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NSA officials consider Edward Snowden amnesty in return for documents
The Guardian ^ | 15 December 2013 | Spencer Ackerman

Posted on 12/15/2013 6:15:48 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum

National Security Agency officials are considering a controversial amnesty that would return Edward Snowden to the United States, in exchange for the extensive document trove the whistleblower took from the agency.

An amnesty, which does not have the support of the State Department, would represent a surprising denouement to an international drama that has lasted half a year. It is particularly unexpected from a surveillance agency that has spent months insisting that Snowden’s disclosures have caused vast damage to US national security.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: nsa; snowden; snowdenamnesty
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To: Slyfox; E. Pluribus Unum

No, Edward.

No, no, no, no, no. A thousand times no.

Even 0hbama admits he lies.

Take a look at last week’s newspapers and read about the U.S. gov breaking their promises to both active duty, and retired American Military.

If our own gov willingly and openly betrays millions of Americans, what will they do to you? Esp since they have the ability to off *anyone* and make it look like a tragic accident.


61 posted on 12/15/2013 9:49:31 PM PST by LucyT ( If you're NOT paranoid, you don't know what's going on.)
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To: B4Ranch
If our elected officials had OBEYED their Oath of Office Snowden never would have had reason to steal documents from NSA in the first place.

Motives (and Snowdens) are a dime a dozen. The problem is not Snowden's specific motive, but that someone in Snowden's position could get away with stealing so much sensitive data without being caught.

You should be angry at the officials who deserve to be arrested for not obeying their sworn oath, not the whistleblower!

No, I'm mostly angry at the technical staff who set up the inadequate security safeguards on the data, and the officials signed off on those safeguards. That process was beyond the ken of those elected officials.

I don't care about Snowden. He did a great service for America and he betrayed America. How do you parse that? It might come out in a trial, but there will probably never be a trial. America's future is important, Snowden's future is not.

62 posted on 12/15/2013 10:30:56 PM PST by TChad (The Obamacare motto: Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.)
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To: TChad
This is a correction to my post above.

No, I'm mostly angry at the technical staff who set up the inadequate security safeguards on the data, and the officials signed off on those safeguards. That process was beyond the ken of those elected officials.

should say:

No, I'm mostly angry at the NSA technical staff who set up the inadequate security safeguards on the data, and the NSA supervisors who signed off on those safeguards. That process was beyond the ken of elected officials.
Bah.
63 posted on 12/15/2013 10:35:14 PM PST by TChad (The Obamacare motto: Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Sorry but you are wrong. The US returned a Russian seaman Simas Kudirka in the 1970’s after he physically jumped his ship and swam to an American one.

When he was returned, he was sent to a labor camp for nearly 10 years before we got him out (I think it was Reagan who did it).

There might have been some Cubans who were also returned (Elian Gonzalez, as an in loco parentis case).

By the way, Snowden should be shot as a traitor.


64 posted on 12/15/2013 10:37:31 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Bobalu
Probably several such copies stashed here and there.

The more copies laying around, the higher the risk of one being found. If he even knows where there's a copy, then he becomes a target for being tortured into giving it up.

65 posted on 12/16/2013 12:34:23 AM PST by Cementjungle
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To: Cementjungle

Yes, it’s a very dangerous game Snowden is playing.

Not too many people have the combination of courage and intelligence to pull such a thing off.

I wish him well.


66 posted on 12/16/2013 12:42:35 AM PST by Bobalu (White Boy Think A Lot)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Snowden would be a sellout for taking amnesty, assuming it’s not a trick. He didn’t do what he did for money.


67 posted on 12/16/2013 4:01:06 AM PST by mikey_hates_everything
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

His mother was born in Brooklyn, therefore, he was an American citizen by birth. His release was based on that criteria...nothing to do with the asylum rules between the USA and Russia.


68 posted on 12/16/2013 4:12:04 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: GOP Poet

Are they just using this to test him and discover more information? If he hasn’t handed off the documents, then he would try to go for their deal?


69 posted on 12/16/2013 4:22:30 AM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

http://www.mvmagazine.com/2005/not-summer/simas_kudirka.php


70 posted on 12/16/2013 4:28:26 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Irenic

He sought amnesty because he knows exactly what his fate would be if he returned or exposed himself. He’s not about to backtrack on his decision to seek asylum.


71 posted on 12/16/2013 4:31:25 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

That’s what I would think but this whole amnesty thing is puzzling to me.

Are they trying to put the Russians on edge, cause the Russians to spy on Snowden or worse by putting this out there?

They have a reason for throwing this out there, I wish I could figure it out.


72 posted on 12/16/2013 4:36:45 AM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Irenic
Obama thinks being anti-Russia is pro-USA. Don't forget, Obama has been totally embarrassed by the Russians...more than once.....

first, Obama told Russia to MYOB when we were informed about the Boston bombers. And we were told about them more than once.

Then there's the chem weapons in Syria...Russia got that done...not the USA. AND the USA NEVER could prove who "delivered" the chem weapons that killed so many. Russia had it right again...the USA should stop supporting the muzzie rebels...they're murdering Christians right and left.

Amnesty....Putin must be laughing...IMOW...Obama is a stupid man. We know he lies. His own people knows he lies. They will execute Snowden as soon as he steps out of Russia. He is safe here.

73 posted on 12/16/2013 4:58:51 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau
the USA should stop supporting the muzzie rebels.

Add commies to that list because the rebels who aren't fighting for Islam to rule are fighting for communism. At least that's what one of the lead rebels told a news outlet a few days ago.

So if the rebels hate a dictator so much-- why would they fight to have communism or even Islam? The communist lovers are the supposed moderate rebels.

Communism and Socialism are making a roaring comeback. It seems the whole world, even the USA is rushing towards it. It breaks my heart.

74 posted on 12/16/2013 5:06:56 AM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Irenic
They have a reason for throwing this out there, I wish I could figure it out.

Pure PR.

They want to be able to say "We offered him amnesty, and he refused!"

Anyone with a brain knows the U.S. government can't be trusted.

75 posted on 12/16/2013 8:16:07 AM PST by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: TChad

Until we replace the ones who authorized NSA and authorized their actions, meaning legislators who don’t have any reason to OBEY their Oath of Office, we will not have corrected the situation. The technicians and engineers who designed, maintained or operated NSA do not share the blame for the inception or poor operation practices because they could not authorize any step of the problem. THE LEGISLATORS ARE THE PROBLEM


76 posted on 12/16/2013 9:47:13 AM PST by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: Revolting cat!; Slings and Arrows; GeronL

How does one “return” electronic copies of documents?

Genie is out of the bottle.


77 posted on 12/16/2013 5:29:57 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Oh rllly? Thanks E. Pluribus Unum.

White House says Snowden should still face charges in U.S.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3102378/posts


78 posted on 12/16/2013 5:44:23 PM PST by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/~mestamachine/)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
By the way, Snowden should be shot as a traitor.

You're right - Snowden is treasonous scum.

"Another hint of his whistleblower conscience, aside from the telltale hoodie: Snowden kept a copy of the constitution on his desk to cite when arguing against NSA activities he thought might violate it."

Can you believe that? HOW DARE HE question the tyranny!

79 posted on 12/16/2013 6:04:40 PM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Sacajaweau
little faggot

mann up and posting us which little faggot you mean in a present participilant kind of way

80 posted on 12/16/2013 6:05:10 PM PST by bigheadfred
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