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Mass-extinction controversy flares again (Chicxulub crater kills dinosaurs, or not?)
Nature ^ | 10 April 2003 | Rex Dalton

Posted on 04/11/2003 2:34:46 PM PDT by SteveH

EGS-AGU-EUG Joint Assembly, Nice, April 2003

Mass-extinction controversy flares again

Core from asteroid crater fuels debate on what wiped out the dinosaurs.

10 April 2003

REX DALTON

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The dinosaurs were wiped out 65 million years ago. © alamy.com

A claim that the asteroid that struck Mexico 65 million years ago did not cause the mass extinction that wiped out dinosaurs triggered heated debate at a meeting this week.

The announcement is based on preliminary analysis of the first core drilled into the 185-kilometre Chicxulub asteroid crater near the Yucatan Peninsula. Gerta Keller of Princeton University in New Jersey says that she has found microfossils there hinting that abundant plankton survived for at least 300,000 years after the impact.

Many believe that the impact shrouded the Earth in dust and debris, shutting down plant photosynthesis and leading to the rapid demise of most creatures, from marine microorganisms to dinosaurs.

But Keller reckons that the signs of life in the crater core are "the smoking gun" that the asteroid didn't cause the widespread die-out, properly called the Cretaceous-Tertiary (K-T) boundary. What's more, a lack of evidence of compaction in the core hints that the impact crater was much smaller than was thought, says Keller's colleague Wolfgang Stinnesbeck at the University of Karlsruhe, Germany.

So the group subscribes instead to the idea that a series of asteroid impacts brought about the K-T boundary.

Jan Smit, a geologist at Vrije University in Amsterdam who is also studying the crater's sediments, disagrees. He counters that what Keller's team labels 'fossils' are simply spheres of crystal. Plus he cites seismology studies that support a major asteroid having created the Chicxulub crater.

These divergent views were aired at a joint conference of the European Geophysical Society, the American Geophysical Union and the European Union of Geosciences in Nice, France. Listeners were shocked and stunned that two groups could disagree so much.

But the story of the K-T boundary has been long been controversial. It was first suggested about 25 years ago that a life-obliterating asteroid plunged into the Earth to trigger the extinction.

Now dozens of scientists around the world are analysing the results of the first drill of the crater, completed in February 2002, to glean new data on the events of 65 million years ago. Other drills are planned, including one closer to the centre of the impact point, to provide further fuel for debate.

Rex Dalton is the West Coast Correspondent of the journal Nature

© Nature News Service / Macmillan Magazines Ltd 2003


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: archaeology; asteroid; catastrophism; craters; crevolist; deccantraps; dinosaurs; geophysics; gertakeller; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; ktboundary; massextinction; microfossils; paleontology; yucutan

1 posted on 04/11/2003 2:34:46 PM PDT by SteveH
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To: SteveH
OK....

But the question is; How is this information going to piss-off the Creationists?
2 posted on 04/11/2003 2:42:07 PM PDT by The Lake City Gar
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3 posted on 04/11/2003 2:44:04 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: SteveH

upper portion is the impact area,...........also a picture of chunk from meteorite

hope we don`t get something that size in our lifetime!

4 posted on 04/11/2003 2:45:22 PM PDT by green team 1999
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To: SteveH
Female and minority dinosaurs suffered the brunt of that disaster.

And the babies.
5 posted on 04/11/2003 2:49:48 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Help me decide: Is the Left morally corrupt and intellectually bankrupt, or vice versa?)
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To: SteveH
I've read that there is good fossil evidence that the dinosaurs were already headed out the door when the rock hit. Lack of deversity/over specialization and other enviromental factor were slowly moving them out. The impact event just hastened the end.
6 posted on 04/11/2003 2:52:04 PM PDT by cavtrooper21 ("..he's not heavy, sir. He's my brother...")
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7 posted on 04/11/2003 2:53:20 PM PDT by Junior (Computers make very fast, very accurate mistakes.)
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9 posted on 04/11/2003 2:58:59 PM PDT by MonroeDNA (Communists & Socialists: They only survive through lies.)
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10 posted on 04/11/2003 3:01:11 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Another Marine Reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell)
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To: Junior
Esoteric science ... the long march to oblivion --- esotinction !
11 posted on 04/11/2003 3:01:36 PM PDT by f.Christian (( who you gonna call ... 1 800 orc // evo bstr ))
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To: The Lake City Gar
They'll find a way.
12 posted on 04/11/2003 3:05:42 PM PDT by balrog666 (When in doubt, tell the truth. - Mark Twain)
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To: headsonpikes
You may or may not be correct, but the real cause of the demise of the female dinasours was caused by not being allowed to join the Augusta National Golf Club. My proof of this is that the last surviving member of that group, whose name just happens to be Martha Burke is still bitching about it.
13 posted on 04/11/2003 3:09:17 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (Served in Korea, Vietnam and still fighting America's enemies on Home Front)
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To: balrog666
Don't you know? Any disagreement between any scientists on any matter is proof that evolution is a crumbling edifice that masks disarray behind the scenes.

De evolutionists are stuck in a quagmire. Dey are holed up in de VIP lounge in de airport. Dun believe dem!

14 posted on 04/11/2003 3:28:20 PM PDT by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: Junior
This controversial, discordant, and unpopular opinion about the Chicxulub asteroid crater is known as the Dixie Chicxulub theory.
15 posted on 04/11/2003 4:32:11 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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17 posted on 04/11/2003 4:54:17 PM PDT by MonroeDNA (Communists & Socialists: They only survive through lies.)
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18 posted on 04/11/2003 6:21:18 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: SteveH
YEC skeptical bump for later
19 posted on 04/11/2003 8:44:11 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: headsonpikes
Extinction would never have happened if the dinosaurs came togehter to form a global village and invested time in the children.
20 posted on 04/11/2003 9:21:54 PM PDT by Kuksool
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To: SteveH
The question these pseudo-scientists do not and cannot answer is how come only dinosaurs became extinct. That is the real question that no meteor theory can answer.

And frankly this has nothing to do with creation or evolution. It is only the evolutionists who try to use any forum to insult opponents that try to make it into such an issue.

21 posted on 04/11/2003 10:53:00 PM PDT by gore3000
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To: SteveH
Too bad that asteroid didn't take out this stupid annoying dinosaur:


22 posted on 04/11/2003 10:59:50 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: gore3000
The question these pseudo-scientists do not and cannot answer is how come only dinosaurs became extinct.

More proof you have absolutely no idea of that which you speak. More than 75 percent of all extant species (not just the dinosaurs) became extinct at the K-T boundary.

23 posted on 04/12/2003 8:03:16 AM PDT by Junior (Computers make very fast, very accurate mistakes.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Too bad that asteroid didn't take out this stupid annoying dinosaur:

I suspect it was hiding in a deep underground bunker. But maybe someone can get a suggestion to Rummy...? :-)

24 posted on 04/12/2003 10:41:25 AM PDT by SteveH
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To: Junior
More than 75 percent of all extant species (not just the dinosaurs) became extinct at the K-T boundary.

So how many species were there before the K-T boundary? How many after? To the nearest hundred will be sufficient. Who counted them?

Your statement is just part of the evo garbage dished out constantly without any evidence. The fact is that of the major classifications of living animals, the only one that became extinct at the 65 million year or so point, is dinosaurs. Reptiles, amniotes, fish, mammals, birds, etc. all survived just fine into our time.

25 posted on 04/13/2003 8:29:49 AM PDT by gore3000
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To: gore3000
Okay, we're going to delve into an area with which you have very little apparent knowledge -- mathematics. Statistically, only 25 percent of the species found immediately before the K-T boundary appear immediately after. One need not know the total number of species before and after, any more than one needs to interview every person in the United States to determine popular views on certain matters.

Of course, you've shown only the shallowest grasp of math in the past, Mr. 1720, so I doubt you'll actually understand the above paragraph. Of course, you've also shown a shallow grasp of science and religion, so at least you're consistent.

26 posted on 04/13/2003 8:38:33 AM PDT by Junior (Computers make very fast, very accurate mistakes.)
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To: Junior
Okay, we're going to delve into an area with which you have very little apparent knowledge -- mathematics. Statistically, only 25 percent of the

You are insulting instead of answering the question posed to you - as usual. The question was how many were there 65 million years ago and how many after. You can not answer the question and neither can those who make that claim. What that means is that the claim is absolute garbage.

In addition, to back up my statement I pointed out the numerous classifications of animals which have survived through the 65 million year 'barrier' that the evolutionists claim existed WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE. Of course they say this happened because they cannot give any trace of mammalian evolution, in other words 'the dog ate the homework' excuse usually given by evolutionists.

Fact remains therefore that my statement is correct. The only major classification of animals that went totally extinct at that time is dinosaurs and any explanation the pseudo-scientists of evolution want to make up has to deal with that fact.

27 posted on 04/14/2003 6:08:15 PM PDT by gore3000
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To: gore3000
You moron. You know damned well it doesn't matter how many species existed before and after the K-T boundary. The only thing that matters is the percentage of species found before the boundary that are found after. This is something known as statistics. You can weasel and squirm all you want, but the people on these lists know you're pissing up a rope on this subject -- just as you do on just about everything you expound upon.
28 posted on 04/14/2003 6:24:49 PM PDT by Junior (Computers make very fast, very accurate mistakes.)
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29 posted on 05/19/2005 8:53:05 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (FR profiled updated Tuesday, May 10, 2005. Fewer graphics, faster loading.)
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30 posted on 08/20/2006 2:52:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Thursday, August 10, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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