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BBC: St. Thomas Becket "Worst Briton of 12th Century" (!!)
BBC ^ | 12/27/2005 | n/a

Posted on 12/28/2005 7:27:15 PM PST by Pyro7480

'Worst' historical Britons named
Historians have put together a list of the 10 "worst" Britons of the last 1,000 years. They chose one rogue from each century of the last millennium to compile the list for the BBC History Magazine.

Jack the Ripper, King John and Oswald Mosley - founder of the British Union of Fascists - are among the selection.

Magazine editor Dave Musgrove said the different "definitions of wickedness" of the 10 historians questioned had led to a diverse list....

The "greedy" Thomas Becket, Archbishop of Canterbury, was nominated by Professor John Hudson, of St Andrews University, as the 12th century's worst villain.

"He divided England in a way that even many churchmen who shared some of his views thought unnecessary and self-indulgent," he said.

"He was a founder of gesture politics."

"Those who share my prejudice against Becket may consider his assassination in Canterbury Cathedral on 29 December, 1170, a fittingly grisly end."

[The list is the cover story of BBC History Magazine's January 2006 issue.]


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The honourable saint sounds like a predecessor of those "evil Republicans who have divided America."


John Hudson

1 posted on 12/28/2005 7:27:19 PM PST by Pyro7480
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To: Pyro7480
St. Thomas Becket, pray for us!


2 posted on 12/28/2005 7:28:56 PM PST by Pyro7480 (Sancte Joseph, terror daemonum, ora pro nobis!)
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; broadsword; NYer; Salvation; sandyeggo; american colleen; ...

Catholic ping!


3 posted on 12/28/2005 7:29:44 PM PST by Pyro7480 (Sancte Joseph, terror daemonum, ora pro nobis!)
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To: MadIvan; Aussie Dasher

Ping!


4 posted on 12/28/2005 7:30:44 PM PST by Pyro7480 (Sancte Joseph, terror daemonum, ora pro nobis!)
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To: Pyro7480
St. Thomas, evil? Bleech.
Becket is one of my favourite movies of all time.
5 posted on 12/28/2005 8:01:21 PM PST by Lilllabettt
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To: Pyro7480

I would rank any of Burgess, MacLean, Philby, Blunt etc far worse than ol' Oswald but of course they were Soviet stooges so they (still) get a free pass.


6 posted on 12/28/2005 8:02:11 PM PST by 1066AD
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To: Pyro7480

I nominate George Galloway for the 21st Century...


7 posted on 12/28/2005 8:04:18 PM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: Pyro7480; English Nationalist; Canard; Prodigal Son; Winniesboy; pau1f0rd; Brit_Guy; Da_Shrimp; ...

What would you expect? This is Britain where most Britons have the idea of a Christianity shaped by national culture, rather than a concept of universal Christianity or that this university shaping national culture i.e. Briton first, Christian second is their motto.


8 posted on 12/28/2005 8:08:45 PM PST by NZerFromHK (Alberta independentists to Canada (read: Ontario and Quebec): One hundred years is long enough)
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To: Pyro7480

I'd nominate Cromwell.


9 posted on 12/28/2005 8:30:57 PM PST by sassbox (Merry Christmas!)
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To: Pyro7480

Founder of the principle of separation of Church and State (although others such as Augustine deserve mention also); martyr, recognized as a saint by the Britons; rescuer of the faith from political corruption... how evil!


10 posted on 12/28/2005 8:32:56 PM PST by dangus
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To: 1066AD

MacLean Stevenson? I didn't know ANYONE disliked MacLean Stevenson. (I take from your name you're a history buff...)


11 posted on 12/28/2005 8:34:35 PM PST by dangus
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To: Pyro7480

You have to love a University Professor / author who mispells the name of his university on his web page.


12 posted on 12/28/2005 8:36:38 PM PST by dangus
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To: dangus

Mine is a typo. (Hangs head in shame.)


13 posted on 12/28/2005 8:37:25 PM PST by dangus
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To: Pyro7480

The BBC? Will no one rid me of this meddlesome network?


14 posted on 12/28/2005 8:42:45 PM PST by XEHRpa
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To: dangus

Huh?


15 posted on 12/28/2005 8:45:51 PM PST by Pyro7480 (Sancte Joseph, terror daemonum, ora pro nobis!)
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To: Pyro7480
St. Thomas Becket (feast Dec. 29): soldier, diplomat, lawyer, financier, priest, counselor of kings, leader of countries, and martyr, according to Crocker's 'Triumph' (p. 161):

"As archbishop Becket insisted on the Church's independence in its right to make its own clerical appointments."

If Professor Hudson thinks that Becket is evil and that religious groups should not have freedom and independence, then Professor Hudson is supporting a socialism that does not work - as historians should know by now.

St. Thomas Becket, ora pro nobis peccatoribus. (cc: Hudson)
16 posted on 12/28/2005 9:00:43 PM PST by Falconspeed (Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others. Robert Louis Stevenson)
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To: Pyro7480
St Thomas of Canterbury(1118-1170) [St Thomas a Becket]

The Murder of Thomas Becket, 1170

BBC: St. Thomas Becket "Worst Briton of 12th Century"

 

 


17 posted on 12/28/2005 9:14:22 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: dangus
No, Donald MacLean, one of the celebrated(?) soviet recruits of the Cambridge Spies
18 posted on 12/28/2005 9:50:56 PM PST by 1066AD
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To: 1066AD
Another link.

Another associate was Tom Driberg who became a post-WW2 Labour Party Member of Parliament but his involvement was in the homosexual arena rather than spying.

19 posted on 12/28/2005 10:05:38 PM PST by 1066AD
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To: Pyro7480

Here's the full list:

1900 to 2000: Oswald Mosley
(1896-1980)
1800 to 1900: Jack the Ripper
1700 to 1800: Duke of Cumberland (1721-1765)
1600 to 1700: Titus Oates
(1649-1705)
1500 to 1600: Sir Richard Rich (Lord Rich of Leighs)
(1496/7-1567)
1400 to 1500: Thomas Arundel (1353-1414)
1300 to 1400: Hugh Despenser (The Younger)
(died 1326)
1200 to 1300: King John
(1167-1216)
1100 to 1200: Thomas Becket
Archbishop of Canterbury
(c.1120-1170)
1000 to 1100: Eadric Streona
(died 1017)

Short bios here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4561624.stm


20 posted on 12/28/2005 10:27:57 PM PST by PAR35
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