Posted on 11/13/2011 12:39:39 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o
My praise and thanks to the Protestant, Evangelical and Non-Denom leaders who are questioning contraception and other perversions of the God-given design of sexuality.
Class, discuss.
“If only ‘they’ would let priests (and football coaches) marry!”
Wow! That was fantastic. So glad you posted that. How I wish I knew then what I know now.
Very interesting article. It is well known that the 1930 Lambeth Conference in the Anglican Church was a key turning point, leading step by step to contraception, abortion, and the whole sexual revolution.
It was followed in the U.S. by Griswold v. Connecticut (making it a right of married people to buy contraceptives) and then by Roe v. Wade.
God bless the Duggars and ....
who have not only shunned artificial contraception but opened their lives to accept the children God has sent. We have many Catholic families who fit the same profile but these two families have risen above the permissiveness that has permeated the protestant congregations.
The other competing theory was that men deposited tiny human beings in the women who brought them through to birth.
Popular books in the late 19th century continued to push the male only method of reproduction.
So, just like to propose here that the DISCOVERY of the mammalian method of reproduction right down to sperm and eggs was a seminal discovery of profound importance, and that occurred coincidentally with the development of slightly different Catholic and Protestant points of view on these matters.
Remember, we didn't even know what we needed to know about DNA until the 1960s.
Ping
The Christian Science people are wrong. Medical interventions in "the natural order of things" are praiseworthy when their intent is to restore natural function: to treat disroders, cure diseases, heal injuries, reshape malformed organs and limbs, and so forth. These interventions are inspired by an affirmative idea of what constitutes "natural, normal, and healthy."
Disease, deformity, disorders and dysfunction occur in nature --- but in the above sense, they are not "natural": because they do not represent God's affirmative intent of an optimal flourishing of the human person.
With me so far?
And so for that reason, the use of drugs, surgeries, and so forth to restore or heal natural function is a good thing.
Contgraception, on the other hand, does not have this justification. Whg? Because its intent is not to heal a natural function, but to sabotage it. It does not cure any disease; its purpose is to split sexuality into component parts (affection, commitment, satisfaction, fertility) and then dispose of one of them (fertility). It drives a wedge between the two meanings which are God-intended in the marital act: the sharing of love, and the openness to life.
This is not to say that married couples have the obligation to have as many children as they can. Of course not. There can be serious reasons why a husband and wife may judge that they are not ready for another pregnancy, or that another baby should be delayed. But they should accomplish that goal without perverting sexual intercourse, whether that perversion is done by withdrawal, or anal sex, or contraception, or other practices which (like the sin of Onan) separate sex from its designed fertility.
The point of the article was that all Christians agreed with this Scriptural and moral perspective until 1930, when the Anglicans broke with an almost 2,000 year Chirstian consensus.
< It's just hard to believe that all Christians understood sexuality wrongly for 20 centuries, until the Anglicans got it right.
< And if the Anglicans were right about that, then they are now right about homosexual sex, i.e. it's OK if it seems right for you. Which is the same argment they used in favor of contracepted sex.
It's very hard to condemn a homosexual sex act (which is turned away from its natural function), if you're already committed to a contracepted sex act (which is turned away from its natural function.)
Contracepted acts radically flatten and shrink our perception of the sanctity of man-woman bodily union.
That has certainly been borne out by experience. a contraceptive culture has no concept of "sacredness" in respect to sex--- none at all. And such a culture is ever MORE abortion-minded. Contraception does not help matters. Contraception and abortion, historically, go up in tandem.
A perspective more fully elucidated here
http://www.touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=17-01-020-v>
Did you realize that such populations, with 1/4 the reproduction rate of everyone else, yet the same or even higher death rate, tend not to grow over geologic periods of time?
A tribe could only boost its population through the expedient of passing around the women to see who could get pregnant.
Typically a woman, or a man, facing this dilemma, will have 5 spouses over the course of the normal breeding age.
Charles Darwin was apparently unaware that ran in his family and then he ended up married to a first cousin ~ and half their kids ended up infertile (much to everyone's consternation).
I always take all of the standard arguments (for or against divorce, wife-swapping, contraception, and other sexual matters) and crank them through the logic of this condition.
Onan may well have run afoul of the pro scripts in a population with indeterminate infertility ~ which is why he was killed by a lightning bolt ~ which is a suggestion this is a really, really, really ancient story probably handed down by Ice Age hunter/gatherers who were probably all afflicted with the condition.
(God, of course, is the author of moral prescripts, but with Onan you are looking at a death penalty for behavior he probably didn't invent ~ and it's highly unlikely the Hebrews in Moses' camp were subjected to all that many death penalties for that particular sin ~ hence it's a moral lesson, not a current event).
I find related, and stronger arguments in 2,000 years of Christian agreement (a hermeneutic of continuity with a very strong sensus fidelium), all of it conmfirmed ---strongly ---by the authority of the Church, Natural Law, and the last 50 years of human experience.
Here's something for your reflection:
The latest in natural fertility technology --- to achieve or postpone procreation (Link).
As late as the 18th and 19th centuries high infant and child mortality was common even among middle-class and wealthy families. Queen Anne had 17 children but none of them lived to adulthood. Catherine of Aragon had many children but only her daughter Mary survived, which is why Henry VIII was so determined to divorce Catherine and try to have a son with another wife.
Only two of Thomas Jefferson's six children lived long enough to marry. Only one of Lincoln's four children lived to adulthood. The decline in average family size in the late 19th and early 20th centuries occurs when the odds of an individual child surviving to adulthood become much better.
Mrs. Don-o wrote:
“This is not to say that married couples have the obligation to have as many children as they can. Of course not. There can be serious reasons why a husband and wife may judge that they are not ready for another pregnancy, or that another baby should be delayed. But they should accomplish that goal without perverting sexual intercourse, whether that perversion is done by withdrawal, or anal sex, or contraception, or other practices which (like the sin of Onan) separate sex from its designed fertility.”
Two things about this: First, you are validating H. L. Mencken’s observation that the Roman pope countenances birth control by means of mathematics, but not by means of physics or chemistry. I have, as a Christian, always found his critique valid, even though he made it as an atheist. He has a point. Second, by arguing as you do, you have invalidated the central - and only logically consistent - argument against contraception. Thereafter all is debate about the how and not the what. I find your argument singularly unconvincing. The real problem with having children or failing to do so is unbelief and selfishness on the part of people. Your argument is only about technological advancement or the lack thereof.
I say this as one who is still Lutheran and have five children of my own. My wife’s brother (still a thorough-going Lutheran) has 13 (all of the same woman, his wife). In our circles, they were not frowned upon, but admired.
Sorry, I don’t buy your argument. The causes of today’s horrible sexual mores lie elsewhere.
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The 2,000 years of Christian agreement really hasn't had all that much time to come up with solutions to the problem. In fact, there's a danger that this difficulty ~ which definitely has all the hallmarks of a genetically directed process ~ will be swept under the rug as just another reproductive problem readily addressed by modern science. Obviously modern science doesn't deal with this either.
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Clerical Contraception (Important Read! By Fr. Thomas J. Euteneuer)
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Natural Family Planning Awareness Week, July 25, 2004
IS NATURAL FAMILY PLANNING A 'HERESY'? (Trads, please take note)
Thanks Doc: More (and Younger) Doctors Support Natural Family Planning
Couple say Natural Family Planning strengthens marriage
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British Medical Journal: Natural Family Planning= Effective Birth Control Supported by Catholic Chrch
Natural Family Planning
Actually, you can document it pretty well.
First the pastors starting using it, and it filtered on down to the congregation, around the turn of the century.
You can find letters from the Church fathers condemning contraception.
Quite right.
Of course, the way NFP is used and taught, it is Catholic contraception.
Jesus told us to tend to the problem in our own eye first.
Now, regarding the use of condoms, that appears to have an origin at least 1800 years ago, and maybe more.
The full scientific understanding of procreative processes has barely more than a century's worth of history. Previously it was simply speculation ~ or total mystery. Obviously people were into sex for the marginal entertainment value ~ if they'd known what we know now they'd behaved themselves wouldn't they?!
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