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Why “Gay Marriage” is Not Inevitable
Crisis Magazine ^ | December 27, 2012 | Luis Tellez

Posted on 12/30/2012 6:21:47 PM PST by DBeers

Election Day was a drubbing for marriage. The ballot initiatives to protect marriage lost by over 4% in Maine, Minnesota, Washington State, and Maryland. Those who support same-sex “marriage” reportedly spent over $33 million, while those who defend marriage spent just over $10 million.

Many friends have said that same-sex marriage is inevitable. It is not. I have confidence that fence-sitters will enter the fray in support of traditional marriage. As we continue to debate this issue, three important forces can shift the outcome in favor of marriage as the union of one man and one woman. Consider first, public opinion; second, the methods and the message of LGBT activists; and third, reality.

Public Opinion Gives Marriage a Fighting Chance The American public offers differing levels of assent to same-sex marriage, depending on how the survey questions are worded. Psychologically, it matters how questions are asked.

Consider these facts:

1. Data from the New Family Structures Study (NFSS) shows 24% of the young-adult population on the fence, saying they’re “not sure” when asked whether “it should be legal for gays and lesbians to marry in America.” There’s more support than antagonism, but not a majority on either side, given the nearly one-quarter who remain on the sidelines.

2. A national post-election survey conducted on Election Day by The Polling Company, Inc., showed that 60% of American voters agree that “marriage is between one man and one woman,” while only 34% disagree. Another poll two months earlier showed that 57% were in agreement.

(Excerpt) Read more at crisismagazine.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda
Do not believe the propaganda or listen to the elite leftist Rinos, Libertarians, or Democrats...
1 posted on 12/30/2012 6:21:58 PM PST by DBeers
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To: DBeers
“Gay Marriage” is a given with a man and a woman in love.

But “Homosexual Marriage?” ain't no such animal...kind of like “bicycle spaceflight” where one would have to call dogs cats and cats dogs while everyone pretends to be stupid so as not to offend the fascists.

2 posted on 12/30/2012 6:30:52 PM PST by Happy Rain ("Outlawing guns because of Adam Lanza would be like outlawing free speech because of Bill Maher.")
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To: DBeers

The homosexuals have a financial stake in this. Now that homosexuality is accepted, it will become a debilitating disease that requires disability. Just watch. We will not only have to accept them, we will have to pay them.


3 posted on 12/30/2012 6:30:59 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: DBeers

Dennis Prager says that he tells his Jewish friends to “Preach what you Practice”. If there were more of that, there would be much, much, less problems in this country.


4 posted on 12/30/2012 6:33:09 PM PST by BobL (Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21... (whatever the hell that is))
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To: blueunicorn6

No, that won’t happen.

What will happen is a most thorough punking of the conventions of sane society.


5 posted on 12/30/2012 6:35:53 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: DBeers
Another sign for hope is the rapid growth of new, conservative breakaway church bodies from the gay-agenda cheerleading "mainline" denominations.

The Anglican Church in North America, Lutheran Congregations in Mission for Christ, North American Lutheran Church and Evangelical Presbyterian Church have seen impressive growth; in fact, the LCMC more than doubled in size since the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America voted to redefine marriage.

6 posted on 12/30/2012 6:38:28 PM PST by lightman (If the Patriarchate of the East held a state like the Vatican I would apply for political asylum.)
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To: blueunicorn6

Homos at work will have an “Anal Bum Cover” (or “An Album Cover” from SNL Jeopardy sans the Sean Connery impersonator) like steel toed shoes in order to prevent on the job injuries;)


7 posted on 12/30/2012 6:43:36 PM PST by Happy Rain ("Outlawing guns because of Adam Lanza would be like outlawing free speech because of Bill Maher.")
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To: DBeers
have confidence that fence-sitters will enter the fray in support of traditional marriage.

The fact that we have fence-sitters suggests a real problem. The fact that its even a close question means we have a problem.

The ground has been eroded from under our feet.

8 posted on 12/30/2012 6:53:07 PM PST by marron
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To: blueunicorn6

[We will not only have to accept them, we will have to pay them.]

I expect that’s already the reality ala the mandate of socialized medical insurance.

Creating sperm from female stem cells must be enormously expensive.

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&tbo=d&sclient=psy-ab&q=sperm+from+female+stem+cells

And then of course there are the expenses associated with the pharmaceutical avoidance of the DUE PENALTIES for their perversions - in the form of AIDS drug cocktails etc.

Being an Uber-transhumanist-postgenderist perverter of nature ain’t cheap.


9 posted on 12/30/2012 6:53:27 PM PST by TArcher
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To: lightman

You can add the LCMS to your list.

Been there, heard the “Gaaawd is Looove” sermon.

Evidently Gandalf the Gay managed to pull the first few pages of Romans out of the book in the drawer at whatever Seminary this particular parrot in the Pulpit graduated from.

Me: Did he really just say that?
Mrs. TArcher: Yeah, I heard it too.
The Ghost of Richard Nixon: Jeeezus Christ.

There is no “Best Construction” when the Wolves are among the flock.

Got Discernment?


10 posted on 12/30/2012 7:02:50 PM PST by TArcher
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To: DBeers

>>saying they’re “not sure”

Ask them what the socio-biological reproductive fitness of a homosexual couple is.

The answer is clear: ZERO.


11 posted on 12/30/2012 7:04:39 PM PST by TArcher
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To: DBeers

There’s nothing new under the sun. Faggots have come and gone for thousands of years. This current cultural fascination with All Things Queer, too, shall pass. Personally, I’m hoping for a reprisal of the fire and brimstone solution, but if it just fades into irrelevance that’ll be OK too.


12 posted on 12/30/2012 7:19:37 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: TArcher
You can add the LCMS to your list.

Aye, but the list was of breakaways which have sprung up within the past decade. LCMS dates to Martin Stephan settlement in the mid 1800's.

13 posted on 12/30/2012 7:25:40 PM PST by lightman (If the Patriarchate of the East held a state like the Vatican I would apply for political asylum.)
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To: DBeers
Personally, I think gay "marriage" is going to lose a lot of its appeal once "gay divorce" becomes more common and homosexuals start steering clear of marriage for the same reason many heterosexuals do.
14 posted on 12/30/2012 7:32:39 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I am the master of my fate ... I am the captain of my soul.")
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To: DBeers
Public Opinion Gives Marriage a Fighting Chance

Liberal judges don't.

15 posted on 12/30/2012 7:38:21 PM PST by Retired Chemist
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To: DBeers
Marriage equality???, come on man, its all about love and commitment which are Christian values. Be inclusive. This is just like the battle slaves fought to be equal. They had a IPHONE slavescape APP to lead them to the North then.”

:)

16 posted on 12/30/2012 7:57:20 PM PST by sickoflibs (Dems go for results, meaning winning. Rs go for symbolism and whining about losing.)
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To: DBeers

Homosexual ‘marriage’ law is about persecuting those that refuse to service homosexual behavior.


17 posted on 12/30/2012 8:33:00 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Alberta's Child

I’m convinced that the homos only wanted “marriage” because there weren’t allowed to marry. Only a tiny fraction of homos are showing any desire to marry. They only sought it in order to ruin it for the normals.


18 posted on 12/30/2012 9:25:48 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: lightman

“In 1824, Martin Stephan began to explore America as a place to practice the faith without harassment. Martin and ten other men formed a “Gesellschaft” or Society for emigration from Dresden to St. Louis, Missouri.[4] He helped organize 700 people and five ships for passage to America in November 1838.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Stephan

Can’t find any fault with that.

My observation, having attended LCMS schools from elementary through college, is that the LCMS has broken away from the LCMS - a process that has accelerated since 2001.

Once upon a time it was an organization whose focus was on empowering individuals to utilize their free mind in interaction with The Word.

Today, that’s been usurped in some cases by parrots in the pulpit who are self-evidently more interested in protecting a perch upon the pyramid steps.

And bring up Martin Luther’s lesser known work “On the Jews and Their Lies” - and the influence it may or may not’ve had on MEIN KAMPF? Fahgedabout dat.


19 posted on 12/30/2012 9:26:03 PM PST by TArcher
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To: TArcher

Homosexuals do not reproduce....they recruit.


20 posted on 12/31/2012 4:54:36 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Obama has turned America into an aristocracy of the unaccomplished.)
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To: DBeers
"I have confidence that fence-sitters will enter the fray in support of traditional marriage."

Uh, if they're "fence-sitters" at this point, they've shown themselves pretty much as lobotomized zombies, or they're stuck on the barbed wire. They probably will stay there permanently.

21 posted on 12/31/2012 5:40:50 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Alberta's Child
...I think gay "marriage" is going to lose a lot of its appeal once "gay divorce" becomes more common and homosexuals start steering clear of marriage for the same reason many heterosexuals do.

That's not the point. The goal is to disparage real marriage, whether homos partake of it or not.

22 posted on 12/31/2012 5:43:39 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: DBeers

Gay Marriage will be left as a state issue. What a concept....conservatives should be very happy about that. 10th Amendment in action. Hopefully only blue states will have the evil. I do not want it a federal law ever.


23 posted on 12/31/2012 8:57:34 AM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: napscoordinator
Gay Marriage will be left as a state issue. What a concept....conservatives should be very happy about that. 10th Amendment in action. Hopefully only blue states will have the evil. I do not want it a federal law ever.

True conservatives realize there are certain things self evident and inalienable that do not come from government -federal or state.

Morally devoid or morally ambiguous RINOs or Libertarians may be very happy with the absurd novelty of homosexual sex couplings; however, we will have to agree to disagree as to what true conservatives will be very happy about. There is that which the Creator established and endowed us with that neither the federal nor the states have the authority to and can legitimately encroach upon, change, or redefine.

24 posted on 12/31/2012 3:57:19 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: DBeers

I am not happy about it, but I am pissed that abortion was forced on us federally instead of the states deciding....we would have fewer abortions if done this way....but you obviously are not a conservative by any stretch of the imagination. Your would rather have full abortion and gay marriage forced on us through federal law. What a putz!!!!


25 posted on 12/31/2012 8:19:28 PM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: napscoordinator
Your would rather have full abortion and gay marriage forced on us through federal law. What a putz!!!!

My memory is quite good and I remember 'debating' you many times in the past on such topics as this. It is a pity for you that you have only the ability to call me names since FR will not tolerate the leftist propaganda you wish you could promote freely.

States rights? ROTFLMAO!!!!

Pathetic...

26 posted on 12/31/2012 9:16:29 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: DBeers

That is not true....we have had many “debates” and I don’t call you names normally....however when you bash the 10th Amendment and state’s rights, I have a problem with that. Anyway, I will try in 2013 to debate without personal attacks. That is my goal and hope I can do it! I feel lucky that this happened New Year’s Eve so I can make this hopeful promise. Happy New Year!!!!


27 posted on 01/01/2013 5:50:52 AM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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