End Times Prophetic Scriptures Of Isaiah [Caucus of Charismatics, Pentecostals & Dispys]

Please share any Scriptural, Holy Spirit led insights that you believe to be fitting to this thread.

Thanks for the ping! I’ll be meditating on this.

I perceive three separate events in the prophesy. The first, the wrath of God:

And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? – Revelation 6:12-17

Second, the millennial reign of Jesus Christ on earth:

And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

And he hath on [his] vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. – Revelation 19:11-16

Third, the new heaven and new earth:

And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb [is] the light thereof.

And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.

And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither [whatsoever] worketh abomination, or [maketh] a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life. – Revelation 21:22-27

Maranatha, Jesus!!!

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! Thanks so much for the Scriptures and commentary.

I perceive three separate events in the prophesy. The first, the wrath of God:

And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

Have often pondered such verses. It seems to me that the sun becoming dark is easily volcanoes and/or meteors and/or nukes. Certainly other possibilities are in God’s quiver but I think those are the most plausible.

The moon becoming as blood could certainly be because of a certain mixture and/or variety of dust in the air. The red full moon recently was certainly a sobering spectacle on that score. It was redder than I’ve ever seen it before, in my 60 years. But I think we haven’t seen how red it can appear, yet.

The stars falling as untimely figs is very descriptive, to me. It seems highly likely that refers to meteors falling—but in great abundance with LOTS of thuds and thumps. I’m reminded of big hail stones on a trailer roof . . . . Or fruit being blown off onto a tin roofed shop building in a strong wind. Living things are likely to be devastated from the thumps.

The Heavens rolled up or departed as a scroll when it is rolled together has long been mystifying. I have long felt that THAT action will be a great surprise to every living human on earth—probably most of all—to the scientists. Some have speculated rather confidently that it must refer to the actions of the atmosphere in an atmospheric nuclear bomb detonation. Plausible to a point, I suppose. But I think it’s much more dramatic. I think the description will turn out to have been literally amazingly accurate.

In a sense it seems preposterous to think so given the distances astronomers commonly work with. But do we really know as much as we think we know? If the earth is as God’s footstool . . . . whether purely metaphorically or both that and ‘literally’ in some mysterious sense . . . what if the whole kit and kabootle is a big encased snowflake globe on God’s mantle . . . what if we really finally see behind the BIG curtain? What do I know. But I still think that the Heavens rolled back like a scroll will turn out to be much more dramatic than a mere few nukes or some such.

And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? – Revelation 6:12-17

I’m seeing, speculating on something this reading I haven’t before . . . How is it that EVERY person hid themselves in the dens and the rocks . . . HIDE US FROM HIM WHO SITS ON THE THRONE . . . AND FROM THE WRATH OF THE LAMB? Not now is it that they hide . . . but how is it that all peoples everywhere KNOW who it is that is God and The Lamb? Supernatural revelation to their spirits and minds? Quite Plausible. Or, as might fit the verse—DO THEY LITERALLY SEE THE FATHER ON THE THRONE AND THE LAMB slain from the foundation of the world on His throne beside The Father? Is that PART of what the Heavens rolled back like a scroll might mean—seeing behind THAT curtain?

Certainly this passage makes abundantly clear that the events described are GOD’S WRATH. This is not some tin-horn dictator like Pol Pot shredding his serfs or his enemy’s serfs right and left. This is several orders of magnitude DIFFERENT!

Second, the millennial reign of Jesus Christ on earth:

And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

And he hath on [his] vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. – Revelation 19:11-16

I want to check out the MSG version on that passage . . .

MSG 11-16Then I saw Heaven open wide—and oh! a white horse and its Rider. The Rider, named Faithful and True, judges and makes war in pure righteousness. His eyes are a blaze of fire, on his head many crowns. He has a Name inscribed that's known only to himself. He is dressed in a robe soaked with blood, and he is addressed as "Word of God." The armies of Heaven, mounted on white horses and dressed in dazzling white linen, follow him. A sharp sword comes out of his mouth so he can subdue the nations, then rule them with a rod of iron. He treads the winepress of the raging wrath of God, the Sovereign-Strong. On his robe and thigh is written, King of kings, Lord of lords.

I don’t see any great revelatory differences in that translation . . . some subtle embellishments. The many crowns . . . plausible as stated but it seems likely that a host of angels would have to keep that many crowns stacked as The Lord navigated. Seems more plausible that they represent layers, regions, worlds, galaxies of authority over all reality. I agree that a long sharp sword literally coming out of his mouth would seem rather ungainly to walk about with. Seems much more plausible that every word he speaks will have the power and reality splitting impact of a fierce sword.

The bit with the horses has long fascinated me. A massive army of horses coming out of . . . space? Certainly God COULD/CAN DO ANYTHING HE WANTS TO—HIS SAND BOX. And, I realize that most folks have seen that as symbolic. But the bigger part of me expects it to be literally just like described. I happen to think God likes horses. And, like an artist who likes blue . . . and uses it a lot. I think God wants to use horses, BIG horses in that scene. We shall see. Heaven only knows emphatically.

Third, the new heaven and new earth:

And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb [is] the light thereof.

Ahhhhh . . . this seems to be the era where the earth is moved out of it’s place . . . perhaps? Evidently? The sun and moon are not only needed . . . are not even around? What a glorious era, for sure!

And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

The nations of them which are saved is an interesting phrase. Aren’t all ungodly nations obliterated at this point? In any case, the humble are now exalted in God’s eternal New Jerusalem, if I read it accurately.

And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.

And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither [whatsoever] worketh abomination, or [maketh] a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life. – Revelation 21:22-27

Sounds like pretty exclusive real estate, to me! What a day that will be! Ruling and reigning with our Lord!

Maranatha, Jesus!!!

INDEED!

Thank you so much for your encouragements and for sharing your insights!

I have no speculation as to how these prophesies will be manifest to us from our perspective as mere mortals. I do however aver that it is important to be aware of current events (signs of the times) - comparing them with Scripture.

And in the morning, [It will be] foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O [ye] hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not [discern] the signs of the times? - Matt 16:3

Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. - Matt 24:42

For instance, science concludes there are 10⁸⁰ particles in the known universe. And yet science also says that those 10⁸⁰ particles could be multiply imaged from as little as a single particle in a fifth, time-line, dimension.

Science can deduce this much - but God knows "all that there is" all at once.

The very hairs on our head are numbered. We don't know them, but God does:

But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. - Matt 10:30

From our perspective "in" space/time, the extent of the physical creation is so vast that we can barely comprehend it at all.

The Creator is not bound by the Creation.

So if He chooses to literally roll up the cosmos like a scroll, He will. Ditto for Christ's coming on a horse.

Or, they could be metaphors. We'll see.

Maranatha, Jesus!!!

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THOROUGHLY agree

yet again!

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you DO that! LOL.

THX BIG.

LOLOL! Thank you for your encouragements, dear brother in Christ!

MSG:
Zion’s the source of the revelation.
God’s Message comes from Jerusalem.

QX: It seems clear from this section that God is going to set it up such that His priority, main communications originate out from the restored, ?New? ?Heavenly? . . . Jerusalem—at least in terms of from the perspective of the rest of the earth at that future time.

MSG:
He’ll settle things fairly between nations.
He’ll make things right between many peoples.

QX: Ahhhh . . . no more Machiavellian geopolitics. No more ‘fleshly might makes right.’ No more weak serfs and victims of the strong.

MSG:
They’ll turn their swords into shovels,
their spears into hoes.

QX: Clearly another marker indicating emphatically a future time. Given the closeness of the world government, the clock is ticking. History as we have known it is fading away. The thousand years of peace under Christ’s rule advances steadily. We can look up confidently as our REDEMPTION DRAWS NIGH.

MSG:
No more will nation fight nation;
they won’t play war anymore.

QX: Praise God INDEED! The Long awaited time advances closer on the bright horizon after the darkness worse than ever before & worse than ever shall be.

MSG:
Come, family of Jacob,
let’s live in the light of God.

QX: The family . . . of . . . Chang? Iversen? Nishtone? . . . OF JACOB! Clearly, God is still focused, in part, in very significant part . . . on the children of Jacob. His plans for them include a fitting place in the NEW JERUSALEM RULING THE WHOLE EARTH.

Thankfully, CHRISTIANS HAVE BEEN GRAFTED IN to that chosen Branch. And our King of Kings and Lord of Lords IS THE Branch SUPREME.

PTL.

MARANATHA!

The Christians have not been grafted in, the Gentiles have. You see there are distinctions

True, Christian gentiles have been grafted in.

Though this is not a thread for contentious postings.

Clarity is not contentious
Gentiles who have come to know and accept Yah'shua
are the ones spoken of as grafted in

Thank you

Gentiles who have come to know and accept Yah'shua are the ones spoken of as grafted in

What of the Jews who have not accepted Yah'shua?

Appreciate the thread. Will try to read / reply soon.

Bookmark for later reading.

What of the Jews who have not accepted Yah'shua?

After the fullness of the Gentiles has come in, the blindness that has been upon the Jews may be lifted

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this [is] my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. As concerning the gospel, [they are] enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, [they are] beloved for the fathers' sakes. – Romans 11:25-28

If not then, then certainly when Christ appears in power, the Jews who have not accepted Yah’shua will realize what has happened, what should have been theirs.

Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. - Revelation 1:7

For it is written, [As] I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. - Romans 14:11

My musing is that at one point or the other, they would become jealous thus fulfilling the prophesy of the Song of Moses:

They have moved me to jealousy with [that which is] not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with [those which are] not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation. - Deuteronomy 32:21

But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by [them that are] no people, [and] by a foolish nation I will anger you. - Romans 10:19

I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but [rather] through their fall salvation [is come] unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. - Romans 11:11

My musings is also that somewhere between Israel becoming jealous, the millennial reign of Christ on earth and the new heaven and earth, this promise to seed of Israel will be kept:

But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, [and] the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts [is] his name: If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, [then] the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD. - Jer 31:33-37

Maranatha, Jesus!!!

If not then, then certainly when Christ appears in power, the Jews who have not accepted Yah’shua will realize what has happened, what should have been theirs.

Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. - Revelation 1:7
For it is written, [As] I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. - Romans 14:11

My musing is that at one point or the other, they would become jealous thus fulfilling the prophesy of the Song of Moses:

They have moved me to jealousy with [that which is] not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with [those which are] not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation. - Deuteronomy 32:21
But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by [them that are] no people, [and] by a foolish nation I will anger you. - Romans 10:19

I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but [rather] through their fall salvation [is come] unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. - Romans 11:11

My musings is also that somewhere between Israel becoming jealous, the millennial reign of Christ on earth and the new heaven and earth, this promise to seed of Israel will be kept:

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INDEED.

thanks much. Praise God.

Thank you for your encouragements, dear brother in Christ!

ISAIAH 2 AMP:

14And [after that] against all the high mountains and all the hills that are lifted up,

15And against every high tower and every fenced wall,

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I often think of our skyscrapers of our era . . . we have seen how a couple can fall . . . I suspect we shall see a lot more fall . . . whether by quakes or terror or whatever.

6-9God, you’ve walked out on your family Jacob
because their world is full of hokey religion,
Philistine witchcraft, and pagan hocus-pocus,
a world rolling in wealth,
Stuffed with things,
no end to its machines and gadgets,
And gods—gods of all sorts and sizes.
These people make their own gods and worship what they make.
A degenerate race, facedown in the gutter.
Don’t bother with them! They’re not worth forgiving!

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and no end to its machines and gadgets . . .

never an era like that more than this one that we clearly know of — least-wise not since Adam.