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Archaeologists Announce Discovery Of Underwater Man-Made Wall (Very Old)
China Post ^ | 11-26-2002

Posted on 11/26/2002 7:57:18 AM PST by blam

Archaeologists announce discovery of underwater man-made wall

2002/11/26
The China Post staff

Underwater archaeologists yesterday announced the discovery of a man-made wall submerged under the waters of the Pescadores Islands that could be at least six and seven thousand years old.

Steve Shieh, the head of the planning committee for the Taiwan Underwater Archaeology Institute, said the wall was discovered to the northwest of Tong-chi Island in the Pescadores towards the end of September.

The stone wall, with an average height of one meter and a width of 50 centimeters, covers a distance of over 100 meters, Hsieh said.

The wall ran along the ocean floor at depths of between 25 and 30 meters, he added.

Shieh said that divers found several places along the wall where holes were apparently filled up with pebbles, possibly in an attempt to block winds.(Maybe to keep out the rising water?)

The wall was located by a team of divers working in cooperation with the National Museum of History and the Department of Environmental Sciences at the National Sun Yat-sen University.

In August, researchers scanning waters in the area with sonar discovered what appeared to be the remnants of four to five man-made walls running along the bottom of the sea.

Please see WALL on page(I could not find a map, if you can, please post it.)

Despite difficult diving conditions, Shieh said that a team of more than ten specialists was able to ascertain the positions of at least three of the wall sections.

The proximity of the wall to a similar structure found in 1976 suggests that it may be further evidence of a pre-historical civilization.

A three meter high underwater wall was discovered by amateur divers in waters off the nearby Hu-ching (Tiger Well) Island.

British archaeologists examined the find and proclaimed that the wall was probably made between 7,000 and 12,000 years ago.

The current find stands a mere 100 meters from the site of that discovery.

Six years ago, evidence of a sunken city in the area was found when amateur divers found the remains of what appear to be city walls taking the shape of a cross on the ocean floor.

Further examination suggested the ruins were made between seven and ten thousand years ago as well, although Japanese researchers put the walls construction at between 10,000 and 80,000 years ago.

Taken together, the discoveries have helped to overturn the established notion that Taiwan's earliest aboriginal inhabitants made their way here from mainland China some 6,000 years ago.(There goes the giant hynea theory, huh?)

The underwater finds are part of a growing body of evidence suggesting the existence of civilizations older than anything previously imagined.(suprise, suprise, suprise--Gomer Pyle voice)

On this theory, entire cities ended up underwater after sea levels rose towards the end of the last Ice Age, a date cited by Plato as being some 9,600 years ago.

One of the most dramatic examples of evidence of civilizations found on ocean beds has been megalithic structures off the coast of Yonaguni-jima in Japan that have been interpreted in some circles as being built for sacrificial rites. According to Shieh, a similar structure has been located off of the shores of Taiwan's Pingtung County .

Shieh said that he and his association have plans to explore that location as well as what appears to be a man-made path on the ocean floor off of Taitung County sometime next year.


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KEYWORDS: archaeologists; archaeology; catastrophism; discovery; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; pescadoresislands; taiwan; underwater; wall
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
Alamo girl is pretty good. I'll read that when I have more time.
221 posted on 11/27/2002 8:15:46 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: #3Fan
Well at least I know what Art Bell will be talking about tonight!!
222 posted on 11/27/2002 8:24:01 PM PST by WKB
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
>I read with interest your earlier post entitled "Three Minute History of the Israelites".

Thank You.

> Could you direct me to source documents?

As far as I am concerned, the best single source of much more information at the consumer level is the book by Capt shown at my FR page. It concentrates on the 23,000 Assyrian tablets resident at the British Museum, and they tell the tale. Also found at Assyrian Tablets in the British Museum.

> Was this your own research?

The 3-MINUTE HISTORY is my own summary written from my own research, as is virtually everything I post here on the subject.

223 posted on 11/27/2002 8:32:00 PM PST by LostTribe
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To: #3Fan
>They're disrupters, screw 'em.

Works for me. {ggg}.

224 posted on 11/27/2002 8:32:50 PM PST by LostTribe
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To: #3Fan
Shades of Velikofsky(sp?)! Tropical plants in their mouths you say?
225 posted on 11/27/2002 9:56:32 PM PST by MHGinTN
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
Thank you so much for the heads up and linking to the "Freeper Views on Origins" thread! I hope anyone who wishes to post their views there will do so. Happy Thanksgiving!!!
226 posted on 11/27/2002 10:28:23 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: WKB
Well at least I know what Art Bell will be talking about tonight!!

Does he talk about this stuff much? I heard him one time a few years ago.

227 posted on 11/27/2002 10:28:47 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: MHGinTN
Shades of Velikofsky(sp?)! Tropical plants in their mouths you say?

Certainly not plants you find in Siberia anyway.

228 posted on 11/27/2002 10:29:55 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: VadeRetro
I wonder, what peoples on the Earth today would you nominate as the descendants of the lost tribes? There will have to be a bunch of them, so tiny pockets of people don't count.

229 posted on 11/28/2002 3:34:30 AM PST by William Terrell
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To: MHGinTN
from Worlds in Collision by Immanuel Velikovsky (a book that's hard to come by- I had to find it used)

p.24
"Northeast Siberia, which was not covered by ice in the last Ice Age, conceals another enigma. The climate there had apparantly changed drastically since the end of the Ice Age, and the yearly temperature has dropped many degrees below it's previous level. Animals once lived in this region that do not live there now, and plants grew there that are unable to grow there now. This change must have occurred quite suddenly. The cause of this Klimasturz has not been explained. In this catastrophic change of climate and under mysterious circumstances, all of the mammoths of Siberia perished."

"The mammoth belonged to the family of elephants. Its tusks were sometimes as much as ten feet long. Its teeth were highly developed and their "density" was greater than in any other stage in the evolution of the elephants: apparently they did not succumb in the struggle for survival as an unfit product of evolution. The extinction of the mammoth is thought to have coincided with the end of the last glacial period."

"Tusks of mammoths have been found in large numbers in northeast Siberia; this well-preserved ivory has been an object of export to China and Europe ever since the Russian conquest of Siberia and was exploited in even earlier times. In modern times the ivory market of the world still found its main source of supply in the tundras of northeast Siberia."

"In 1799 the frozen bodies of mammoths were found in these tundras. The corpses were well preserved, and the sledge dogs ate the flesh unharmed. "The flesh is fibrous and marbled with fat" and "looks as fresh as well frozen beef." " (footnoted- D.F. Hertz in B. Digby, The Mammoth, 1926 p.9)

"What was the cause of their death and the extinction of their race? Cuvier wrote of the extinction of the mammoths: "Repeated irruptions and retreats of the sea have neither all been slow nor gradual; on the contrary, most of the catastrophes which have occasioned them have been sudden...If they had not been frozen as soon as killed, they would have been decomposed by putrefaction..." "

"....Darwin admitted that he was unable to find an explanation for the extermination of the mammoth, an animal better developed than the elephant which survived.(footnote) But in conformity with the theory of evolution, his followers supposed that the gradual sinking of the land forced the mammoths to the hills, where they found themselves isolated by marshes. However, if geological processes are slow, the mammoths would not have been trapped on the isolated hills. Besides, this theory cannot be true because the animals did not die of starvation. In their stomachs and between their teeth undigested grass and leaves were found. This, too, proves that they died from a sudden cause. Further investigations showed that the leaves and twigs found in their stomachs do not grow in the regions where the animals died, but far to the south, a thousand or more miles away. It is apparent that the climate has changed radically since the death of the mammoths; and as bodies of the animals were found not decomposed but well preserved in blocks of ice, the change in temperature must have followed their death very closely or even caused it."

"There remains to be added that after storms in the Arctic, tusks of mammoths are washed up on the shores of the arctic islands; this proves that a part of the land where the mammoths lived and were drowned is covered by the Arctic Ocean.".....

[There is much more, but I tried to include enough for context]

230 posted on 11/28/2002 6:00:39 AM PST by the-ironically-named-proverbs2
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham; Little Bill; #3Fan
See #230
231 posted on 11/28/2002 6:15:58 AM PST by the-ironically-named-proverbs2
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To: #3Fan
Does he talk about this stuff much?

Art Bell talks about anything and everything from ghosts to space aliens. Last night it was about whether or not we really went to the moon.

232 posted on 11/28/2002 6:15:58 AM PST by WKB
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To: blam
read later bump
233 posted on 11/28/2002 6:24:46 AM PST by freedom9
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To: William Terrell
I wonder, what peoples on the Earth today would you nominate as the descendants of the lost tribes?

I don't know the parameters of the problem. I doubt very many people were relocated very far. It's not that practical. There's probably no reason to expect much residue from whatever did happen back then.

235 posted on 11/28/2002 7:10:07 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: the-ironically-named-proverbs2
Vine DeLoria's "Red Earth, White Lies" provides a fuller treatment of the dieouts of all the large North American animals as well as the Eurasian mammoths than Velikovsky did, and Red Earth is still findable. DeLoria is a former president of the National Council of American Indians, and the well-known author of a number of standard texts on Indian affairs such as "Custer died for Your Sins", and a Velikovskian-style catastrophist.
236 posted on 11/28/2002 8:09:54 AM PST by annflounder
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To: #3Fan; blam
Sorry I took so long getting to this.

I've thought of a trigger mechanism: If a degenerate star or large planet (Wormwood) with a strong electromagnetic field happened to pass close by, the electromagnetic flux acting on the field surrounding our iron-cored planet might be sufficient moment to initiate movement in that core with respect to the crust (having its own momentum and relatively less iron).
237 posted on 11/28/2002 8:41:47 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
"I've thought of a trigger mechanism: If a degenerate star or large planet (Wormwood) with a strong electromagnetic field happened to pass close by, the electromagnetic flux acting on the field surrounding our iron-cored planet might be sufficient moment to initiate movement in that core with respect to the crust (having its own momentum and relatively less iron)."

Your 'flyby' proposal would produce sudden crustal movement that would (probably) devestate every thing on earth. (wouldn't it?)

I'm thinking something slower?

238 posted on 11/28/2002 8:57:06 AM PST by blam
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To: AllSmiles
Thanks, nice link.

I'm wondering? Wouldn't the temperatures required to make ceramic pottery also be sufficent to produce steel? (...and did I read correctly that some of the ceramic is/was 7,000 years old?)

239 posted on 11/28/2002 9:00:28 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
I don't think it would be that sudden. Planets don't move that fast with respect to their orbital paths or the relative distances involved. Remember: these forces are proportional to an inverse square of the distances between their centers and are continuous. The effects would thus be felt long before anything acted, peak smoothly, and recede symmetrically.

It fits.
240 posted on 11/28/2002 9:13:10 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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