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What preserved T. rex tissue? Mystery explained at last
NBC News ^ | November 27 | Stephanie Pappas

Posted on 12/02/2013 10:18:24 AM PST by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

The controversial discovery of 68 million-year-old soft tissue from the bones of a Tyrannosaurus rex finally has a physical explanation. According to newly published research, iron in the dinosaur's body preserved the tissue before it could decay.

The research, headed by Mary Schweitzer, a molecular paleontologist at North Carolina State University, explains how proteins — and possibly even DNA — can survive for millennia. Schweitzer and her colleagues first raised this question in 2005, when they found the seemingly impossible: soft tissue preserved inside the leg of an adolescent T. rex unearthed in Montana.

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Because I know several Freepers have been following these findings with interest.
1 posted on 12/02/2013 10:18:24 AM PST by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

LOL, they keep trying and failing.


2 posted on 12/02/2013 10:22:24 AM PST by Mechanicos (When did we amend the Constitution for a 2nd Federal Prohibition?)
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

Millennia and 10’s of millions of years are two very different things. Being a young earther I have no problem with this and it just shows that the science supports my view.


3 posted on 12/02/2013 10:25:37 AM PST by trapped_in_LA
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
I blame someone using one of these:


4 posted on 12/02/2013 10:27:45 AM PST by GraceG
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To: trapped_in_LA

As we all know humans are descended from mating between dinosaurs and lemurs....


5 posted on 12/02/2013 10:28:22 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: trapped_in_LA

Maybe it’s not tens of millions of years old.

There is proof that man and dinosaurs did live at the same time.


6 posted on 12/02/2013 10:30:24 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

I just want to point out at this time that this is NOT my fault.


7 posted on 12/02/2013 10:31:59 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: ReagansShinyHair

The explanation is bizarre.


8 posted on 12/02/2013 10:32:56 AM PST by Azeem (There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
There is proof that man and dinosaurs did live at the same time.

It is simply impossible for that to be the case.
9 posted on 12/02/2013 10:34:32 AM PST by ZX12R (Never forget the heroes of Benghazi, who were abandoned to their deaths by Obama)
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To: ZX12R

Why? Explain cave drawings of dinosaurs. How did they know what to draw if they had never seen one?


10 posted on 12/02/2013 10:35:33 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: GeronL
As we all know humans are descended from mating between dinosaurs and lemurs....

.... or a female chimpanzee mated with a pig

11 posted on 12/02/2013 10:36:02 AM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

So... these dinosaurs, fair to say they had an iron constitution?


12 posted on 12/02/2013 10:38:53 AM PST by Dysart (Obamacare: "We are losing money on every subscriber-- but we will make it up in volume!")
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

The major glaring fault in the article is the false assumption that dinosaurs lived millions and millions of years ago, when in fact, dinosaurs lived a few thousand years ago.


13 posted on 12/02/2013 10:40:34 AM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: Jack Hydrazine
*Maybe it’s not tens of millions of years old.

There is proof that man and dinosaurs did live at the same time.*

Correct.

There are hundreds of clay dinosaurs and other artifacts with dinosaurs on them from Mexico, Central America and Peru that are between a few hundred and about a thousand years old.

The word dinosaur was only coined in the 1800’s after most or all of them were gone. They were called dragons before that. People began to think that dragons (dinosaurs) were a myth since there weren't any around anymore.

Many writings about dragons all around the world lead many to believe that dinosaurs and humans were around at the same time.

I suspect that those trying to preserve the millions of years conjecture have found human bones and dinosaur bones together and didn't report it because it goes against their agenda.

14 posted on 12/02/2013 10:40:53 AM PST by PATRIOT1876
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To: Dysart
So... these dinosaurs, fair to say they had an iron constitution?

They took their vitamins!


15 posted on 12/02/2013 10:41:37 AM PST by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: ShadowAce
Explain cave drawings of dinosaurs.

Would you have a link? I'd like to take a look at them.

Full disclosure: I'm a Catholic, not a scientist, believe God made all Creation, and have no investment in a timeline one way or the other.

16 posted on 12/02/2013 10:45:48 AM PST by old and tired
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
Hmmmm. Iron acts as a preservative.

Importantly, Schweitzer and her colleagues have figured out how to remove the iron from their samples, which enables them to analyze the original proteins. They've even seen chemical reactions consistent with the presence of DNA, though Schweitzer is quick to note that she and her colleagues haven't proven that DNA is actually present.

Oh, yeah. Oooh, ahhh, that's how it always starts...

I think we've all seen how this movie ends.

... Then later there's running and screaming

17 posted on 12/02/2013 10:46:53 AM PST by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: ShadowAce

Technically you are right. The alligator and the crocodile are decedent of dinosaurs and as we know alive today. However there are no cave drawings of dinos. They are fakes.


18 posted on 12/02/2013 10:49:06 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: ShadowAce

From the Creation Museum.

It's not all that complicated and no one needs take yeas to study paleontology to know that man and dinosaurs lived at the very same time and that man even domesticated dinosaurs.

19 posted on 12/02/2013 10:51:25 AM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: ShadowAce
Why? Explain cave drawings of dinosaurs. How did they know what to draw if they had never seen one?

There are no legitimate drawings of dinosaurs. If someone claims there are, then they are just poorly drawn and poorly interpreted. That, or they are fakes.

If there were men at the time of the dinosaurs, mankind would have been terminated along with them. If there were dinosaurs at the time of men, some would still be with us somewhere today.

The expanse of time between them is prohibitive.
20 posted on 12/02/2013 10:51:51 AM PST by ZX12R (Never forget the heroes of Benghazi, who were abandoned to their deaths by Obama)
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To: ShadowAce
How did they know what to draw if they had never seen one?

By this reasoning, everything Picasso and Escher drew must exist in the real world.

21 posted on 12/02/2013 10:53:55 AM PST by kobald
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To: Oliviaforever
The major glaring fault in the article is the false assumption that dinosaurs lived millions and millions of years ago

It's not an assumption.

22 posted on 12/02/2013 10:54:32 AM PST by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: SunkenCiv

ping


23 posted on 12/02/2013 10:57:12 AM PST by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: GeronL
As we all know humans are descended from mating between dinosaurs and lemurs....

I thought we were descended from the mating of chimpanzees and pigs?

24 posted on 12/02/2013 11:00:30 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Mechanicos

Job 40:15–24 (NKJV)
15 “Look now at the behemoth, which I made along with you;
He eats grass like an ox.
16 See now, his strength is in his hips,
And his power is in his stomach muscles.
17 He moves his tail like a cedar;
The sinews of his thighs are tightly knit.
18 His bones are like beams of bronze,...


25 posted on 12/02/2013 11:03:07 AM PST by j_guru
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To: PATRIOT1876

“I suspect that those trying to preserve the millions of years conjecture have found human bones and dinosaur bones together and didn’t report it because it goes against their agenda. “

Exactly!

Those people that make there living by digging up bones that they claim came from dinosaurs would lose all there funding if it were known that their hundreds of millions of years ago so called theory were proven wrong.

Therefore, they must hide the fact that humans and dinosaurs lived together a few thousand years ago.

The dinosaur living millions of years ago is nothing but a big scam designed to fund paleontologists and natural history museums as well as to turn our children away from Biblical facts.


26 posted on 12/02/2013 11:04:28 AM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

“According to newly published research, iron in the dinosaur’s body preserved the tissue before it could decay”

I’m not buying it. The thought is that the iron in the blood creates radicals (highly reactive molecules) that destroy microbes responsible for degradation. The problem is that radicals are non specific and will react with just about any organic molecule. If that is the case they should also have degraded the proteins and other soft tissue. In addition, radicals produce characteristic types of damage to organics and it should be possible to determine if that has taken place.


27 posted on 12/02/2013 11:05:47 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: ZX12R
If there were dinosaurs at the time of men, some would still be with us somewhere today.

Really? You'd better tell these animals: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_extinctions
28 posted on 12/02/2013 11:05:59 AM PST by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: Oliviaforever; moder_ator

I smell a troll.


29 posted on 12/02/2013 11:06:49 AM PST by MeganC (Support Matt Bevin to oust Mitch McConnell! https://mattbevin.com/)
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To: j_guru

Careful, j_guru... I’ve seen where devout evolutionist apologists like to take this evidence.


30 posted on 12/02/2013 11:07:28 AM PST by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: kobald
By this reasoning, everything Picasso and Escher drew must exist in the real world.

Mermaids, unicorns, sea serpents, and everything else on old maps, too.

31 posted on 12/02/2013 11:08:27 AM PST by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: administrator

Potential troll ping.

Sorry, but this post just reeks of someone joining up as a sockpuppet on FR just to post stuff they can later cite as a reason to discredit FR.


32 posted on 12/02/2013 11:08:30 AM PST by MeganC (Support Matt Bevin to oust Mitch McConnell! https://mattbevin.com/)
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To: ZX12R

Pterodactyl sightings:

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2012/04/stunning-evidence-of-living-pterodactyls-2064568.html

Do you think all these people who have actually seen pterodactyls are making it all up?


33 posted on 12/02/2013 11:10:03 AM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: Alex Murphy

That theory is so yesterday

/s


34 posted on 12/02/2013 11:10:21 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
There is proof that man and dinosaurs did live at the same time.

Land of the Lost was not a documentary.

35 posted on 12/02/2013 11:12:06 AM PST by gdani
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To: GeronL

Negative. That Univ Georgia professor claims pigs and apes mated to produce humanity.


36 posted on 12/02/2013 11:12:42 AM PST by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude
I’m not buying it.

Others aren't buying it either, at least not yet. In typical popular science headline writing fashion, "mystery explained at last" is way overstating the case. More like, "possible explanation proposed, some evidence offered, awaiting further experimental confirmation."

37 posted on 12/02/2013 11:13:23 AM PST by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: Sopater
Really? You'd better tell these animals: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_extinctions

I didn't see anything that could be called a dinosaur.
38 posted on 12/02/2013 11:14:03 AM PST by ZX12R (Never forget the heroes of Benghazi, who were abandoned to their deaths by Obama)
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To: Oliviaforever
Do you think all these people who have actually seen pterodactyls are making it all up?

Written accounts, derived from verbal accounts, are on the same level of value as stories of ghosts or leprechauns.
39 posted on 12/02/2013 11:18:49 AM PST by ZX12R (Never forget the heroes of Benghazi, who were abandoned to their deaths by Obama)
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To: ZX12R
I didn't see anything that could be called a dinosaur.

You said "If there were dinosaurs at the time of men, some would still be with us somewhere today."

I was merely pointing out that we don't have any of these animals here today, so why would you assume that we would still have dinosaurs here today?
40 posted on 12/02/2013 11:20:06 AM PST by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: Oliviaforever

>The dinosaur living millions of years ago is nothing but a big scam

Failed association or troll attempt.


41 posted on 12/02/2013 11:20:14 AM PST by soycd
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To: MeganC

I am not a troll for posting what is both my Christian faith and what I know to be scientifically factual.

There are no scientific facts that prove that dinosaurs lived 100 million years ago and there is much evidence that dinosaurs lived alongside man. See other posts about cave drawings of dinosaurs.


42 posted on 12/02/2013 11:20:39 AM PST by Oliviaforever
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

“The major glaring fault in the article is the false assumption that dinosaurs lived millions and millions of years ago”

Ha ha said to the above, “It’s not an assumption.”

Dating rocks by radioactive timekeepers is simple in theory, but almost all of the different methods (except for the isochron methods) rely on these few basic assumptions:

1. Beginning Conditions Known

2, Beginning Ratio of Daughter to Parent Isotope Known (zero date problem)

3. Constant Decay Rate

4, No Leaching or Addition of Parent or Daughter Isotopes

5. All Assumptions Valid for Billions of Years

6. There is also a difficulty in measuring precisely very small amounts of the various isotopes

Stanssen, Chris., Isochron Dating, Sept., 1998.
(http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/isochron-dating.html)


43 posted on 12/02/2013 11:22:40 AM PST by Mechanicos (When did we amend the Constitution for a 2nd Federal Prohibition?)
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To: RoadGumby

I think my theory is just as valid, now I need to find a professor....


44 posted on 12/02/2013 11:22:53 AM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: ZX12R

The Torah (aka Bible) says it.

And there is proof of it in this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoRSBGD7vbA
Start at about the 1:20:00 mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOrn_z9m9lU&list=RDsv3py3Ap8_Y


45 posted on 12/02/2013 11:23:50 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: old and tired
Here's an example, though not a very good one.
46 posted on 12/02/2013 11:24:16 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

Now we don’t know what this critter is, but it sounds a lot like a dinosauer:

Job 40:15 “Behold, Behemoth,
which I made as I made you;
he eats grass like an ox.
16 Behold, his strength in his loins,
and his power in the muscles of his belly.
17 He makes his tail stiff like a cedar;
the sinews of his thighs are knit together.
18 His bones are tubes of bronze,
his limbs like bars of iron.


47 posted on 12/02/2013 11:24:36 AM PST by Gamecock (If you like your constitution, you can keep your constitution. Period. (M.S.))
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To: ShadowAce

Thanks! Would you mind pinging me if you come across any others, please?


48 posted on 12/02/2013 11:26:24 AM PST by old and tired
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To: Sopater
I was merely pointing out that we don't have any of these animals here today, so why would you assume that we would still have dinosaurs here today?

Animals and plants go extinct regularly. That is not the way the dinosaurs went out. Although precisely how long it took to wipe out the dinosaurs could be disputed, it was still a pretty wholesale elimination. No dinosaur fossils found in the strata after that approximate time. But if there had been dinosaurs several thousand years ago, I think it a fair assumption that some may have made it this far.
49 posted on 12/02/2013 11:30:07 AM PST by ZX12R (Never forget the heroes of Benghazi, who were abandoned to their deaths by Obama)
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To: Gamecock

Did they even have bronze and iron when Job was alive?

Did they have mind altering drugs back then to go along with the wine?

Did they know what a spaceship was back then?
http://www.crystalinks.com/ufojesus2.jpg


50 posted on 12/02/2013 11:32:25 AM PST by eastforker (Cruz for steam in 2016)
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