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Obama administration had restrictions on NSA reversed in 2011
The Washington Post ^ | Ellen Nakashima

Posted on 09/08/2013 6:59:34 AM PDT by originalbuckeye

The Obama administration secretly won permission from a surveillance court in 2011 to reverse restrictions on the National Security Agency’s use of intercepted phone calls and e-mails, permitting the agency to search deliberately for Americans’ communications in its massive databases, according to interviews with government officials and recently declassified material.

In addition, the court extended the length of time that the NSA is allowed to retain intercepted U.S. communications from five years to six years — and more under special circumstances, according to the documents, which include a recently released 2011 opinion by U.S. District Judge John D. Bates, then chief judge of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

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To: Jack Hydrazine
All they had to do was read, "1984."

They did read 1984... as a guide.

41 posted on 09/08/2013 1:06:26 PM PDT by shego
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks originalbuckeye.

42 posted on 09/08/2013 1:53:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's no coincidence that some "conservatives" echo the hard left.)
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To: null and void

acccckkkk....has the NSA been taking over your ‘puter???

43 posted on 09/08/2013 2:15:55 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster

Nahhh, just a hardware failure on an old drive. I knew it was coming, bought a 1TB USB back-up drive and backed everything up on 7/10, then didn’t have the wit to do daily backups afterwards...

44 posted on 09/08/2013 2:18:35 PM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: null and void

I feel your pain. Everything is a chore, like trying to walk with 500-pound boots on. Good luck getting everything back where it needs to be.

45 posted on 09/08/2013 2:23:19 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: null and void

If it’s an iMac, and hence the backup disk can be left plugged in and turned on full-time, shouldn’t the automatic “no action required” system of Mac OS’s “Time Machine” suffice?

46 posted on 09/08/2013 2:39:16 PM PDT by Yossarian
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To: null and void

Ah the old oopsie..... has happened to all of us at least once ;)

47 posted on 09/08/2013 2:44:33 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: originalbuckeye

April 20 and 22nd, 2011 was when the Obama regime requested the ban to be lifted.

The big thing in the news was Donald Trump saying Obama should release his birth certificate. April 22nd was the day that Obama requested a copy of his BC. That is what was on his mind at that time.

So yes, this was about the 2012 election.

And I wonder how many of Trump’s communications were looked at, and what role that had in the current fraud charges against him (by the NY AG?) This could be a very visible and illustrative example of what they intended - and did - with that “national security” information...

48 posted on 09/08/2013 3:01:27 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: Yossarian


49 posted on 09/08/2013 3:35:01 PM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: butterdezillion

My desktop shut down and restarted just the internet while I was in the middle of posting so I’ll try again on my laptop.

It looks like they have 30 days to get approval once they’ve submitted a “certification” saying how they will use the data. The documentation for the previous certification was handled by NSA and FBI on April 11 and 13th, 2011. Two weeks later, in a sudden about-face, they decided to request sweeping changes, with the applications for that sweeping request submitted the same day as Obama requested his long-form BC and 2 days before that.

While the court is considering a certification the collections can occur as if approval was given, if the court approves, and the Obama regime argued that national security would be compromised if the collections were not allowed, in all the extensions they requested through at least September. The court approved the collections while they considered the certification. My computer wouldn’t let me scroll properly so I wasn’t able to see when the final decision was made by the court but it had to be October or later.

I haven’t read the decision all the way through, and skimmed parts of it, but part of the issue was how they could access data - particularly whether they could get access to records that weren’t specifically to or from a specific search term, but also get access to records that were simply ABOUT a search term. IIRC, that’s the difference between being able to see all the records to or from Osama Bin Laden, versus being able to see all records that MENTION Osama Bin Laden. And it involves whether they can look for senders or recipients with US names - which, IIRC, means they could look for all communications to or from Donald Trump, supposedly on the suspicion that he’s been conversing with foreign terrorists whose names they don’t yet know. Or they could look for all communications that I’ve made, or anybody else.

I’ve spent too much time looking at this already, but even from what little I’ve seen, this stinks to high heaven. I would dearly love to find out when the Orly judge overturned the FISA court denials, and how it connects to these dates and events. My mind is too full; I can’t remember the name of the Orly judge who overturned 2 previous judges’ denials of access for the Obama regime and later on claimed that his staff had “misfiled” the record so that nobody was able to find it in a search of PACER (the government’s listing of court records). Anybody remember that judge’s name, or have a handy link to the information about his involvement with the FISA court?

50 posted on 09/08/2013 3:55:26 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: null and void
Yeah, the hard drive.


51 posted on 09/08/2013 4:35:46 PM PDT by upchuck (The nobama regime: a string of omnishambles that stretches, seemingly, to infinity.)
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To: BykrBayb

Hey, that’s a really good idea.

52 posted on 09/08/2013 4:36:44 PM PDT by upchuck (The nobama regime: a string of omnishambles that stretches, seemingly, to infinity.)
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To: upchuck

Most recent on 7/10.

53 posted on 09/08/2013 4:44:31 PM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: originalbuckeye

54 posted on 09/08/2013 4:48:32 PM PDT by Arthurio
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To: paythefiddler; LucyT; null and void; rolling_stone; bitt; Nachum; Venturer; little jeremiah; ...

I remembered: Royce Lamberth. But it wasn’t about the FISA Court (although Lamberth did lead the FISA court right after 9-11). It was about Eric Holder getting a warrant to snoop in James Rosen’s emails and phone calls (as well as those of his family, if I understand correctly) in May of 2010. The previous judge had said Holder had to notify Rosen about the warrant but Lamberth said he didn’t have to. Lamberth sealed his decision/order until November of 2011 (which probably ends up about the time that the Obama regime got express permission to snoop in everybody’s communications so they didn’t need warrants any more, to have the same access). But a clerk “misfiled” the docket filings so that it couldn’t be found, until somebody looking for something else in PACER found it and reported it, shortly after the snooping on Rosen had been exposed to the public; Lamberth apologized for the “misfiling” in May of 2013.

According to Wikipedis ( )the story Rosen was working on involved North Korea’s nuclear capabilities. According to , European intelligence sources in 2010 claimed that North Korea had tested nukes and by 2012 both South Korea and China were saying that North Korea had a nuke capable of an EMP attack. In hindsight this was a critical time for North Korea’s capabilities because in December of 2012 North Korea did a supposed test-fire of an ICBM that went over the South pole and then on up towards the US, putting into partial-orbit a 200-pound “package” - the right weight and altitude to be a nuke for an EMP attack. That possible EMP nuke is facing us from the south, where there is a large hole in our radar capabilities. If that is an EMP nuke, it means that North Korea has the capability - at any moment, with no advance notice - to create the cataclysmic EMP-type event that one dem Congresswoman has said is ONE HUNDRED PERCENT PROBABLE to happen, and the “natural disaster” (cough) that Janet Napolitano has said is coming, that will dwarf anything that’s ever happened in this country. It would also explain why DHS and FEMA are collecting so many body bags, ammunition, and Humvees - as well as why there will be a drill in November simulating a total shutdown of all North American power grids.

IOW, in 2010 Rosen was working on a story that might have alerted the US public and Congress to North Korea’s EMP capabilities, which have since perhaps been put into place to make possible at a moment’s notice (and without advance warning, except to those who have planned it...) the attack on the US that Napolitano, the dem Congresswaoman, DHS, and FEMA have all been anticipating.

So why did Eric Holder want to stop Rosen from alerting the world to North Korea’s nuclear capabilities, at a time when the news companies were lulling the US into thinking North Korea had made no nuclear/delivery progress, instead of reporting the dire warnings of experts such as Peter Vincent Pry, the author of the above-linked article?

Call me crazy, but I REALLY think there is more to the Rosen story than just the general outrage of FBI snooping on news reporters. There were any number of reporters the FBI could have snooped on; this was a story that could have produced a Congressional response that could have truly kept the US safe from the kind of attack that a dem congresswoman now says is 100% likely to happen. And what potential crime did the FBI have probable cause for, that a judge would have granted that warrant for Rosen’s phone calls and emails? This wasn’t NSA; this was FBI. To get a warrant they have to have probable cause. Did Eric Holder claim that James Rosen was HELPING the North Koreans develop nukes and/or delivery systems?

55 posted on 09/08/2013 5:07:16 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: butterdezillion

That failed nuke test the Norks had a while back?

Was it a failed A-bomb or a successful neutron or EMP bomb?

56 posted on 09/08/2013 5:15:03 PM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: butterdezillion

Specifically, the Congressional response that could have kept us safe would be the repair of the radar hole that North Korea appears to be exploiting. Obama was pushing to REDUCE our missile defense system. Knowing what we know now about North Korea, the Heritage article at may tell us much about why James Rosen was targeted by Eric Holder. In order to get martial law and complete the communist-Islamist coup begun in 2008, the Obama regime needed to destroy our missile defense at the same time as enabling our enemies to strike us because of the vulnerabilities.

The military is the only area of government that Obama et al have been willing to make real spending cuts, and the cuts they have made have been ones that make us particularly vulnerable. For instance, our southern radar is critical right now in the light of North Korea’s potential EMP nuke in orbit, but if I’m understanding correctly the balloons that were supposed to be watching our southern side were shut down as a result of the sequester - where Obama agreed to do minor spending cuts in some areas as long as the military spending was cut much more sharply.

And while we’re leaving our vulnerable southern side WIDE OPEN TO ATTACK and cutting the missile defense that could try to stop an EMP if we did manage to detect it in mid-act.... Obama is pushing for us to spend what little defense budget we’ve got left to support the heart-eating, “we’ll kill all the Christians” terrorists in Syria!!

The Taliban is on the inside of the building. This is what happens when we allow a foreign enemy combatant to live in our White House.

57 posted on 09/08/2013 5:26:32 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: butterdezillion
I don't believe that a single EMP weapon will be as devastating as suggested. And I doubt the NORKS are capable of delivering one.

A resident expert on this subject has flamed me here and I am still convinced my position is correct.

A single EMP weapon could effectively kill a major city. Not the people directly, but the equipment that delivers food, provides power, the computers that run the traffic systems.

Our response? Glass parking lots in NORKland.

58 posted on 09/08/2013 5:27:56 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: null and void

Which one?

Sounds like Peter Vincent Pry strongly suspects they’ve only been working on the low-yield neutron or EMP stuff, and already have it orbiting our southern side ready to go at a moment’s notice. Or at the very least have the delivery mechanism established so that they could send one over at any time.

What I learned last time Kim Jong Un was making noise was that we can tell when they’re getting ready to fire missiles because it takes a long time to fuel up. That’s how we knew the threat was serious last time; they were fueled up and ready to go. That being the case, the way to be a serious threat is by putting something in orbit. And if I remember correctly what I read from Pry and other experts, it is suspected that both North Korea and Iran either have a bomb in orbit ready to use or can get it there without too much trouble; both have had tests that were hailed in the media as failures from a standard-nuke perspective but which were specifically designed for EMP capabilities.

I thought I saw a headline about Russia saying if we attack Syria there will be nuclear war. Russia and China are believed to be the ones supplying North Korea with the EMP capabilities, and they are allies of North Korea. And North Korea was helping Bashar Assad with nuke capabilities; that’s why Israel had to strike the Syrian nuke site.

What Obama is doing right now is the perfect set-up for North Korea to detonate an EMP at Putin’s urging in retaliation for a Syria attack.

At least that’s how it looks to me. And the bad thing is I don’t trust the government or DOD “experts” to be rooting for America. Like I said, this is what we get when we let a foreign enemy combatant live in our White House. What is impossible to him from that position, given the compromised government, media, law enforcement, and courts?

59 posted on 09/08/2013 5:38:55 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: Texas Fossil

You think our power grids are safe from the effects of an EMP? As I understand it, it is the power grid as well as the non-shielded electronics that are used by critical infrastructure which are believed to be so vulnerable and dangerous.

On what do you base your belief that the Norks couldn’t deliver? We know that in December of 2012 they put a 200-pound package into orbit directly to our south. What makes you believe that it’s NOT an EMP, against what Peter Vincent Pry has said?

60 posted on 09/08/2013 5:42:48 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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