Posted on 09/01/2013 11:20:11 AM PDT by Nachum
Congressman Michael Burgess gets question at his Town Hall meeting "Why haven't you filed to impeach the president yet?"
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So exactly what battles are being fought and won by the GOP now? The GOP establishment always looks for ways to postpone a fight. They have failed to use the leverage they have in controlling the House. They should have won the Senate the last time.
So what is the GOP doing now to ensure defeat in the 2014 midterms? Amnesty of course. They have made it an urgent item that will split the GOP and reduce turnout in 2014. I will not vote in 2014 for any Rep if any kind of amnesty is passed.
The reality is that the Reps have abandoned the American worker and is pushing the doubling of guest workers and increasing immigration to over 33 million during the next decade, which is more than double what it was in the previous decade, which happened to be the highest in our history. The GOP Establishment is leading the GOP over the cliff.
Impeachment could only be possibly won if conservatives (not necessarily Republicans) win control of the House and Senate. Right now the GOP owns the House but it’s run by liberals, and the Dems will never go along with impeachment in the Senate, especially when it comes down to what amounts to policy differences.
The question you should ask, "Has Obama committed impeachable offenses?" Do you think he has? If so, then you should be pressuring your representative to do his duty and uphold the oath he swore to the Constitution.
Curse me all you want. I know what’s possible, and I can extrapolate based on prior events the outcome of such a stand. As I said before, many FReepers won’t like his answer, but it is a good one.
It is the answer of a defeatist. Time is not on our side. The rapidly changing demographics will make the Dems the permanent majority party. We may have already reached a tipping point judging by the 2012 election results. We have entered the era of tribal politics.
Yet these are the guys you want to take up this fight? They haven't even formed a coherent, unified message. Reality isn't defeatism, it's just reality. We're not running a small-but-dedicated force here--a lightning raid against the enemy won't accomplish anything but utter defeat.
The question you should ask, "Has Obama committed impeachable offenses?" Do you think he has?
I believe he has, yes. However, believing and proving beyond a shadow of a doubt for a lot of scared politicians to vote against him and bring on all kinds of hell from the media is a whole other thing. Again, reality intrudes on FR fantasy.
Time is not on our side. The rapidly changing demographics will make the Dems the permanent majority party.
If this is true then the war is already lost, so we'd better head for the hills. And you say I'm a defeatist?
You are the one claiming these are the "adults" who are fighting the battles that "can and will be won." I consider the GOP establishment as part of the enemy. The first thing that needs to be done is to take over the GOP or failing that, form a third party. The reality is that the majority of Reps in the House are conservatives, many of whom came in with the Tea Party wave in 2010. The ossified GOP leadership has squandered that victory. And what they are doing now will depress voter turnout in 2014. We need people with passion and energy who will actually oppose what Obama is doing in a very visible way. There is plenty of anger and frustration out here.
I believe he has, yes. However, believing and proving beyond a shadow of a doubt for a lot of scared politicians to vote against him and bring on all kinds of hell from the media is a whole other thing. Again, reality intrudes on FR fantasy.
It is not fantasy but reality. If we continue to fail to point out that the emperor has no clothes, we are the ones contributing to the fantasy. An impeachment proceeding will help educate the public on what Obama's crimes and misdemeanors are. It will also enable discovery and legal investigations.
We have ICE agents suing the Obama administration for failing to enforce the law. There is an abundance of scandals including Fast and Furious, IRS, NSA, Benghazi, etc. as well as many examples of Obama failing to enforce immigration laws, DOMA, Obamacare, and other federal laws. He has created his own laws when it comes to EPA, Obamacare, and immigration. I think that when people like Senator Coburn and other congressmen started talking about the "I" word, Obama took notice. It may have had some impact on his Syrian reversal.
If there is no push back from our side on Obama's usurpation of power, he will continue to push the envelope. Given the Dem control over the Senate, which I anticipate they will hold in 2014, what line does this guy have to cross for the Reps to initiate impeachment proceedings? You are giving Obama a blank check because we won't be able to convict him. I just don't subscribe to that reasoning.
And yet the House continues to pass meaningless resolutions on repealing Obamacare knowing full well they are a dead letter once they hit the Senate. And Obama would veto anything that came out of Congress even if the Reps held both houses. The de-funding effort is also a non-starter.
If this is true then the war is already lost, so we'd better head for the hills. And you say I'm a defeatist?
It is true. We are losing this country and have been ever since the 1965 Immigration Act. Every year 1.2 million permanent legal immigrants enter this country, 87% of whom are minorities as classified by the USG. Unless we seriously reduce these numbers, there is no way the GOP will ever be the majority party again. George W. Bush may be the last Rep President we will see for generations. And if the GOP ever does occupy the WH, it will be a far different party than it is today. The GOP Establishment is already trying to transform the GOP into Dem-lite.
Right now that's messaging and the budget. There are no other battles that can be won at this time. Maybe after the 2014 midterms, but most definitely not now.
I consider the GOP establishment as part of the enemy. The first thing that needs to be done is to take over the GOP or failing that, form a third party.
Reality again: GOPe holds a lot of power in the party and a third party will take years and many election cycles to develop.
There is plenty of anger and frustration out here.
Yes, there is, but it's all disparate and scattershot. A unified message can bring focus to it. Right now we don't have that, and failed impeachment hearings/votes will simply distract.
If we continue to fail to point out that the emperor has no clothes, we are the ones contributing to the fantasy.
That's messaging.
An impeachment proceeding will help educate the public on what Obama's crimes and misdemeanors are.
What crimes and misdemeanors? We have no real evidence right now. We have logical arguments, but nothing hard. Look what Congress needed to impeach Clinton. Do we have anything like that with Obama?
You keep saying the GOP is totally doomed as-is, yet we're supposed to launch straight for nuclear war against the Dems and the media immediately, regardless of repercussions. I fail to see how that benefits the country or the conservative movement.
I doubt that he would run for any lesser office. His ego and narcissism is too much. I think he would aim for something like top gun at the UN. With his accumulated millions of dollars he can play the elder statesman role like Clinton. If he stumbles over situations too many more times he will be in deep political do-do. I feel no empathy with those people who voted for Obama but now say they wouldn’t vote for him now. What a bunch of losers.
Can’t he do all the above? Some of it only needs his vote and that’s easy enough to give.
Impeachment of Holder would be a step in the right direction. We effectively have no law enforcement or rule of law as long as Obama’s got the fox guarding the henhouse.
Until somebody takes the rule of law seriously, we have none. Not on Fast & Furious, Benghazi, IRS-gate, the Boston bombing, Extortion 17, or anything else including the foreign enemy combatant in our White House waging illegal war against this country and other countries and/or using all the mechanisms at his power (including covert assassinations of US citizens) for merely political purposes, to get rid of anybody standing in his way domestically.
Hitler’s got nothing on this thug regime. The only question is whether there is anybody who took the oath to defend the US Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic who actually meant it.
So basically you’re saying that we have to make do with having no rule of law until we get more conservatives in the House and Senate than RINO’s or dems?
With the election fraud going on, that will never happen. All that matters is who counts the votes. Which is probably why George Soros targeted Secretaries of States as being the important group to control. Could well also be why Chuck Hagel is SecDef...
Can’t he do all the above?”
He could but he won’t. Certainly Holder needs to be impeached, but IMO Olson should be channeling his energy into things that are doable in the foreseeable future. As a matter of fact, I would be really excited about seeing Olson really get behind any of the other issues. Cruz is heading the fight to defund Obamacare in the Senate. Why not Olson in the house? Why doesn’t he push for enforcing current immigration laws, beginning with E-Verify? Surely it couldn’t be because of Republican business owners contributions to campaign coffers to ensure an ample supply of cheap labor, could it?
It doesn’t matter who goes to the polls or how they vote. All that matters is who counts the votes.
We have no elections. We have no rule of law. And never will have either unless somebody gets serious about fighting to get them back. That’s where we’re at. At this point elections and impotent House Committee investigations are just distractions to make us think that we’ve still got those foundations of a Constitutional Republic. We don’t, and the people need to know it because there is fast becoming only one “box” left to us that will preserve our freedom and civilization - and the regime is working their butts off trying to make sure there’s none of that left for civilians either.
He is a Democrat who defeated Dick Armeys son in the primary a decade ago and thinks he can stay in Congress forever playing Conservative
Primary his ass and get rid of him
The only way to get the castraties (sp?) in office to do what is right on ANYTHING is to make it absolutely clear to them that the public - even the critically-dangerous low-information voters - know what is going on and will not stand for it. And that will never happen unless the evidence and testimony showing the lawlessness and crimes of this regime can be forced, in a setting that the press HAS to cover. That is the only way to make the members of Congress - and anybody else in the entire system - accountable, and without accountability we are GUARANTEED absolute corruption regardless of who we pick to go to DC and become a turd.
EXACTLY what I was thinking as I watched that exchange.
Of course we have rule of law. "Innocent until proven guilty" still applies, as well. Where's the hard evidence that Obama is guilty of impeachable crimes?
"I don't like his face" isn't evidence, either.
Congress has to act boldly in order to wake people up to hold Congress accountable? That’s not what Congress—any Congress—does.
The investigations/hearings need to continue, and the GOP or Tea Party or whoever needs to get a message together as to why Obama is the devil. It’s not enough just to say that he’s the devil.
-— . Where’s the hard evidence that Obama is guilty of impeachable crimes? ——
Seriesly?
Unilaterally declaring Congress in recess to ram through his court appointments. Countless unconstitutional executive orders. Benghazi. IRS.
Don’t tell me that the latter two lack evidence, because HE has failed to investigate these high crimes. These are crimes of ommission.
Here’s a “Lengthy Legacy of Lawlessness” from IBD.
There is NOTHING (yet) that points directly to Obama on Benghazi and the IRS. I definitely believe he is 100% involved, but that is not evidence. Until we get that evidence, he walks, it’s as simple as that.
After watching the vid, i’ve been thinking Congressman Burgess just punked the crowd by using Hussein’s tactic of D I V E R S I O N from a real solution .
He posted a forged birth certificate. Hawaii has effectively confirmed that he has no legally-valid BC at the HDOH, so he could not lawfully swear that he was eligible, which means that he has committed perjury every time he has sworn that he was eligible and committed election fraud every time he applied to be on any ballot. He is guilty of contempt of court down in Georgia, and the only reason he hasn’t been charged with anything is because the same judge who claimed Obama eligible to be on the ballot based on “judge’s knowledge” also refused to certify the proceedings so the record could be sent on for the contempt charges to be filed.
He visited frequently with Lois Lerner, who deliberately targeted conservative groups to obstruct so that those groups could not impact the 2012 election - while at the same time Lerner personally approved the tax exempt status for Obama’s brother Malik, who is fundraising for Hamas, a known terrorist organization - the same organization that Obama paid Morsi 8 BILLION dollars to get installed in the Israel-adjacent areas of Egypt. All that strongly suggests that these IRS actions came directly from Obama.
His administration has refused to respond to House subpoenas or judges’ orders. He has undone Congress by delaying some parts of Obamacare, as if the executive can make the laws on his own.
He has armed the Syrian resistance which has sworn to destroy America once they’re done with Assad, and he has overseen the distribution of over 20,000 Manpads to terrorists - each one of which could bring down an airplane and cause casualties similar to 9-11.
He has committed acts of war against Mexico by arming the drug cartels with weapons (including military-grade weapons) that had no tracking devices and could only be traced to the US once they had been found at crime scenes. He did this to ENTRAP innocent gun dealers in Arizona and Texas - dealers who were FORCED to sell guns to the cartels against their will.
He met with the Saudi ambassador when it was discovered that the Saudi “person of interest” captured by the Boston Police at the finish line of the Boston marathon was actually Hamza, the son of Osama Bin Laden. He had somebody remove the “known terrorist” classification from Al-Hamdi/Hamza so he could swiftly be flown off to Saudi Arabia before the Boston Police or FBI could bring him to justice - but only after Michelle Obama herself went and did a high-five with him in the hospital for the whole Muslim world to see and gloat about. And, as if that wasn’t enough gloating, they allowed Hamza to come to a July 4th celebration at the White House for the military, so he could gloat before the very men who are supposed to be fighting known terrorists. This is “giving aid and comfort to America’s enemies” in the worst possible way, and ten members of Congress have the proof of it in their hands, given to them by spooks who captured the evidence before it was destroyed and who risked 20 years in prison to bring this treason to the attention of Congress.
How much time do you have? I could go on a long, long time.
The courts have interpreted the Constitution to mean that the only way a President can be held legally accountable for crimes is through the impeachment process. Obama is guilty of a multitude of crimes, and if the Senate is known by everybody to be the fox guarding the henhouse - the “police” making sure that their buddies can’t ever get prosecuted - then that makes the SEnate an accomplice to all those crimes.
So hell yeah, the Congress needs to hold itself accountable. They are the only ones who can, as the Constitution is currently interpreted. If they don’t, then they are ALL accomplices to the crimes. The Founding Fathers who said that absolute power corrupts absolutely CERTAINLY never meant for politicians to be their own accountability, but that’s where we’re stuck right now because of an idiotic, out-of-control judiciary.
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