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Nefertiti mummy 'found in Egypt'
BBC News ^ | 10 June 2003 | BBC staff

Posted on 06/10/2003 10:42:05 AM PDT by Constitution Day

Nefertiti mummy 'found in Egypt'

Scientists in Egypt say they may have discovered the mummy of Queen Nefertiti, one of the most famous figures of ancient Egypt.

A group of scientists believe that she is one of three mummies discovered in a secret chamber of a tomb known as KV35 in Egypt's Valley of the Kings in Luxor.

The tomb was originally located and catalogued in 1898, but the mummies were sealed up and apparently forgotten, until scientists drilled through to the room.

"There is a very, very strong possibility that... this in fact is the great female Pharaoh Nefertiti herself," said British mummification expert Dr Joann Fletcher, who led the expedition, which was sponsored by the Discovery Channel.

The whereabouts of the remains of Nefertiti, perhaps the most powerful woman in ancient Egypt, have for many years been one of archaeology's most enduring mysteries.

However, critics say that without DNA evidence to verify the claims, it is unlikely to be the remains of the queen.

'Heretic' couple

Queen Nefertiti, along with her husband the pharaoh Akhenaten, ruled from 1353-1336 BC during the so-called 18th dynasty of ancient Egyptian rulers.

However, virtually all traces of the queen and her "heretic" husband were erased, after his unsuccessful attempt to overthrow the pantheon of Egyptian gods and replace worship of them with the sun god Aton, in one of the earliest known practices of monotheism.

Dr Fletcher said she became interested in the mummy after identifying a wig, which had been found by three mummies catalogued by scientists, as being a Nubian-style wig favoured by royal women in the 18th dynasty.

Further examination of the mummy in the side room revealed the remains of the younger woman had a doubled-pierced ear lobe, shaved head, and the clear impression of the tight-fitting brow-band worn by royalty.

Wishful thinking?

The mummy - which had been defaced and mutilated - also had an arm removed, which was found in its wrappings bent at the elbow, a possible sign that it had originally held a royal sceptre, Dr Fletcher said.

The other two mummies, a teenage boy and an older woman, have not yet been identified.

However, other scientists have expressed doubts that the remains could be that of the famous queen.

"Physical evidence known and published prior to this expedition indicates the unlikelihood of it being the mummy of Nefertiti," Egyptologist Susan James said.

"Without any comparative DNA studies, statements of certainty are merely wishful thinking."



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: 18thdynasty; akhenaten; amarna; ancienthairdos; ancienthistory; archaeology; economic; egypt; found; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; joannfletcher; mummy; nefertiti; tomb
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Nefertiti: One of the ancient world's most beautiful women

1 posted on 06/10/2003 10:42:05 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Nefertiti
Hey, they found your namesake! [maybe]
2 posted on 06/10/2003 10:42:47 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: blam; vannrox
Archaeology ping.
3 posted on 06/10/2003 10:43:11 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Constitution Day
Imhotep will not be happy about this...
4 posted on 06/10/2003 10:43:39 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: Frank_Discussion
They never found his mummy either, did they? ;)
5 posted on 06/10/2003 10:44:35 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Constitution Day
"You know, if I were a single man, I might ask that mummy out. That's a good-looking mummy."

Klintoon, natch.

Michael M. Bates: My Side of the Swamp

6 posted on 06/10/2003 10:44:59 AM PDT by mikeb704
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To: Frank_Discussion
Oh, but slick sure will be.
7 posted on 06/10/2003 10:45:47 AM PDT by hope (Where the Spirit of the Lord is there IS liberty)
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Related video link for those who have RealPlayer:

Mummy returns: Egyptologists celebrate possible Nefertiti find

8 posted on 06/10/2003 10:46:18 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: hope
I'm sure he would find her quite,

"disarming".
9 posted on 06/10/2003 10:47:00 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: Constitution Day
Hmmm...
10 posted on 06/10/2003 10:47:29 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: mikeb704
LOL, I remember that.

He would be a model candidate for chemical castration.

11 posted on 06/10/2003 10:47:54 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Constitution Day

Couldn't help but notice the similarity....

12 posted on 06/10/2003 10:48:43 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: All
waayy cool, man.
14 posted on 06/10/2003 10:50:14 AM PDT by 666beast
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To: Constitution Day
He would be a model candidate for chemical castration.

For Clinton? Nah he should be castrated with a pair of rusty pliars.

15 posted on 06/10/2003 10:50:17 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (Ohio chapter president: White Devils for Sharpton)
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To: Weaselle
I just proves that the Queen's english is no longer her own.
16 posted on 06/10/2003 10:50:56 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: Constitution Day

Nefertiti: One of the ancient world's most beautiful women
17 posted on 06/10/2003 10:51:22 AM PDT by adam_az
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To: Constitution Day
They never found his mummy either, did they?

Or His Daddy, seems as if the parents abandoned this child at an early age...

Oh, sorry wrong thread...

18 posted on 06/10/2003 10:51:46 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (Private 1st Class - 101st Viking Kitty.....Valhalla.....All the Way!)
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To: Constitution Day
I say we let this guy check it out and decide..


19 posted on 06/10/2003 10:53:02 AM PDT by Paradox
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To: dubyaismypresident
Man, that is harsh! But I'm inclined to agree.
20 posted on 06/10/2003 10:55:27 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Constitution Day
"Hey, she's a mighty fine looking woman, I wouldn't mind going out with her..." (/clinton)
21 posted on 06/10/2003 10:56:48 AM PDT by Rich_E
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To: adam_az
Nefertiti: One of the ancient world's most beautiful women

Mr. Potatohead would dig her.

22 posted on 06/10/2003 10:58:31 AM PDT by Migraine (my grain is pretty straight today)
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To: Constitution Day
However, critics say that without DNA evidence to verify the claims, it is unlikely to be the remains of the queen.

Wrong. It either is Nefrititi or it is not, regardless of the DNA evidence. Evidence does not supplant reality for truth. It should have said something along the lines of "without corroberating DNA evidence, we will never know for sure..."

Its my pet peeve of the day, no wonder people have such trouble learning to think.

23 posted on 06/10/2003 10:59:38 AM PDT by lafroste
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To: r9etb
Don't most women have heads that don't slope? I thought that was a male characteristic?

aaaaaaah, well...may be mistaken...
24 posted on 06/10/2003 11:01:22 AM PDT by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: adam_az
Bill would "do her."

YUCK!
25 posted on 06/10/2003 11:02:44 AM PDT by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: lafroste; Weaselle
That sentence jumped out at me too.

People say I'm picky about things like that. I just think they're lazy thinkers.

26 posted on 06/10/2003 11:07:54 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: lafroste
what dna would they test against?
27 posted on 06/10/2003 11:14:27 AM PDT by bedolido
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To: Frank_Discussion
you watch the history channel too... interesting program on Imhotep. Chief archaetech (however you spell it)if I remember right.
28 posted on 06/10/2003 11:16:35 AM PDT by bedolido
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To: bedolido
LOL... No, I watch movies! The Mummy, The Mummy Returns, y'know...

(Now that I've stopped laughing, I WOULD have watched the History Channel thingie, if only I was not such a cheapskate. No cable or satellite system, you see.)
29 posted on 06/10/2003 11:19:40 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: bannie
"Boy, Neffie, yo shore gotta purdy mouth!"
30 posted on 06/10/2003 11:20:39 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: Constitution Day
"However, critics say that without DNA evidence to verify the claims, it is unlikely to be the remains of the queen."

DNA evidence? Stupid.

31 posted on 06/10/2003 11:20:44 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: lafroste
Its my pet peeve of the day

Be careful of catching peevepox.

32 posted on 06/10/2003 11:25:25 AM PDT by RightWhale (gazing at shadows)
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To: bedolido
what dna would they test against?

There are other royal mummies that have been identified by cartouches from around that time. The DNA problem begins when you read the history. The Egyptian pharoahs practiced inter-family breeding on a grand scale. Contructing an historical family tree for any Egyptian dynasty is worth a migraine headache. How they can tell the right mummy from the wrong mummy for DNA testing will be fascinating.

33 posted on 06/10/2003 11:28:49 AM PDT by xJones
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To: bedolido
what dna would they test against?

IIRC Discovery channel had a mention in a show about a study that was gathering DNA from mummies to explore relationships in ancient egyptian royalty.
34 posted on 06/10/2003 11:29:38 AM PDT by cryptical
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To: Constitution Day
"However, virtually all traces of the queen and her 'heretic' husband were erased, after his unsuccessful attempt to overthrow the pantheon of Egyptian gods and replace worship of them with the sun god Aton, in one of the earliest known practices of monotheism"

Egypt then went on to worship a minor moon god from another country in the 7th century AD....

Akhenaten and to a lesser extent Nefertiti might have been wackjobs, but the irony of it just hit me...

35 posted on 06/10/2003 11:31:08 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: xJones
"The Egyptian pharoahs practiced inter-family breeding on a grand scale"

There was also a theory that young Pharaos-to-be may not have been the products of the married brothers and sisters' unions...it's still gonna be tough.

36 posted on 06/10/2003 11:34:09 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: cryptical
o O (note to self... read article at slower pace)
37 posted on 06/10/2003 11:35:26 AM PDT by bedolido
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To: Constitution Day
Thanks for posting this. It's always a pleasure to look at her sculpted head. One of the benefits of an earlier American public school education is that we were taught the history of Egypt as part of a course on Western Civ.
38 posted on 06/10/2003 11:35:48 AM PDT by The Westerner
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To: Constitution Day
Truly lovely sculpture. Looks like Audrey Hepburn in profile.
39 posted on 06/10/2003 12:00:21 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Constitution Day

Very Interesting....ty for the ping ;)

Nefertiti@-->---

40 posted on 06/10/2003 12:00:42 PM PDT by Nefertiti ("History has the relation to truth that theology has to religion-- i.e., none to speak of."---L.Long)
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To: Constitution Day
I seriously doubt this. Is this an attempt to get a "headline" or what? The "evidence" presented is dreadfully weak. Almost every trace of these heretics were systematically destroyed in Egyptian society right after their deaths. It is exteremely doubtful they would even have bothered to mummify a heretic who tried to destroy their religion much less bury her in tomb.
41 posted on 06/10/2003 12:17:25 PM PDT by Burkeman1
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To: Constitution Day
"Without any comparative DNA studies, statements of certainty are merely wishful thinking."

Possibly they could check Klintoon for a sample of the Queen's DNA.

42 posted on 06/10/2003 12:22:27 PM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Shriner's Childrens Hospitals Provide Free Medical Care to Those In Need.)
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To: cake_crumb
IIRC, one of the Cleopatras married her brother, but they weren't really Egyptians, they were Ptolomys (sp?) and thus Greek.
43 posted on 06/10/2003 12:41:17 PM PDT by metesky (Argumentum ad ignorantiam)
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To: cake_crumb; xJones; cryptical; All
"The Egyptian pharaohs practiced inter-family breeding on a grand scale"

There was also a theory that young Pharaohs-to-be may not have been the products of the married brothers and sisters' unions...it's still gonna be tough.

Very true.. Nefertiti is said to be a foreign queen... their marriage part of a treaty and that before the marriage her name was changed to Nefertiti.. they were under the impression that if she had an Egyptian name it would be easier for the locals to accept her... that is of course until her and Akenaton changed the nations entire religious practices.

Nefertit@-->---

44 posted on 06/10/2003 12:52:11 PM PDT by Nefertiti ("History has the relation to truth that theology has to religion-- i.e., none to speak of."---L.Long)
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To: All
Short history about Nefertit from the Britannica:

posted on 04/30/2003 by Chipata

Nefertiti@-->---

45 posted on 06/10/2003 1:02:01 PM PDT by Nefertiti ("History has the relation to truth that theology has to religion-- i.e., none to speak of."---L.Long)
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To: Nefertiti
LOL..I'm just going post these last two pictures and then I will go play someplace else ;)

Akhenaten was a lover not a fighter, so you won't find the typical war and hunting scenes glorified in his Amarna pagentry. Amarna chariotry glorified the regular ceremonial parade on the Royal Road between the king's temples and palaces. The Queen Nefertiti is depicted smaller and follows the Pharaoh. Like him, she drives her chariot, drawn by a team of chestnut horses, whip in hand, absent the usual driver. Behind the Queen a retinue of princes in chariots and footmen follow, suitably much smaller than the Queen and Pharaoh proportionate to their status.

Nefertiti, Akhenaton, and three of their daughters, exhibiting the Amarna style of family values, throw golden collars, rings, vessels and other ornaments to the priest Aye and his wife. From the tomb of Ay

Ok.. I'm done

Nefertiti@-->---

46 posted on 06/10/2003 1:41:37 PM PDT by Nefertiti (You may be only one person in the world, but you may also be the world to one person.)
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To: r9etb
What a horrible thing to say about the dead! LOL! Actually her skeletal remains are probably much better looking than the Witch of NY. Take care and God bless!
47 posted on 06/10/2003 2:05:59 PM PDT by Enough_Deceit (Take care and God Bless!)
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To: Constitution Day
"Archaeology ping."

Thanks.

Found: Queen Nefertiti's Mummy

48 posted on 06/10/2003 2:23:23 PM PDT by blam
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To: adam_az
You know, I could never understand why Archaeologists think they have the right to "find" mummy's and the like. These people are dead and who are they to "find" or "discover" these people and then plaster photos or take the remains around the country like they did with Tutunkamen (spelled wrong I am sure). It seems wrong to me somehow.
49 posted on 06/10/2003 3:36:16 PM PDT by cubreporter
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To: r9etb
Oh god, that's scary!
50 posted on 06/10/2003 3:43:53 PM PDT by mrb1960
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