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Homeland Security IG Investigates Fast and Furious
CBS News ^ | May 22, 2012 | Sharyl Attkisson

Posted on 05/25/2012 12:44:34 PM PDT by neverdem

CBS News has learned a second Inspector General (IG) is investigating Operation Fast and Furious: Homeland Security.

As CBS News previously reported, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) had special agents from Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) assigned to Fast and Furious, which was run by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) out of Phoenix, Ariz. During that case and similar weapons trafficking operations, ATF allowed thousands of weapons to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. The idea was to capture the "big fish" in a cartel. The strategy was called to an abrupt halt after it was publicly exposed. Two weapons from Fast and Furious were used in the murder of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry in December 2010.

Investigative sources say ICE became involved in Fast and Furious in late 2009 when the agency began its own weapons smuggling probe and discovered the suspects were also being investigated by ATF.  An ICE special agent was then put on the ATF case, and later replaced by a second special agent. That agent worked on Fast and Furious through February 2011, serving as a liaison between ATF and DHS. Law enforcement and investigative sources say the ICE special agent was also involved in investigation and surveillance activities.

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano testified to Congress on Sept. 13, 2011, that she was unaware of Fast and Furious while it was under way. Napolitano said she could not recall when she first learned that Fast and Furious weapons were linked to Border Patrol Agent Terry's death.

Congressman Michael McCaul (R-TX) sits on the House Homeland Security Committee and requested the DHS IG investigation. The DHS IG has told Congressional staffers it expects to have a final report ready to deliver to Congress in early October.

DHS is said to be fully cooperating with the investigation and has turned over boxes of documents. The Inspector General has said it plans to send staff to Arizona to conduct interviews in the coming weeks.

The Justice Department IG has been investigating the case at Attorney General Eric Holder's request since Feb. 2011. No timetable has been given for release of a final report.




TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Mexico; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 300deadmexicans; atf; banglist; brianterry; dea; dhs; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; homelandsecurity; homelandsecurityig; ice; jaimezapata; murdergate; obama; terry; zapata
Oh boy, another IG investigation! Napi and Hillary are probably as dirty as Holder, IMHO.
1 posted on 05/25/2012 12:44:39 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

the “fixer”


2 posted on 05/25/2012 12:46:24 PM PDT by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: neverdem

lemme get this straight now.....flim...is actually investigating..flam !!!?????


3 posted on 05/25/2012 12:47:46 PM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: neverdem
The DHS IG has told Congressional staffers it expects to have a final report ready to deliver to Congress in early October.

The Justice Department IG has been investigating the case at Attorney General Eric Holder's request since Feb. 2011. No timetable has been given for release of a final report.

Things that make you go Hmmmmm Hmmmmmmm Hmmmmmmmmmm …

4 posted on 05/25/2012 12:49:56 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: neverdem

Is this “investigation” even reliable, or is it just another level of obfuscation to delay or deny ANY facts in the matter?

There is, of course, another part of the agenda that has to be defended at all costs, and that is further legislation to keep the possession and bearing of arms at the very minimum possible, if the Second Amendment cannot be repealed outright.


5 posted on 05/25/2012 12:50:06 PM PDT by alloysteel (Fear and intimidation work. At least on the short term.)
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To: gunnyg

Tweedle Dee is investigatig Tweedle Dum.


6 posted on 05/25/2012 12:51:29 PM PDT by JaguarXKE (If my Fluffy had a puppy, it would look like the puppy Obama ate!)
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To: neverdem
There never was a first. I remember distinctly when Issa asked to see Holder's written instructions to his IG. He said there were no written orders. The IG took his verbal assignment as seriously as it was intended.
7 posted on 05/25/2012 12:58:44 PM PDT by Jacquerie (No court will save us from ourselves)
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To: neverdem

‘Capture the big fish in the barrel’ WITHOUT TRACING THE WEAPONS???.. My AZZ. The purpose was to raise the percentage of weapons in Mexico that come from the U.S. to “90%”.. Obama even stated this goal early on when he made the UNTRUE claim that “90% of guns in Mexico come from the United States”.. He said it because the U.S. was working on making that percentage become a reality with ‘Fast & Furious’. Why raise the percentage? So Obama could justify FFL gun restrictions leading to gun control and eventually gun bans in the United States.


8 posted on 05/25/2012 1:00:36 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: Jacquerie

I’d suggest that Congress pack up what info they have...ship to the Mexican prosecutor, and just let them start prosecuting folks from there. That’s about the only way that justice can be achieved in this situation.

As for the guys who get Mexican warrants? Well....too bad. You should have been thinking about the consequences, and plainly working with American justice.


9 posted on 05/25/2012 1:01:50 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: neverdem

Now, where are that darn bag of lime and whitewash bucket?


10 posted on 05/25/2012 1:47:56 PM PDT by expat2
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To: neverdem
"The idea was to capture the "big fish" in a cartel."

Lying bastards...........

11 posted on 05/25/2012 1:50:26 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

Don’t forget the Washington Post was part of Fast & Furious.

The ATF gave them the story that certain dealers were the primary source for the “iron river” of firearms flowing into Mexico.

The Washington Post ran the story without corroborating a single fact or asking to speak to one dealer.....in other words, they just printed what the ATF told them to print.

Nobody (except the dealers) challenged the Washington Post on the story.

This was a test run to see if the public would accept the premise. It was a success.

If it were not for the murder of Brian Terry, we would be fighting for our Second Amendment lives right now!


12 posted on 05/25/2012 1:51:13 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: neverdem
0bama, Holder, Hillary, Napolitano and others are engaged in State-Sponored Terrorism.
13 posted on 05/25/2012 1:51:40 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

Thanks for the link!


14 posted on 05/25/2012 2:15:31 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Erik Latranyi
ATF takes aim at deep 'Iron river of guns' USA Today

USA Today also engaged in that journalistic malpractice and sedition. We should also remember just how big their lie is...

Mexico's Gun Supply and the 90 Percent Myth - Stratfor Global Intelligence; Feb., 10, 2011

As we discussed in a previous analysis, the 90 percent number was derived from a June 2009 U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) report to Congress on U.S. efforts to combat arms trafficking to Mexico (see external link).

According to the GAO report, some 30,000 firearms were seized from criminals by Mexican authorities in 2008. Of these 30,000 firearms, information pertaining to 7,200 of them (24 percent) was submitted to the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) for tracing. Of these 7,200 guns, only about 4,000 could be traced by the ATF, and of these 4,000, some 3,480 (87 percent) were shown to have come from the United States.

This means that the 87 percent figure relates to the number of weapons submitted by the Mexican government to the ATF that could be successfully traced and not from the total number of weapons seized by Mexican authorities or even from the total number of weapons submitted to the ATF for tracing. In fact, the 3,480 guns positively traced to the United States equals less than 12 percent of the total arms seized in Mexico in 2008 and less than 48 percent of all those submitted by the Mexican government to the ATF for tracing. This means that almost 90 percent of the guns seized in Mexico in 2008 were not traced back to the United States.

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ATF Publishes Misleading Trace Data From Mexico Katie Pavlich; April 27,2012

Yesterday afternoon, the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms released firearms tracing data to the press from Mexico between the years 2007-2011 during a roundtable discussion and presentation given by ATF Special Agent John Hageman.

(snip)

The majority of the sales linked back to the U.S. according to this trace data, actually come from government to government sales, not from normal sales made in American gun shops.

(snip)

“ATF isn’t making a determination on how people view our data,” ATF Special Agent John Hageman said.

Or are they? ATF uses these numbers to justify its new long gun reporting measures. The new measures were implemented last summer and require border state gun dealers to report multiple sales of semi-automatic rifles.

Nothing has changed. The FedMob is still pushing the lie.

15 posted on 05/25/2012 2:22:47 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

Tell me how Withholder is going to investigate himself. It ain’t gonna happen. Same with Big Sis. Obama hand picked this crowd and has turned these agencies into a laughing stock with ZERO CREDIBILITY. November can’t come soon enough.


16 posted on 05/25/2012 2:37:19 PM PDT by spawn44 (mu)
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To: spawn44
Tell me how Withholder is going to investigate himself.

Where did I say he would, should or could?

17 posted on 05/25/2012 2:42:55 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

What makes you think I am speaking to you. Tiger.


18 posted on 05/25/2012 3:10:02 PM PDT by spawn44 (mu)
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To: spawn44

You posted in reply to me!?!


19 posted on 05/25/2012 3:11:32 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

>>If it were not for the murder of Brian Terry, we would be fighting for our Second Amendment lives right now!

On a related note, there was a news item this week about the Michigan Hutaree Militia’s firearms being returned to them. That prosecution started in 2010, so the investigation probably started in 2009, about the same time as F&F really got going. I have to think that the Hutaree case was a complimentary effort with F&F to gin up support for 2A infringements.


20 posted on 05/26/2012 4:14:29 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Erik Latranyi

/complimentary/complementary/


21 posted on 05/26/2012 4:15:36 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Doogle
During that case and similar weapons trafficking operations, ATF allowed thousands of weapons to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. The idea was to capture the "big fish" in a cartel.

There is ZERO evidence that any traditional police procedures were used to 'capture the big fish'. The guns had NO tracking devices... etc.

Does anyone know of anything done that would 'capture big fish'? Anything? This looks a lot more like someone was intentionally arming drug cartels...

22 posted on 05/27/2012 2:47:05 PM PDT by GOPJ ( "A Dog In Every Pot" - freeper ETL)
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To: FreedomPoster
If it were not for the murder of Brian Terry, we would be fighting for our Second Amendment lives right now!

It does look like conservative American law biding citizens were the target of this sting - - and those who benefited were drug dealers.

23 posted on 05/27/2012 2:49:25 PM PDT by GOPJ ( "A Dog In Every Pot" - freeper ETL)
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To: GOPJ
..the object of the "operation" was never intended to be going after drug cartels...it was purely a propaganda tool going after gun dealers in the US, to gather info on how the gun trade was out of control....and needed tighter government intervention The months previous to the story blowing up, Holder and other anti-gun had the media publishing article after article of illegal gun sales going south......and the Mexican government was all a tether about the gun "trail" ..even though a lot of the guns were coming from other countries. Holder has a history of being "involved" when it comes to gun control. This was just another attempt that failed miserably and was so poorly planned and executed (Holder)it backfired and now needs major media participation in sweeping it away.
24 posted on 05/27/2012 3:10:50 PM PDT by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: Doogle; Sherman Logan; marktwain
Here's something Sherman Logan shared on a different thread - thought you would enjoy it, Doogle. Also, thanks for your comments - I have no doubt Obama's people were after American citizens - primarily conservatives... Thanks for sharing that too...

Read and enjoy:

Lots of governments (probably all) down the centuries have allowed some of their people to keep and bear arms.

During the middle ages being armed was the distinguishing characteristic of a gentleman or “free man.” It’s why he was free, of course.

During the early modern period the various absolutist states allowed various classes of their people to be armed. In France this meant the Catholic aristocracy. In Poland it was the gentry. In Russia it was the nobles. This allowed these people to dominate the rest, desired since they were the people most likely to support the state.

After 1689 the British Bill of Rights allowed all Protestants to keep and bear arms “according to their class.”

Our 2nd Amendment was unique precisely because it recognized that this human right extended to all people, it was not just a privilege of certain groups.


25 posted on 05/27/2012 3:48:54 PM PDT by GOPJ ( "A Dog In Every Pot" - freeper ETL)
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