Posted on 06/21/2002 6:42:36 PM PDT by RCW2001
Sure was..it's called admitting it but denying it while it's true.
As for hating Jews, that would mean I would have to hate the entire staff of Antiwar.com and a good part of the Board of Directors.
It is absolutely disgusting that the FR "administrative monitors" permit trolls like you to drive the best elements of the old FR away -- while apologists for a foreign power like yourself are given free rein.
Good points. I agree that this is altogether suspicious, but there's just not enough here to explain what was going on, let alone prove it. There is obviously much, much more to this story than this article presents. The quotes from named sources, like Vince Cannistraro and Paul Kurzberg's lawyers (semi-named) are helpful, but there are a lot of red flags, like copious quotes from anonymous sources, that demand circumspection.
If these guys actually were Israeli spies tasked with "launching an intelligence operation against radical Islamists in the area, particularly in the New Jersey-New York area", Israel must be running out of talent, because real Israeli agents tend to be pretty good at staying out of the limelight, would not be stupid enough to attract attention to themselves on 9/11 (an extraordinary feat of stupidity unto itself) and would sure as hell have had a better cover story or means of evasion if discovered. Also, these guys don't seem to have handled their arrests and detainment very professionally.
Whenever espionage is involved, it is often difficult for journalists to nail anything down. Sometimes unidentified "sources" are absolutely truthful, sometimes they are flat out lying, and sometimes they are made up by unscrupulous writers looking for a scoop.
I agree that common sense (as uncommon as it is) is a valuable tool for analysis, and definitely should be applied here. Common sense precludes jumping to conclusions based on speculation and innuendo, both of which are abundant in this article.
Hopefully, this 20/20 piece will cause more details to shake out, and perhaps some corroboration -- ideally the videotape -- might follow as well.
Imal
So the lady in the upstairs apartment peered out with her binoculars looking for Jews to turn in to the cops. OK. That makes sense. Wonder if she sits up there everyday reporting Jews to the police or if this was a one time thing.
Thanks -- it's necessary that people stand up, or other people will let themselves be silenced. And much of the time, most of us are "other people," whether we want to admit it or not.
Remember that Justina is a legend in her own mind.
If I were ever in danger of forgetting that, he'd remind me.
Have you shared your opinion of the moderators with them? I can do that for you, if you prefer.
For my part, I hope throwing threats of "legal action" around and posting childish countdown posts on threads wasn't a part of the "old FR". If it was, good riddance!
Imal
That is what got my attention. Before that, I rarely replied on threads about Israel.
The fierce reaction to the story is as interesting as the story itself.
Hypocrite, moi? Show where I frothed at the mouth about homosexuality. You can't, because I didn't. All I did was point out that Oscar Wilde sued someone for telling the truth.
As for hating Jews, that would mean I would have to hate the entire staff of Antiwar.com and a good part of the Board of Directors.
So some of your best friends are Jews. That and $2.00 will get you on the NYC subway ($1.50 + .50 b.s. surcharge). I know lots of Jewish anti-Semites -- quite a few of them are relatives of mine! (I don't know if any of them are at antiwar.com.) Lew Rockwell loves to publish essays by Jewish anti-Semites arguing that any time a Jew calls anyone an anti-Semite, it's just a smear, and can be safely ignored.
It is absolutely disgusting that the FR "administrative monitors" permit trolls like you to drive the best elements of the old FR away -- while apologists for a foreign power like yourself are given free rein.
Troll? For whom? And there you go, with the classic "the Jews (the ones who aren't anti-Semites) suffer from dual loyalty" canard. If anyone suffers from disloyalty, it is the would-be America Firsters who have been sucking up to our Arab enemies.
As for your veiled call on the moderators to censor and boot me, didn't you used to try to pass yourself off as a libertarian?
So the lady in the upstairs apartment peered out with her binoculars looking for Jews to turn in to the cops. OK. That makes sense. Wonder if she sits up there everyday reporting Jews to the police or if this was a one time thing.
Larry, you don't know exactly what the lady saw, and neither do I. I don't doubt they were filming the WTC -- I would too, if I had a camcorder and was in the right place at the time. Many people did just that. But she insists they were celebrating the carnage; before accepting her story, I'd like to see the videotape. The poster I responded to claimed that the Jews doing the filming had to have had all kinds of information, as in being accomplices, in order to have been where they were, which is ludicrous.
As for the lady's habits, I suspect that she does a lot of things with those binoculars that she shouldn't be doing, and I'll bet the venetian blinds the local cops know who she is, and joke about her all the time. But on 911, she called the FBI.
Very good question. I believe the answer is yes.
Yes, yes, anyone who disagrees with you is an "anti-Semite." How convenient. And really quite tiresome. For that just ends the discussion, doesn't it? I mean, why even talk about issues like this if, by definition, one side is the Nazis and the other side is "mr rustow" and his Legions of Political Correctness? Why listen to anyone else, why bother with evidence, or links, or anything having to do with facts, when even the recognition of certain facts -- the laughing Urban Movers, the Israeli "art students" who visited government officials at their homes and tried to enter government offices, some of them unmarked, and how the latest scandal involving Mossad recruitment in the FBI's wiretap translation division -- is to take a stand?
That's why political correctness -- left or right -- makes for a BORING website. It makes real discussion impossible.
Here we go, put the witness on trial.
Sleazy Criminal Defense Lawyer Tactic #1.
"An employee of Urban Moving Systems, who would not give his name, said the majority of his co-workers are Israelis and were joking on the day of the attacks.
"‘I was in tears,’ the man said. ‘These guys were joking and that bothered me. These guys were like, 'Now America knows what we go through.’"
Naturally, a fanatic like yourself -- whose first loyalty is to a country other than the US -- finds this rationale perfectly convincing. You'll have to forgive the rest of us if we fail to follow you over that particular cliff....
This is a stone lie but who is really surprised by your lies by now? Israel commiserated plenty with the United States while Palestinians and other Arabs cheered 9-11 attack.
Of course none were Arab Israelis. So it was on to other misdirections: The sources were not credible. People who believed this were crazy. It was an "urban myth." Antisemitism was the motive of those who reported this.
Hhahhaha .... Froth sure is one overused word by you. Try expanding your vocab.
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