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Det. Frank Serpico to Det. Joe Crystal: Nothing Has Changed in Police Work
Baltimore Post Examiner ^ | May 19, 2015 | By Doug Poppa

Posted on 05/24/2015 11:43:31 PM PDT by nickcarraway

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1 posted on 05/24/2015 11:43:31 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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There’s a two word description for the entire problem: union labor.

A good cop can’t blow the whistle on a bad cop because both cops are under the thumb of the union, which is filled with all the other cops who hold their brotherhood in the union at a higher level than their sworn duty and personal honor.

Not two minutes elapsed from the final capture of the Boston Marathon bomber, before one officer was on the radio wondering aloud to his fellows whether the night’s actions would be enough to knock down more money from City Hall.

Just two examples and, thousands more crawl out of departments around the country every year.

Union first; job...some ways down the line.


2 posted on 05/24/2015 11:58:59 PM PDT by HKMk23 (You ask how to fight an idea? Well, I'll tell you how: with another idea!)
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To: null and void

Ping!


3 posted on 05/25/2015 12:02:19 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("Nimue" - https://youtu.be/NHq7CtM9QMA | Facebook ID: Hopalong Q Ginsberg)
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Hard to swallow the assertions mentioned in the first paragraph. Serpico loses I guess...


4 posted on 05/25/2015 12:18:47 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: nickcarraway

Yes, that’s right...evil police cause all the problems in the inner-city. The solution of course is for the police to stop doing police work in those areas. Surely, the violent crime rate will go down in cities like Baltimore, won’t it? Okay, stop laughing.


5 posted on 05/25/2015 3:03:59 AM PDT by driftless2
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About one-third of the people killed by police are black. Presumably all of the other deaths (whites, Hispanics, Asians, American Indians) are justified, since there is never any media publicity about them.


6 posted on 05/25/2015 3:11:28 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus
The painful facts of the matter are:
(1) blacks are far more likely than other demographics to engage in (criminal) acts that will cause the police to show up
(2) blacks are far more likely to resist arrest (or even questioning) making it far more likely the police will have to take extra physical measures in settling the situation and
(3) blacks are far more likely than other groups to attack the police questioning or arresting them making them far more likely than other groups to get themselves seriously injured or killed.
7 posted on 05/25/2015 4:04:07 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: nickcarraway

Never had to fire your gun? Today ever son-of-obama is carrying. You gonna bring yer baton to a gunfight, if you’ll permit me to paraphrase?


8 posted on 05/25/2015 4:48:28 AM PDT by 9thLife (The dream is free. The hustle is sold separately.)
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To: nickcarraway

Will there be crime if there’s no one there to write reports about it? Public Unions suck, but there is a much bigger problem here. It’s the perception of the role of police in society. They are a politician’s virtual pawn and are treated as either the solver of all problems, relieving the people from responsibility by oppressing the opposition or the ultimate evil for oppressing the folks they are pandering to this week. Either way, they aren’t sure of what is expected by their master. Uncertainty, breeds aberrant behavior. It is a no win battle and cynicism is only one byproduct.


9 posted on 05/25/2015 4:55:42 AM PDT by Steamburg (Other people's money is the only language a politician respects)
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To: nickcarraway

Last decade we loved first responders. This decade we hate them! Orwell lives.


10 posted on 05/25/2015 5:00:50 AM PDT by Raycpa
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Moral...... clearly, the police need the baton returned as a tool to destroy the will and ability of a belligerent resisting arrest.


11 posted on 05/25/2015 5:05:18 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12, 73, ..... No peace? then no peace!)
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yep - good point
‘non lethal’ arms have been restricted until the sidearm is a first and last resort.


12 posted on 05/25/2015 5:20:50 AM PDT by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: Steamburg

Good point, but I’d also suggest that some types of police work are symptomatic of an out-of-control police state. I don’t believe that the whole idea of police officers serving as an armed security force for the purpose of “crime prevention” (in any form) is compatible with a constitutional republic by any objective measure.


13 posted on 05/25/2015 5:21:12 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ( "It doesn't work for me. I gotta have more cowbell!")
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sheriffs or constables ...
comparable to Local police are they not ?


14 posted on 05/25/2015 5:25:39 AM PDT by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: nickcarraway

Great article, it hits all the highlights of the problem.


15 posted on 05/25/2015 5:35:34 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: aumrl
The primary purpose of "law enforcement" is the protection of accused criminals, not the protection of the public.

The whole concept of "law enforcement" has changed radically over the years. Once you have a standing police force that is supposed to "protect people" (as opposed to simply arresting them for prosecution when they actually commit crimes), you have an entire industry in place that is now focused on treating ordinary citizens as potential criminals -- in the name of "protecting them" while taking money out of their pockets to pay for this service.

You can go back through the history of this country and see what exactly constituted "law enforcement" at any given time. For generations, the classic symbol of law enforcement in America was the rural county sheriff. His role was very different from what police officers do today. There was never any illusion that people needed a sheriff to protect them -- since an armed citizenry was perfectly capable of protecting itself. In fact, the original role of a law enforcement officer was to protect accused criminals from law-abiding citizens -- by taking those criminals into protective custody where they awaited trial through a legitimate U.S. legal process.

16 posted on 05/25/2015 5:46:03 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ( "It doesn't work for me. I gotta have more cowbell!")
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To: HKMk23
There’s a two word description for the entire problem: union labor.

I don't know about that. I was reading an article written by an emergency room nurse. She told of how many doctors routinely covered up serious mistakes made other doctors. These bad doctors operated while drunk, high, half-asleep, etc. The good doctors rarely reported the bad doctors.

Doctors are not unionized. I think the problem is elsewhere.

17 posted on 05/25/2015 6:52:49 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Alberta's Child

The idea of an “out of control police state” is somewhat of an oxymoron. The police are merely the tip of the spear of an out of control government. When politicians can argue both sides of any issue (Need for tough enforcement, revenue and condemn violent police overreaction.); you have a frightened populous and happy politicians.
When the government behaves as if they are merely tolerated by the “public” may be replaced on any given day; we have the right amount of government.


18 posted on 05/25/2015 7:38:32 AM PDT by Steamburg (Other people's money is the only language a politician respects)
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To: Steamburg

It’s not the politicians who are the problem ... it’s the people they govern. I suspect most people are perfectly content to live in this police state.


19 posted on 05/25/2015 7:54:40 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ( "It doesn't work for me. I gotta have more cowbell!")
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To: Alberta's Child

The Libs, Obama, Holder, Sharpton, Jackson are selling the “out of control police state” line. We, who are correctly cautious of government, must be cautious of picking up that mantra.

Are the riots, thug behavior, knockout game, burglary, robbery, looting, arson, high homicide rate symptomatic of the “police state”?

There are bad cops, lawyers, doctors, priests. To smear the totality of any group is emotional and weak thinking.


20 posted on 05/25/2015 8:09:30 AM PDT by Pirate Ragnar (Libs put feelings first and thought second.)
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