[Rashputin]

Before we begin discussing whether what you claim about Catholics v Protestant views of the Bible, we should settle the question of why Protestants don’t accept the entire Bible but only a subset.

If Luther had sufficient authority that a group of people would accept his throwing out portions of the Old Testament, why haven’t they also thrown out the portions of the New Testament he didn’t think should be there?

Either the Catholic Church has the authority to define the canon of the New Testament in spite of what Luther thought, they have the authority to define the canon of the Old Testament as well.

So, before getting into the little quiz you propose, how about we discuss just why it is that so many people refuse to accept the entire Bible rather than the Luther subset of the Old Testament and the complete Catholic New Testament?

[Salvation]

But even Luther accepted the Catholic Bible!! He just wanted to do his own thing rather than God's thing.

"We are compelled to concede to the Papists
that they have the Word of God,
that we received it from them,
and that without them
we should have no knowledge of it at all."

~ Martin Luther

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[daniel1212]

Before we begin discussing whether what you claim about Catholics v Protestant views of the Bible, we should settle the question of why Protestants don’t accept the entire Bible but only a subset.

If Luther had sufficient authority that a group of people would accept his throwing out portions of the Old Testament, why haven’t they also thrown out the portions of the New Testament he didn’t think should be there?

Either the Catholic Church has the authority to define the canon of the New Testament in spite of what Luther thought, they have the authority to define the canon of the Old Testament as well.

As has been often documented here, and referred to you before, Rome did not provide its infallible, indisputable canon until the year Luther died, and there was substantial dissent about books which Luther rejected down through the centuries and right into Trent - despite an overall acceptance reflecting decrees by early non-infallible councils such as Hippo, Carthage and Florence. See http://peacebyjesus.tripod.com/ancients_on_scripture.html#2 Thus Luther's rejection of books was not novel but he had scholarly company with others who also doubted some of the books.

As for what authority Protestantism has for its canon, the question must first be what is the basis (Scripture, etc.?) for your assurance that Rome is the One True Church® (and which thus can provide an infallible canon, even if it took over 1400+ years after the last book was written to do so)?

And why is it necessary to have an assuredly infallible magisterium in order to establish writings as Scripture?

Thanks.

[Cronos]

Rashputin -- I dispute with you calling these people "Protestants"

actually the "Protestants" are those belonging to the original 3 groups that broke away from the Western Church -- namely Lutherans, Calvinists (Presbyterians, Reformed) and the Anglicans

The other groups broke away from them -- like the 3rd generation of reformatters included the Unitarians (in the 16th century) and the Wesleyans (in the 18th century) and the anabaptists (in the 16th century)

the Baptists broke away from the Anabaptists in the 17th, making them 4th generation reformatters

The fifth generation include the radical reformatters like the Christian Scientists and then the really weird groups like the Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons -- arguably, even though the latter 3 came from this 5th generation mileieu they are arguably not Christian

The 6th generation included the pentecostals

And now the 7th are the Word of Faith pentecostals and the Oneness pentecostals (those who deny the Trinity)

only the Lutherans, Presybterians, Reformed and Anglicans are really the "Protestants". All others are simply their own traditions or splits from those 3 traditions

[Cronos]

Warming up to my theme -- There are new directions being found, new interpretations everyday.

Each new bunch of Reformatters reformats the old.

1. You have the first generation namely Lutheran sticking close to orthodoxy with the Lutherans holding to the True Presence in the Eucharist, to Baptismal regeneration etc.
2. Generation 2: Then you have the Calvin-Zwingli crowd rejecting these two as well as other aspects of orthodoxy
3. Generation 3: Knox and the Anglican compromise
4. Generation 4: The Unitarians like Michael Servetus who went from being Catholic to Lutheran to Reformed to denying the Trinity.
5. Generation 5: the Baptists who now rejected infant baptism (quite unlike their namesakes the Anabaptists (now called Mennonites)) and said that there was a great Apostasy in the first centuries of Christendom (Gen 1-3 took later centuries as the dates of their "Great Apostasy")
6. Generation 6: the Restorationists at the Great Awakening, like
   
   • The Millerites, to become the Seventh DayAdventists -- with Ellen G White saying that Jesus was the same as the Archangel Michael and that Satan woudl take the sins of the world at the end of time and other beauties. They came up with their own version of the Bible
   • The Unitarians and Universalists -- reborn and reinvigorated by this reformatting, they tossed out the Trinity and eventually they end up as they are today where they believe in nothing
   • Jehovah's Witnesses: they tossed out the Trinity too and came up with their own version of the Bible
   • The Mormons: they took the Trinity and made it three gods. They too came up with their own version of the Bible
7. Generation 7: the Orthodo Presbyterian C, the FourSquare Ahoy! Pentecostalists, the Raelians, the Branch Davidians, the Creflo-Dollar crowd, the Jesse Dupantis (I went to visit Jesus in heaven and comforted Him) etc -- one step further beyond generation 6
8. Generation 8: ... any one of the thousands of new sects formed since 1990

[Cronos]

I’m trying to see why someone who thinks Rolf Doofenshmirtz (long lost brother of Heinz Doofenschmirtz) would know more than the Apostles and those the Apostles personally taught and ordained, would believe that both Protestants and Catholics are in error.

Well, the term "Protestants" is too vague -- I prefer not to use it.

there is no relationship between orthodoxy-close Lutherans and Traditional Anglicans and with the Swedenborgians or Mormons or boatbums crew -- they are different groups in their own rights and should not be called "Protestants"