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Don't let Florida fall for the big con (Anti Convention of States fear tactics here)
National Association for Gun Rights ^ | 03/20/2015 05:03:38 am | Dudley Brow

Posted on 03/20/2015 7:25:15 AM PDT by GILTN1stborn

If only the Founders were as smart and trustworthy as today’s politicians, then we wouldn’t have all the problems we see nowadays.”

No, that’s not a talking point from anti-gun nanny staters like BILLIONAIRE anti-gun activist Michael Bloomberg or even President Obama.

I’m afraid it’s pure snake oil being peddled by professional “conservative” charlatans -- with help from a handful of political celebrities who should know better -- demanding a state-initiated Article V Constitutional Convention.

I’ve ignored the Constitutional Convention con (more aptly named "Con-Con") job until now -- hoping and praying it would just fall flat before it gained too much steam.

But I can’t any longer.

I’m sick of seeing good folks get duped with this fool’s gold.

And I’m worried what this could mean for the future of our Second Amendment rights . . .

The truth is, if those pushing a Con-Con ever succeed, ALL of our freedoms protected by the United States Constitution -- including the Second Amendment -- would be put on the chopping block!

That’s why I’m counting on your action today.

There’s no doubt that Washington, D.C. has spun out-of-control in recent years.

And I know fixing their mess is the motivation behind many misguided folks who are pushing this scheme.

But a Con-Con is NOT the answer for several critical reasons.

As Article V of the United States Constitution provides, states can bypass Congress to call for a Constitutional Convention.

34 states would be required to initiate a Con-Con.

Besides those very general parameters, the Constitution is silent on much of the process. But this much is sure: >>> DELEGATES WOULD BE SELECTED BY STATE GOVERNMENTS IN THE MANNER OF THEIR OWN CHOOSING.

Just imagine the millions of dollars Bloomberg would pour in to ensure his minions are the ones rewriting our nation’s founding document in a Con-Con!

Even in the best of cases, delegate selection is likely to be little more than a popularity contest with our anti-gun media demanding the selection of “reasonable” choices who can “work with both sides.”

In fact, they're likely to be many of the exact same Congressmen and Senators who are ignoring the Constitution now!

Without patriots like James Madison and Benjamin Franklin, would you trust these folks if the convention went behind closed doors -- like the 1789 convention in Philadelphia did?

>>> THE CON-CON ITSELF WOULD BE CHAOS.

Just imagine the special interests and protesters lining up to demand their piece of the pie. Imagine our anti-gun national media types doing everything they can to skew the convention outcome.

Those of us who would like to see our Second Amendment and the rest of our Constitution untouched would be immediately demonized as “backward” and “radical.”

>>> A CON-CON WOULDN’T EVEN WORK.

The problems we face today are not the Founders’ faults, and there’s nothing wrong with the Constitution we have now.

The problem is that we have politicians who won’t obey it! That’s not going to change unless you and I FORCE them to take their oaths of office seriously.

>>> ANY NUMBER OF AMENDMENTS TO THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION COULD BE CONSIDERED.

This, by far, is the biggest danger -- and the biggest lie being spread by convention proponents who claim “there’s nothing to worry about.”

Yet even the groups pushing the Con-Con scheme can’t even agree on what they want to accomplish! And as former U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice Warren Burger wrote in 1983 -- the last time this scheme reared its ugly head:

“[T]here is no effective way to limit or muzzle the actions of a Constitutional Convention. The convention could make its own rules and set its own agenda . . . After a convention is convened, it will be too late to stop the convention if we don’t like its agenda.”

The moment a Con-Con convenes, you and I might as well kiss our Second Amendment rights goodbye.

If you’ve ever been to a political party convention, you’ve seen enough shenanigans to know they’re hardly a pristine processes.

In fact, I was a delegate to the Republican National Convention in 2012 and served on the Rules Committee.

There, I saw firsthand anti-gun establishment attorneys and GOP insiders run roughshod over the grassroots -- including using physical violence against an older woman.

Their goal was to ram through new rules to weaken grassroots’ influence on the Republican Party.

I was so furious I could hardly see straight.

Just imagine what you and I would see come out of a Con-Con with even more crooked players and even higher stakes!

*****, you and I want no part of this madness.

That’s why I’m counting on you to contact your State lawmakers and urge them to oppose HCR8005, SB1460, H0931, SB1242, or any other legislation calling for an Article V Convention.

As it stands now, three states -- Alaska, Florida and Georgia -- have passed resolutions calling for a Con-Con.

22 states have passed resolutions that naively call for a convention limited to just one issue -- something that would never happen.

And other resolutions are under consideration by even more state legislatures right now and meeting little opposition.

And anti-gun activist Michael Bloomberg must be grinning from ear-to-ear.

That’s why I’m counting on your action today to help me: 1) Prove to politicians in state legislatures across America that pro-Second Amendment patriots like you and me passionately OPPOSE the creation of a Con-Con;

2) Alert Second Amendment supporters in states considering this scheme to just how dangerous a Con-Con would be. My plan is to use everything from U.S. mail and email, to Internet, radio and even TV ads if necessary to ensure this scheme is stopped.

But I can’t do it without you.

The truth is, a Con-Con is NOT the solution -- but that doesn’t mean you and I can’t rein in Washington, D.C.

I know progress can seem painfully slow.

But you and I have made big progress over these past two years.

First, against all odds, President Obama’s anti-gun assault went down to defeat in 2013.

Then, in 2014, dozens of anti-gun politicians paid the price for their attacks.

But our job isn’t done yet.

So won’t you please contact your state lawmakers and urge them to oppose an Article V "Con-Con" right away?

You see, the solution to our problems is for you and millions of other patriotic Americans to continue holding politicians accountable for betraying their oaths of office.

Once politicians understand they can’t assault our freedoms without paying the price at the ballot box, they’ll stop.

It’s that simple.

You see, there isn’t a magic wand you and I can wave to restore America overnight.

I know many Americans want there to be.

Many folks want to jump into politics for a short time, fix the problems they see and then just get back to their lives.

It’s that instinct those who are pushing a Con-Con are preying on.

But as Thomas Jefferson said, “The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.”

*****, you and I can restore America.

But it’s going to take hard work and commitment -- like signing petitions, sending faxes, writing legislators, giving contributions and holding politicians accountable -- not snake oil solutions.

Those are the guiding principles behind everything your National Association for Gun Rights does.

So won’t you please contact your lawmakers right away?

Thank you for all you do.

For Freedom,

Signature Dudley Brown President

P.S. A dangerous threat to the Second Amendment has made its way to the Florida legislature.

That's right.

Right now snake-oil salesmen are trying to peddle their goods to Republican members of the Florida Legislature by pushing the dangerous Article V Constitutional Convention or "Con-Con" plan.

Please click here to contact your State lawmakers and urge them to oppose HCR8005, SB1460, H0931, SB1242, or any other legislation calling for an Article V Convention.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: articlev; concon; constitution; cos
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MY HEAD is exploding! I am done with this organization! They are fighting against a Convention of States. The very thing that is number one thing on my list of things to support. Captain Cynic and I have supported and volunteered for NAGR. This is more than the end of that support.
1 posted on 03/20/2015 7:25:16 AM PDT by GILTN1stborn
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To: GILTN1stborn

One by one, our Constitutional safety valves are being dismantled, and as each one is mocked or ignored, we take another step toward an explosion of civil war.


2 posted on 03/20/2015 7:30:17 AM PDT by Arkansas Toothpick
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To: Jacquerie; Publius

Ping


3 posted on 03/20/2015 7:31:48 AM PDT by Crazieman (Article V or National Divorce. The only solutions now.)
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To: Publius; Amendment10; Jacquerie; Repeal The 17th; Strawberry AZ; Art in Idaho

COS ping


4 posted on 03/20/2015 7:34:48 AM PDT by GILTN1stborn ( #rememberbenghazi #extortion17 #impeachobama)
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To: GILTN1stborn

There two seeming facts on which I linger. 1) An Article V convention has never been held, and thus explanations of how things would go in such cannot possibly be put down to “don’t worry about it, and 2) given the state of the evil and deviousness of the opposition and their insane ability to throw vast sums of money at any obstacle they encounter, doesn’t not give me the warm fuzzies with regard to such a convention’s outcome.

Were there only two choices between one of these and complete revolution, I’d choose the latter. IOW, I don’t trust any organized group any more.


5 posted on 03/20/2015 7:38:04 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

So, instead of following the constitution, we need to rewrite it. And you trust our current batch of commies and robber barons to rewrite it.


6 posted on 03/20/2015 7:42:05 AM PDT by thorvaldr
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To: thorvaldr

I said nothing of the sort. Show me where? I don’t trust anyone in today’s government to do anything right, but that doesn’t mean I’ll believe an untried solution will work either. COS has not been done. Revolution has.


7 posted on 03/20/2015 7:46:06 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer
Many of my FRiends have put things into words so well. Here is one excellent example for you. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3267858/posts?page=59

Mark Levin's book “The Liberty Amendments” is awesome and I have provided copies to many. Please consider reading that as well.

8 posted on 03/20/2015 7:52:19 AM PDT by GILTN1stborn ( #rememberbenghazi #extortion17 #impeachobama)
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To: GILTN1stborn

I’ve come to support the constitutional convention not because it will succeed but because it will fail and through that spectacular failure States will finally have the opportunity to break free from this doomed union. There is no incremental fixing of the the mess in DC especially with the kinds of worthless GOP pretending to take the lead there. We need an independent Stats of America. We can keep some of the conveniences of travel and trade but the Central government needs to go.


9 posted on 03/20/2015 7:54:12 AM PDT by Maelstorm (America wasn't founded with the battle cry give me Liberty or cut me a government check!".)
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To: Gaffer

I wasn’t referencing your comment specifically, just the entire concept of the COS. As hard as our current government works to weasel out of the constitution, I don’t trust them to actually screw with it. Matt Bracken spells out how he thinks that would look in “Domestic Enemies: The Reconquista (The Enemies Trilogy #2)”


10 posted on 03/20/2015 7:54:16 AM PDT by thorvaldr
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To: GILTN1stborn

If only the Founders were as smart and trustworthy as today’s politicians, then we wouldn’t have all the problems we see nowadays.”

Literally the opposite of what the CoS people are saying. What they are actually saying is:

“Thank God the founders were smart enough to allow us to alter the Constitution to undo damage done to it by later generations.”


11 posted on 03/20/2015 7:54:30 AM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: GILTN1stborn

More of the same JBS propaganda. They can’t come up with anything new, so they repeat. Ad infinitum.


12 posted on 03/20/2015 8:03:47 AM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: GILTN1stborn
It really sickens me when someone who claims to be a conservative is so focused on one single issue. It's like the pack of idiots (myself included) that allowed ourselves to be pulled along by the nose by Grover Norquist because he was the official voice of lower taxes.

How did that all work out for us?

13 posted on 03/20/2015 8:03:55 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Bogey78O
“Thank God the founders were smart enough to allow us to alter the Constitution to undo damage done to it by later generations.”

Amen

14 posted on 03/20/2015 8:09:32 AM PDT by GILTN1stborn ( #rememberbenghazi #extortion17 #impeachobama)
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To: GILTN1stborn

This guy is afraid of runaway convention!

There will be safeguards against that sort of things such as keeping the politicians out of it, limit it to what issues will be looked at and changes if needed. Term Limits.

And add some things to keep somebody like Obama and the like totally out of our government.

Your gun group may be kept out of it due to your attitude.


15 posted on 03/20/2015 8:23:30 AM PDT by Sen Jack S. Fogbound
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To: GILTN1stborn
When the first thing in an article is to give a concept a dirty name 'Con-Con' I'm wary. This is a constitution option, just because its never be used doesn't mean anything.

The real problem it that officials are exceeding the authority and congress is not cutting the money off. If a CoS will correct this I'm for it.

16 posted on 03/20/2015 8:25:58 AM PDT by virgil283
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To: Sen Jack S. Fogbound
There will be safeguards against that sort of things such as keeping the politicians out of it

If you believe that, I have the Brooklyn Bridge to sell.

17 posted on 03/20/2015 8:26:14 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Mike Pence in 2016)
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To: Darren McCarty

There are at least two safeguards. The first is a legislature can limit their delegation to certain acts. But let’s say the delegates ignore this and the state legislature doesn’t respond and at worse a runaway convention occurs.

They still need to get 2/3 approval by state.

If you’re that much of a pessimist that we’ll fair then I absolutely don’t want you on my side if bullets start flying.


18 posted on 03/20/2015 8:30:58 AM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: thorvaldr
"So, instead of following the constitution, we need to rewrite it. And you trust our current batch of commies and robber barons to rewrite it."

Even if the words and principles in the Constitution could be made more perfect, how do you change the souls of those who refuse to obey the document in the first place. Yes an A5 convention is a legitimate tool of change provided for in the Constitution,and yes the Republic is in peril, but I fear the unintended consequences of such an event.

19 posted on 03/20/2015 8:42:06 AM PDT by buckalfa (First time listener, long time caller.)
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To: Sen Jack S. Fogbound

They are Not my gun group- I am divorcing them. I am not very tolerant of Con Con hand wringers. Bye Bye NAGR.


20 posted on 03/20/2015 8:42:35 AM PDT by GILTN1stborn ( #rememberbenghazi #extortion17 #impeachobama)
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