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Global Warming: Medieval Era Hotter than Today
The London Telegraph ^ | 06/04/2003) | Robert Matthews

Posted on 04/06/2003 11:04:51 AM PDT by Francohio

Middle Ages were warmer than today, say scientists

By Robert Matthews, Science Correspondent (Filed: 06/04/2003)

Claims that man-made pollution is causing "unprecedented" global warming have been seriously undermined by new research which shows that the Earth was warmer during the Middle Ages.

From the outset of the global warming debate in the late 1980s, environmentalists have said that temperatures are rising higher and faster than ever before, leading some scientists to conclude that greenhouse gases from cars and power stations are causing these "record-breaking" global temperatures.

Last year, scientists working for the UK Climate Impacts Programme said that global temperatures were "the hottest since records began" and added: "We are pretty sure that climate change due to human activity is here and it's accelerating."

This announcement followed research published in 1998, when scientists at the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia declared that the 1990s had been hotter than any other period for 1,000 years.

Such claims have now been sharply contradicted by the most comprehensive study yet of global temperature over the past 1,000 years. A review of more than 240 scientific studies has shown that today's temperatures are neither the warmest over the past millennium, nor are they producing the most extreme weather - in stark contrast to the claims of the environmentalists.

The review, carried out by a team from Harvard University, examined the findings of studies of so-called "temperature proxies" such as tree rings, ice cores and historical accounts which allow scientists to estimate temperatures prevailing at sites around the world.

The findings prove that the world experienced a Medieval Warm Period between the ninth and 14th centuries with global temperatures significantly higher even than today.

They also confirm claims that a Little Ice Age set in around 1300, during which the world cooled dramatically. Since 1900, the world has begun to warm up again - but has still to reach the balmy temperatures of the Middle Ages.

The timing of the end of the Little Ice Age is especially significant, as it implies that the records used by climate scientists date from a time when the Earth was relatively cold, thereby exaggerating the significance of today's temperature rise.

According to the researchers, the evidence confirms suspicions that today's "unprecedented" temperatures are simply the result of examining temperature change over too short a period of time.

The study, about to be published in the journal Energy and Environment, has been welcomed by sceptics of global warming, who say it puts the claims of environmentalists in proper context. Until now, suggestions that the Middle Ages were as warm as the 21st century had been largely anecdotal and were often challenged by believers in man-made global warming.

Dr Philip Stott, the professor emeritus of bio-geography at the University of London, told The Telegraph: "What has been forgotten in all the discussion about global warming is a proper sense of history."

According to Prof Stott, the evidence also undermines doom-laden predictions about the effect of higher global temperatures. "During the Medieval Warm Period, the world was warmer even than today, and history shows that it was a wonderful period of plenty for everyone."

In contrast, said Prof Stott, severe famines and economic collapse followed the onset of the Little Ice Age around 1300. He said: "When the temperature started to drop, harvests failed and England's vine industry died. It makes one wonder why there is so much fear of warmth."

The United Nation's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the official voice of global warming research, has conceded the possibility that today's "record-breaking" temperatures may be at least partly caused by the Earth recovering from a relatively cold period in recent history. While the evidence for entirely natural changes in the Earth's temperature continues to grow, its causes still remain mysterious.

Dr Simon Brown, the climate extremes research manager at the Meteorological Office at Bracknell, said that the present consensus among scientists on the IPCC was that the Medieval Warm Period could not be used to judge the significance of existing warming.

Dr Brown said: "The conclusion that 20th century warming is not unusual relies on the assertion that the Medieval Warm Period was a global phenomenon. This is not the conclusion of IPCC."

He added that there were also doubts about the reliability of temperature proxies such as tree rings: "They are not able to capture the recent warming of the last 50 years," he said.

Other Telegraph Climate Stories:4 April 2003: English strawberries on shelves in record time 20 February 2003: Britain faces drier summers and flooding 4 February 2003: Climate change plagues hay fever sufferers 30 November 2002: Growth in flights will wreck climate, says commission


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To: Francohio
Areas throughout the northeaast are expected to get 6-8 inches of snow today.
41 posted on 04/07/2003 7:40:40 AM PDT by jpl
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To: Francohio
IT looks like Al Gore was right. Bovine feces must be regulated. Look what the deregulation of bovine feces did to the Middle Ages.
42 posted on 04/07/2003 7:48:31 AM PDT by NYCRebublican
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To: marron
.....Thats what I love about this website.....

As a pretty fair student of world history, I must confess my failing and debt to FR for enlightening me on the previously unknown notion that there was even the possibility of war between Vikings and Eskimos.

We live, We learn....

43 posted on 04/07/2003 7:56:19 AM PDT by bert (Don't Panic !)
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To: marron
Am I mistaken in recalling that the Vikings settled Greenland when it was relatively "green", and disappeared after the "little ice age" set in, due apparently to isolation, disease, and possibly eskimo attack?

I believe that during the "Medieaval Optimum" (period of warming) Greenland was warm enough to raise cattle there; after 1300 or so, the place was not an economically viable place to live.

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44 posted on 04/07/2003 9:57:46 AM PDT by eddiespaghetti (Cok yemek, bujuk gobek)
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To: bert
I don't honestly know if there was ever any war between the vikings and the eskimos. No one was there to record the final days of the Vikings on Greenland. Some people have theorized that there could have been some kind of conflict between them toward the end, but I'm not sure what kind of evidence exists to support that. Its just a theory.

Really, it seems to have been malnutrition which led to disease which brought about the end of the Vikings there. The malnutrition presumably was caused by bad harvests, which presumably was caused by the worsening climate (the "little ice age").

The whole subject of eskimo attacks is tangential, and I'm not sure how we got off on that. The eskimos seem not to have been there when the Scandinavians arrived, although they seem to have had some contact with them later. I think everything else is just conjecture.

The point is, the climate was warmer when Greenland was settled, and they were able to live by traditional agriculture. Then the climate got worse over time, traditional agriculture no longer could support them, and the settlements there died out.

Thus, it seems, global temperatures vary over a period of several centuries. If global warming progressed to a point such that traditional agriculture could again be undertaken in Greenland, it would not necessarily portend the end of life on earth as we know it.


http://www.discover.com/mar_00/featvanished.html
Vanished Vikings
45 posted on 04/07/2003 10:14:43 AM PDT by marron
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To: Francohio
Last year, scientists working for the UK Climate Impacts Programme said that global temperatures were "the hottest since records began" and added: "We are pretty sure that climate change due to human activity is here and it's accelerating."

It has been well known for the longest time that Greenland was a whole lot warmer during the Middle ages.  The reason it was basically abandoned was due to the onslaught of the little ice age.
46 posted on 04/07/2003 10:18:47 AM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: Cyrano
ping #5 for direct link to article.
47 posted on 04/07/2003 11:09:50 AM PDT by Terriergal (..in Your great compassion You gave them deliverers, who rescued them from the hand of their enemies)
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To: TheJollyRoger
Sorry, I got carried away. Won't happen again. I suppose this means I can't wear my AL Gore T-shirt to antiwar rallies?
48 posted on 04/07/2003 11:13:28 AM PDT by Francohio
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To: PeaceBeWithYou
Your right, but it was Thatcher that got it to take off into the mainstream!
50 posted on 04/07/2003 6:26:00 PM PDT by Bommer (Tom Dasshole is a Domestic Enemy!!!)
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To: lelio
A professor of mine stated that there is more evidence for a coming Ice Age than for global warming. I've heard the same elsewhere, and also that we may have avoided one at the end of the Middle Ages only by creating waste heat in the Industrial Revolution. So if the greenies get their way, the Ice Age might come after all.
51 posted on 04/07/2003 6:28:39 PM PDT by Kenno
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To: jocon307
I mean, tree-rings and all are very nice, but how many 500 year old trees are there, in Europe, especially. And you have to cut the tree down to study its rings, no? I mean, really, when was the thermometer invented, anyway? When did we start keeping regular records of weather, accurate or not? Were there monks who kepts logs, even without measuring devices, "it's hot today, it's cold today, it snowed today, etc."? My understanding is that weather "records" go back about 125 years at this point. I'm happy to be enlightened by any knowledgable freepers out there.

You don't have to cut down a tree to examine the rings; it can be cored.

Weather-station (thermometer) records commence about 1850, but wide-scale stations don't show up until the late 1800s.

Though monks didn't log temperatures, there is an interesting record in Europe that logged winter freeze dates. An icon of the Virgin Mary was carried across the lake at the earliest possible time, and retrieved the next time it was possible the next year. This record, and others similar to it, show that winter freeze arrives about 10 days later (on average) than it did 150 years ago.

52 posted on 04/08/2003 9:36:10 AM PDT by cogitator
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee
"This is not new research!!! "
Sure it is. A review of existing studies is research. If they just did the review, it's new. Besides, they make a valuable point.
53 posted on 04/08/2003 9:53:51 AM PDT by bobsatwork
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To: bobsatwork
A review of existing studies is research. If they just did the review, it's new. Besides, they make a valuable point.

Well, yea, but the article makes it sound like it is some kind of new concept, not an analysis of a wealth of existing data/arguments.

54 posted on 04/08/2003 10:50:09 AM PDT by KayEyeDoubleDee (const vector<tags>& theTags)
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To: Kenno
A professor of mine stated that there is more evidence for a coming Ice Age than for global warming.

according to historical cycles, we are due for another small ice age.

55 posted on 04/08/2003 10:51:46 AM PDT by KayEyeDoubleDee (const vector<tags>& theTags)
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To: KarlInOhio
Bristlecone pines (some have even been cut down to study the rings) are about 3000 years old. Other growth rings can be obtained from creosote bushes in Utah among others. These form rings growing out from a center section which dies. The rings can be matched up for about 12000 years. Ice cores from Greenland can be matched to the tree rings.

The idea of overlapping isn't hard. For example rings like !|||||!!|| and |!!||!!|!|! can be overlapped by comparing the shifted overlaps. (|!!|| occurs in both.) One can find the maximum likelihood overlap.
56 posted on 04/08/2003 11:07:16 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: marron
Thanks for the report. I was thinking that I should have considered the fact that there could have been conflict and it just never entered my mind. The thought is there if it ever comes up again.

Blam has got me interested in the forces of catastrophe and climate.
57 posted on 04/08/2003 11:35:37 AM PDT by bert (Don't Panic !)
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59 posted on 04/18/2006 9:00:19 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: PA_hayseed
That theory is still valid, and has had more support just recently.

Here's a graphic explaining how the Solar system is travelling through interstellar dust clouds presently:

We're actually moving out of a cloud of diffuse gas called 'The Local Bubble' that we've been hurtling through for several thousand years.

Google for 'The Local Bubble' to find out more.

60 posted on 04/18/2006 9:05:39 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi!)
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