2012 8:46:09 AM PDT by Mozilla (Constitution Party 2012)
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To: reaganaut
"It is not unquestionable, based on the number of I times we have been called ‘democrat plants’."

*sigh* Okay, I give you that one, both sides of the argument have said some stupid things, on that we agree.

304 posted on 05/04/2012 8:46:09 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: cajunangel

All I can chime in and add is that this is the best true conservative site out there. It is the only site on the entire internet where I feel free to express my disdain for that sucker Romney and him “winning” the GOP nomination, so the emdia has crowned him, that is 100% conservative. The rest of the sites have become fearful of critics of the GOP plantation and are just aiming fire at Obama when they should be plotting what to do to stop Romney while there remains a slim chance. Fine, but it is not right to lie for and support Romney, in my opinion.

Not only that but this site supports or has supporters of the birther issue which I have come to agree with.

In my view, most of the so-called conservatives on certain sites are not really that conservative, but just republican. Otherwise, Romney would have been laughed off stage. Obama is bad, but Romney is as bad. So what am I to do if I dislike both with a passion. It is my right to vote third party, if I want, and I assure you that I’ll sleep better at night.

My beef with detractors of this site is how a portion of them just want a site to actively promote non-conservative candidates and issues that are not conservative and fail to understand that if they want that then they are not conservative and should go elsewhere because ther are bound to be sites open to debate and arguing or rino support and for moderates.

But this site, in my opinion, is just for conservatives. The ball game has changed and as it seems to me that a lot of people were divided on candidates this election cycle because it is so confusing. But, at the same time, we knew who was the moderate establishment candidate and that was Romney.

Conservative were betrayed by him and he is a man of no conviction. Therefore, we here have a right to go after him and have a right to not vote for him. None of us are re-electing Obama by voting third party or writing in a name instead we are standing on convictions. And those voting for Romney are selling their principals out, if they even were conservative at all. They help Obama win re-election by falling into Obama’s and the GOP establishment’s trap in the general.

So, in my opinion, there were a bunch of Obama people, as well as die hard Romney supporters, on this site at various times trying to demoralize the users and to promote Romney so Obama can win re-election. And looks like the 2012 election for president has become a night mare election.

I can do nothing about who gets banned, I’m just a user. But a lot of them were people who were actively breaking rules or who disagreed with this site, which happens, but they went a bit too far by promoting Rinos.

Look it has become a mess, but last thing this site would want and needs is Romneybots all over it who would be just as bad as any Obamabots. We don’t want long arguements on petty issues. At least I don’t. We are sick of the Romney Kool-aid and their promoters. Okay.

As I understand it Romney promoters are not wanted. Romney is not conservative. This is a conservative site.


305 posted on 05/04/2012 8:46:17 AM PDT by Mozilla (Constitution Party 2012)
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To: EternalHope

Nothing, and I mean nothing could be more painful then voting for John McCain, which I did. I cannot stand the man. I only sidlike Obama more. McCain handed the election to Obama on a silver platter, when he knew exactly who and what Obama was, an enemy of this state of America. Even though Romney is not my choice for POTUS, he is ten times better then “traitor” John McCain.


306 posted on 05/04/2012 8:46:58 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX (My only objective is defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!)
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To: Shery

I would have loved Palin but the reality is the press would have torn her apart again. At least this go around. Everyone here would have been happy voting for her but she would have lost the general. I have no doubt she would be the nominee but the press would have been merciless. Hopefully she can build up her bona fides over the next 3 years


307 posted on 05/04/2012 8:47:01 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Jim Robinson
I really admire your post. You have said what needed to be said. Our first goal is get rid of Bambi at any cost.
I have said this on other posts but more FReeper’s need to emulate what we are doing in the Deep South. The tea party in our county is very strong.

We just took over the local Repub. Central Committee and have OUR DELEGATES going to the National Convention.
We are working our way up. WE GOT RID OF A RINO STATE SENATOR AND PUT IN A TEA PARTY SENATOR. WE GOT RID OF THE BLUE DOG DEM. WHO SUCKED ON THE GOV'T TEAT FOR 20 YEARS. WE ARE PUSHING TO GET RID OF THE TRAITOR REPUB. WHO WE REPLACED THE BLUE DOG WITH.
We are winning slowly but surely.
Ladies and Gentleman we have 100 years of crap to remove.
School Boards, Boards of Aldermen, Sheriff, Make sure they all tow the line. We are force down here and the pols. know it.
I ask Mr.Robinson if you will perhaps urge other FReepers across this great land to perhaps follow or at least give thought to what I have posted.

I am a monthly but if you can hang on for about two weeks I will be sending more for the cause.
Keep up the great work. Our country needs men like you and all FReepers.

308 posted on 05/04/2012 8:47:30 AM PDT by prof.h.mandingo (Buck v. Bell (1927) An idea whose time has come (for extreme liberalism))
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To: struggle

“I’ll vote Romney no matter what. Obama MUST lose.

I also will vote for the most conservative rep. in my district and continue the pressure on Romney in 2014 by getting rid of more GOP-e candidates”

This. I don’t like Romney but I have no doubt he is a FAR better choice than Obama. Get Obama out and then work on saddling Romney with a conservative Congress.

The truce is a good policy but it doesn’t go far enough.


309 posted on 05/04/2012 8:47:35 AM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: central_va

Hey there. You know that your Governor was born in Philadelphia, PA? It took a Northerner to save your state from yourselves.


310 posted on 05/04/2012 8:48:21 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Beagle8U

The blame (100% of it) goes to those that voted for the stupid bastard in the primaries.

- - - - -
Exactly!


311 posted on 05/04/2012 8:49:07 AM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama. Constitution party, here I come!)
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To: Gennie; MSSC6644
It's not a good question.
 
There have been thousands of threads and replies on the illegitimacy of the socially liberal Ron Paul. Jim Rob himself has made it clear many times that FURP is no option for true conservatives here at FRee Republic.
 
One of the many reasons I reject the GOP is the very idea that they would allow Mitt Romney as a serious candidate. And even worse - they allowed that POS Paul in the mix as spoiler for true conservatives like Perry, Bachmann, Newt, Cain and others.
 
I have greater respect for true Mitt-bot supporters than I will ever have for a Paultard. 


312 posted on 05/04/2012 8:49:34 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Jim Robinson; All

“But I will not act on my prior promises that I would actively campaign against him if he wins the nomination. Our combined movement is already torn and splintered and is going to have to be mended if we’re going to have any impact whatsoever against the liberal/progressives and statists after the election. To that end I propose a TRUCE among our conservative forces during the remainder of this election cycle.”

You greatly disappoint me. I WILL NOT SUPPORT ROMNEY EVER. IF you are going to back track on your promise to fight against Romney (hench the GOPe), then you are no better than Romney yourself. FR was the ONE place where PRINCIPLE was placed, by you, before pragmatism. Now you are abandoning this. I’m outta here. It isn’t worth staying around anymore. I won’t have a “truce” with persons that take the OBA attitude. A Romney administration will be no better than an Obama one. And, in fact, may be more dangerous in that GOP members will be obliged to back his play...no matter how stupid it may be.

Yes, we should elect conservative House and Senate members, but voting for Romney is a major mistake. I cannot back such nonsense.

You just drank cyanide in koolaid.


313 posted on 05/04/2012 8:49:46 AM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Jim Robinson

Im not sure who this truce is supposed to encompass? or why...

Respectfully... If this truce is meant to “save conservatism” then I think its a bit misguided. If we dont eliminate the “progressives” from within our camp, we will NEVER be able to effectively fight the “progressives” in the other camp and win the war.

If we cant fight the progressives in our party because we risk becoming ineffective... and... If we don’t fight we WILL be ineffective... I just gotta ask... WTF?

Lets just layout some primary objectives...

1. Purge GOP of “progressives” making it the safe haven for limited government type conservatives. This is the very first objective because there is no F’ing way that any other objective can be achieved until we do this.

2. Damage the socialists infrastructure by electing “Scott Walker” type folks to state governments. The states will be the point of the sword in killing socialism.

3. Elect folks to the FedGov that will keep the FedGov on a leash while the states assert the sovereignty they were always meant to have.

In essence, the states are going to be running the ball and the people we put in the fed gov are gonna be their offensive line. For this to work, you need everyone on the same F’ing playbook. Right now we have people from the other team in our huddles and sabotaging our strategy.

Offering a truce with the progressives in the democrat party or the republican party is suicide.


314 posted on 05/04/2012 8:51:42 AM PDT by myself6
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To: dirtboy

Wow, not only do we agree on something, we agree 100%. You said it better than I could have.


315 posted on 05/04/2012 8:51:55 AM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama. Constitution party, here I come!)
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To: rogue yam

I stand (sit actually) corrected.

lolol.

I of course have never been to San Fran Freak Show. Or Berzerkeley either. But I know you’re right. I offer a retraction. And sympathies for you and your girlfirend on having to live where you do.


316 posted on 05/04/2012 8:52:54 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Jeff Head; Jim Robinson
It's about time for this discussion. Thanks for opening it up.

My thoughts about Romney are a bit different. I don't like him, trust him, or hope for a revolution from his administration, but it's important to suck it up and vote for him anyway because:

1. The alternative is simply horrible. Four more years of Bambi is unthinkable. They will destroy everything good we all care about and live for.
2. The down ticket races have to win, we have to get more conservatives in so that Romney can be pressured, and unfortunately if we work against Romney we hurt the chances of conservatives winning down ticket and ever being effective.
3. Romney is still an unknown in the following areas: Will he stick with his stated pro-life positions? Will he be a good steward of the free market because of his business experience? Will he restore sanity to our armed forces? Will he try to "reach across the aisle" with these traitors or will he try to unite a somewhat conservative coalition to govern? Lots of questions that we can only guess. We know what Bambi brings, total destruction of all that we love.

I had the pleasure of meeting and listening to Breitbart a few short weeks before he died. His statement to all of us (conservatives of all stripes: pro-Newt, pro-Santorum, pro-crazy uncle, etc) conservatives was to work like Hell for your candidate, but in the end, if you didn't unite around who won, you were simply caving to and allowing the most destructive and evil administration ever to win. I agreed then, and still do.

317 posted on 05/04/2012 8:53:04 AM PDT by Lakeshark (NbIttoalbl,cRwIdtaa)
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To: backwoods-engineer
So, I will vote my conscience--probably Virgil Goode of the Constitution party--and let the rest of the deluded sheeple decide which statist gets into the White House.

Same here. Just because Jim's declared a truce doesn't translate into FreeRepublic becoming a pro-Romney site.

318 posted on 05/04/2012 8:53:16 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: delapaz
"I will call it by it’s true name: Surrender. Surrender to the RINO establishment. Surrender to Rockefeller Republicans. Surrender to GOP Liberals."

I don't call it that..I call it walking away with my choice and leaving them with theirs....


319 posted on 05/04/2012 8:53:16 AM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: greyfoxx39

I had not considered that aspect of this. Thanks, Grey.


320 posted on 05/04/2012 8:53:29 AM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama. Constitution party, here I come!)
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To: Jim Robinson

There are around a dozen USA Presidential Elections a person can vote in during their entire lifetime. I am not compromising on the few that are left. ProLife, ProFamily, ProBalancedBudget.....I will vote, the rest of the way, the Right Way, Right Wing.


321 posted on 05/04/2012 8:54:08 AM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: Mozilla; Jim Robinson

“As I understand it Romney promoters are not wanted. Romney is not conservative. This is a conservative site.”

Well, so much for “the truce”...


322 posted on 05/04/2012 8:54:08 AM PDT by Innovative (Live in reality, not a dreamworld)
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To: painter

.....”get CONSERVATIVES elected ‘to those County Committee seats’.... They are the hidden government and power base of the GOP party.”.....

Bump


323 posted on 05/04/2012 8:54:13 AM PDT by caww
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To: Mozilla

That’s not true. From what I’ve gathered many were zotted for simply expressing their opinion. Many of them were donors. Many more have left of their own accord and will never come back. Traffic is way down. Donations are way down. If you hit yourself in the face hard and long enough eventually it will hurt.

People need to wake up to reality. Jim is in CA, his vote or non-vote is absolutely meaningless in the wide scope of things as is all the other venomous anti-Romney people here.

It’s a drop in a large bucket. Dust in the wind. Good luck but it’s already too late for a truce.


324 posted on 05/04/2012 8:54:31 AM PDT by TheRhinelander
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To: Lazlo in PA

Our Governor engineered Newt and Santorum off the VA primary ballot and is in bed with Etch-A-Sketch.


325 posted on 05/04/2012 8:55:35 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Jim Robinson

This November doubtlessly offers the most abysmal choice America has seen for president in its existence.

Whatever faint hope there may be with the RINO is that this person who shall not be named will prove accessible enough and pliable enough to accede to at least some common sense, and possibly depending on the VP, to set up a lot brighter choice for eight years hence. I hope that if this November sees an Obama loss, what little opportunity there is to influence policy in an ongoing manner will not be wasted by the Tea Party.

I very well understand how some are so disgusted they don’t even want to vote, or want to vote for someone who can’t possibly win. My idea of the most meaningful protest vote — since the votee cannot possibly win, anyhow — would be a write in of Sarah Palin. This rebukes the GOP for what they did in failing to defend her back when it counted.

It sounds downright weird to me that Karl Rove would agitate for Mitt Romney, and having succeeded only then to splash a gloomy electoral prediction upon America about Mitt. Is he a closet Obama booster?


326 posted on 05/04/2012 8:57:18 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Away with them and the high horses they rode in on.)
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To: In Maryland
So, for those of us who believe Obama MUST be defeated to save the republic, you are with us or against us. ... Now is FreeRepublic going to support the defeat of Obama or not?

AMEN and AMEN!

327 posted on 05/04/2012 8:57:18 AM PDT by DesertSapper (Wishing Cain was still in the race.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Glad you’re finally on the reality bandwagon, climb aboard.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2838960/posts?page=14#14

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2852528/posts?page=23#23

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2858429/posts?page=10#10


328 posted on 05/04/2012 8:57:21 AM PDT by wallcrawlr
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To: RitchieAprile

There is a difference between compromise and voting your conscience.

I will not betray my conservative principles or my faith by voting for Romney. That isn’t compromise.

Compromise would be voting for Cain, Newt or Santorum, who I may not agree with on all things but are not pro-Abortion, pro Gun Control, pro socialism. Romney is.


329 posted on 05/04/2012 8:58:28 AM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama. Constitution party, here I come!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Throwing in my support to Jim Rob, too...
it’s not “succumbing to greater forces”, it’s staying focused on the prime objective - getting rid of O’bummer and his band of merry socialists and taking BACK our country from these America-haters...
This is the “grown-up” response to disappointment - thanks, JR...
but it doesn’t mean we don’t hold the wobblers’ feet to the fire.


330 posted on 05/04/2012 8:59:24 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: Responsibility2nd
But - this is a deal breaker for me. If the Tea Party wishes to associate with ass-clown Ron Paul - then to hell with them.

Think about this: what could possibly stop Romney and give us an open convention? The last conservative is out. If everybody who wants NOT-Romney votes for Ron Paul, maybe there's a chance Romney won't get the needed number by Tampa. Not a very big chance, but a chance.

I voted for Gingrich even though he didn't campaign in my state, but the only chance left NOW to stop Romney is Paul. That's strategy not preference.

331 posted on 05/04/2012 8:59:44 AM PDT by Sal (STAND YOUR GROUND laws are the prosecutor's target--GZ is collateral damage.)
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To: reaganaut
When they have the power to ban and take up collections get back to me.

Personally I have not, so it would be silly. Plus I haven't really seen that. I have read the you either vote to rid us of Obama or you don't...I guess putting it as pro Obama might hurt your feelings, but it is one way to look at it.

332 posted on 05/04/2012 8:59:48 AM PDT by fml
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To: Jim Robinson

Yes to voting for true conservatives in down ticket races.

No to voting for Romney.

Yes to organising to replace the GOP-E and their broken party once and for all.


333 posted on 05/04/2012 9:00:35 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: Jim Robinson

FR’s Valley Forge moment.

We have those every few years here it seems at FR. ;-]

The price we pay to have a place to say...

‘Get your mitts off our constitution , you heathenous bastards!’

No way of knowing how many cycles of elections to right the boat.. but I agree, no sense in bashing each other over our heads with the oars between elections either.

I see FR mainly as both a educational and informational platform that also has a unique ability to be on top of issues before they ever hit the lamebrain media’s eyeline.. and has helped many avoid the ruts a two party system has left as the main trail, a trail that fails to deliver new hope and real change, rather seems to be a long downhill ride to embedded socialism.. and worse.

To all those who feeeel like they have lost their voice,,

RIII—CCOOOLLLAAA

Party On , Learn Up

Vote

and

GiDDyUP!


334 posted on 05/04/2012 9:01:28 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: rogue yam

Guerneville.


335 posted on 05/04/2012 9:01:39 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: Jim Robinson; All

Do what you must but I am not prepared to vote Romney. I am not covinced it will be a Romney vs Obama matchup in the general.

There is still some distance left on this road and it is sure to be filled with many unforseen and possibly bizzare twists and turns.

Until the end is in sight I reserve judgment on my vote for president. Right now I think it’s more important to focus down ticket and be especially watchful at the polls for voter fraud!

A clear cut, provable case of voter fraud and/or intimidation could throw the entire election into question and ignite a Constitutional crisis such that The Republic has never seen!

WE MUST BE PREPARED!


336 posted on 05/04/2012 9:01:47 AM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts bolt the Constitution together as the loose screws of the Left fall out!)
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To: Jeff Head; Zman; Jim Robinson; xzins; reaganaut; LS; Bigun; P-Marlowe
At the same time, as Jim says, we simply MUST also put in place a House and Senate that will hold Romney to the promises and commitments he is making, should he win. On his own site, those commitments are listed...we should all know and memorize tham and then hold him to them, because for the most part, they of themselves are good statements of intent....

If we do, I believe he will have to keep these commitments which are altogether different than what he did in Mass where the liberal State Legisalture had a hammer lock majority on every decsion and appointment he made.

Dear Jeff, I wholly agree.

First I was for Perry; then Newt; then Santorum. But it appears that Romney is the last man standing.

Virgil Goode has absolutely zero chance to be elected president. He has zero name recognition. There are only six months to go....

Just because he is a thoroughly good man, and the Constitution Party has the best platform out there (IMHO), doesn't mean that he can possibly be elected president, regardless of what we do in the next six months. (Short of direct divine intervention, of course.)

Romney is very largely being judged on his record as governor of Massachusetts, which is probably the most dysfunctional state in the Union, ideologically speaking. His critics probably forget — if they knew it in the first place — that in four years in office, he delivered over 200 vetoes of acts of the Massachusetts legislature. I do not recall a single one of them that was not subsequently overridden, thus to become what passes for “law” here.

The fact is the Office of the Executive in Massachusetts is “weak” — and made deliberately so over time — as compared with the governors of other states. The folks who run the political machine in Massachusetts prefer to do all their business through the Legislature and the Courts. A powerful executive only gets in the way; and so the long-term trend here has been to weaken the powers of the governor.

Case in point: the governor of Massachusetts cannot select judicial nominees, or make appointments to our Supreme Judicial Court. An unelected “Governor’s Council” does this. In short, the governor cannot have his own picks, but may only pick from a slate of candidates prepared for him by an unelected body.

To even be elected as a Republican in Massachusetts requires a good deal of “temporizing.” We see the same phenomenon with Senator Scott Brown, who faces the thorough-going Progressivist ideologue Elizabeth Warren on November 6th. Yet another choice of the “lesser of two evils” I suppose....

My home state is so gloriously beautiful — yet SOOOOOOO politically corrupt. So much so that Romney really didn’t ever have a chance to set matters aright. No one man could do that in four years anyway, it seems to me — the ideological rot goes so very, very deep here.

JMHO FWIW

Thank you so very much for your well-reasoned, valuable insights, Jeff!

337 posted on 05/04/2012 9:01:47 AM PDT by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through the eye. — William Blake)
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To: central_va; Tennessee Nana; T Minus Four; svcw; greyfoxx39; colorcountry

Perhaps, but I am a female No Romney no way’er as are several of my Freeper friends.


338 posted on 05/04/2012 9:03:40 AM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama. Constitution party, here I come!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
the socially liberal Ron Paul

I don't believe Ron Paul is as socially liberal as Romney. Candidates (especially at the national level) are not responsible for the shenanigans of their supporters.

Please explain why you consider Ron Paul a POS. He's a believer in the Constitution, has read, understands and supports the Federalist Papers. He is a defender of individual liberty. Can you say all of those things about Romney? And, as an obstetrician, Ron Paul, is PRO-Life. He would never make any deals with PP.

Also, the biggest problem with Romney is that he has no core beliefs. The exact opposite is true with Ron Paul. He has consistently espoused and upheld Constitutional principles the entire time he's been in public service.

339 posted on 05/04/2012 9:03:52 AM PDT by MSSC6644 (Defeat Satan: pray the Rosary.)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

So far, Romney is WRONG on just about every issue. In fact, I cannot think of a single issue he is right on.


340 posted on 05/04/2012 9:04:51 AM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama. Constitution party, here I come!)
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To: Jim Robinson

I’ll vote the lesser of 2 evils in the presidency. Congress and local elections will weigh heavily in the next few years. What’s more difficult to tackle is the lame RINOs that the RNC keeps putting up for presidential election. It’s downright maddening.

Newt would’ve been a better candidate but I don’t think he’s THE ONE, either. For them to not give Palin the time of day shows just how screwed up they are.


341 posted on 05/04/2012 9:05:14 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: TheRhinelander

All that is beyond my control abotu who got zotted and why. But I sure wouldn’t like this site to turn into Mitt Romney Central.

I just like that I can express my opinions against Romney while every other so-called conservative site is trying to tone down the rhetoric and back the guy. I’m not one of those to one day dislike a candidate and then next just make peace, not with a Romney who represents all that is wrong with the party.

I can swallow that some votes will go to Romney by some real conservatives because there hands were tied and they felt the need to “to beat Obama above all else” so they want to look at it that way by voting for Romney.

But I am free to vote third party and dislike Romney. I gather that the party is broken beyond repair. This site is just a sign of the situation and discord within the republican party and conservative base. But all some people are pushing is the party unity line when it is broken and will be real hard to unify.

I assure you my opinions might get me banned on other sites because I don’t fall in line with the “super-duper” Romney.


342 posted on 05/04/2012 9:05:22 AM PDT by Mozilla (Constitution Party 2012)
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To: MSSC6644

If Romney cared about the republic he would have not run for the Presidency. Being a mAasshole should eliminate someone from national office out of hand. Romney knows damn well his candidacy is turning the Republican Party inside out and into the whig Party. Curse him and all RINO’s.


343 posted on 05/04/2012 9:06:51 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: betty boop
Virgil Goode has absolutely zero chance to be elected president. He has zero name recognition. There are only six months to go....

Just because he is a thoroughly good man, and the Constitution Party has the best platform out there (IMHO), doesn't mean that he can possibly be elected president, regardless of what we do in the next six months. (Short of direct divine intervention, of course.)

Let's face it - this thread is about surrender. Plain and simple.

If conservatives were really as worthy as we like to thump our chest and point to ourselves as being, we'd get out and work for a real conservative - six months or no - instead of rolling over and pulling the Rom-knee pads out of the drawer.

344 posted on 05/04/2012 9:07:39 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Anybody but Obama and Romney)
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To: Jim Robinson

Two items bother me with the loss of the Presidency to either the existing Leftist, muddlesome mess, or a Romney Leftist, muddlesome mess is the military, and the SCOTUS, but with Romney I believe we’d have less damage than with the existing. I don’t know.

Right at this point not knowing what the outcome exactly will be of the convention in August, yet somewhat assured it will be Romney I don’t see the Presidency as the focal point anymore. I see the downticket, and the turnout for that downticket as critical.

The turnout is what the Left IMO, the Democrats are working to destroy. They are trying their damndest to discourage the Right from turning out to vote IMO. With more, and more of the States focusing on voter fraud, the Left’s most valuable asset in winning elections they fear any large turnout of the Right that they will have less opportunity to create sufficient votes to counter.

WE have to concentrate getting out the vote for the Right side of the ticket, the downticket, and getting every American citizen possible to vote the right side of the downticket to counter any Leftist shenanigans.

The best way IMO is to focus discussion downticket, and off of the focus of the Presidency, other than anti-Obama. Start talking about the local campaigns, post/discuss the local, and National campaigns for Senators, House Reps, local news for Mayors, Council members, etc. Keep as much of the news as possible focused on those events.

The efforts of the Left IMO will be to keep our eyes on the National events of which they have almost absolute control.

Just a thought.


345 posted on 05/04/2012 9:07:47 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: prisoner6

I agree it makes eminent sense not to commit to the idea of giving Romney the nod in November until, at least, the GOP has given him the nod at the convention. All the discussion about possible votes for Romney in November is hypothetical unless or until Romney passes that hurdle. It could be that as part of the negotiations at the convention, Romney will be successfully leaned upon to present a VP who actually is a reasonable person. What happens eight years down the road? Even if Romney’s own ear can be bent?


346 posted on 05/04/2012 9:07:47 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Away with them and the high horses they rode in on.)
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To: TheRhinelander

good...

A truce was NEVER in our best interest...

We will watch the GOP-e fail..

We will watch the GOP become insignificant because of the deeds of the progressives..

We will blame the GOP-e. We will blame the Progressives... and people WILL finally listen...

The progressives will be purged, and we will build a resistance.

As a cohesive force, free from the daily sabotage of the GOP-e, we will take the fight to the socialists at every level... and we will beat the snot out of them.

F Romney
F the GOP-e
F the socialists in both parties

Never surrender.


347 posted on 05/04/2012 9:07:56 AM PDT by myself6
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To: Jim Robinson
Much needed update Jim.

I'll be voting T.E.A. Party in our Texas primary May 29.

Then come November, I'll be voting Straight Republican Party.

Voting in a new class of T.E.A. Party candidates will help ensure Romney stays in line.

Sadly, Romney qualifies as "Anyone But Obamah".

348 posted on 05/04/2012 9:08:11 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Jim Robinson

You are 100% correct. Thank you for this thread and your integrity in keeping the standards of FreeRepublic. Working towards a more conservative House and Senate is the most we can do. Possibly help influence a VP pick if that is even possible. God Bless you Jim and all our patriot members.


349 posted on 05/04/2012 9:08:37 AM PDT by MomwithHope (Buy and read Ameritopia by Mark Levin!)
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To: matginzac
but it doesn’t mean we don’t hold the wobblers’ feet to the fire.

I think the GOP-E has pretty well demonstrated that "we" lack the political clout to hold anyones feet to any fire.

We are going to spend the next four years trying our best to keep our own feet from being run over by the bus we have been thrown under.

350 posted on 05/04/2012 9:09:06 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (A vote for the lesser of two evils only insures the triumph of evil.)
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