Skip to comments.HABEMUS PAPAM!!! (Live Thread)
Posted on 03/13/2013 11:12:01 AM PDT by NYer
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Good call, Joe. Sure didn’t take Wiki long to update.
I really like the idea of a Pope from Latin America. Plus, given his family’s heritage, the Italians can console themselves that an Italian is back in the Papacy.
I’m no canon lawyer, but I think after Abp Gomez took away his right to function as a bishop (which Gomez could do as the Ordinary of L.A.), there was nobody in a jurisdictional position to do anything further-— that is, without a canonical trial, which would take us somewhere into 2014.
Don’t start with me. This is a joyful day, and I will not allow your hatreds and resentments to contaminate it; nor will I waste time, energy, bandwidth, and knowledge on reasoned debate with someone whose obsession precludes any access to logic. You can have the last word; enjoy.
It means “I don’t know, I am a trout.”
Here is what Yeshua really had to say about unification, WRT the sheep:
 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
The "they" to which Yeshua refered in John 17 were the true sheep, not including the tares that presently constitute the majority of the 'church.'
I assume they have the same tradition which is manifested at political conventions in the US - after the nominee gets over the top in votes, a motion is entertained, seconded, and passed, making the selection unanimous.
Time will tell which days were truly joyful.
Logic and truth do become obsessions, but to our advancement.
>> “Are you a good Jesuit, or a bad Jesuit?” <<
And the good ones always speak the truth, while the ‘bad’ ones always lie...
That good one ROFL
I hear they going release History of the World part 1 on Blue ray for first time in restored version TCM did announced on that ROFL
No, Jesus was not for unprincipled unification. But yes, He prayed from the heart, that we should be one "as He and the Father are one." Which means, not one in moral indifference and chicanery, but one in love and truth.
I have other sheep that do not belong to this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd.
Bless you. And let's pray together, editor-surveyor, for the unity which He desires.
Like most--- not all, but most --- matters which depend on human freedom (the choice of a college major, of a spouse, of a job, and many other things) God gives us a number of "goods" among which we are free to choose. It's not always a contest between good and evil.
Pray for Pope Francis!!
That’s only one opinion.
Watch them be reformed now.
>>When first meeting a Jesuit, one must always ask, Are you a good Jesuit, or a bad Jesuit?<<
That is what is so amazing — they ALL lose the Faith when the joined the Order (massive RCC Irony)...
Oh, but Pope Benedict worked quietly behind the scenes to remove two to three bad bishops a month.
Check for stories by Jeff Lawlwer on Catholic Culture and another story on EWTN. (Don’t remember that author.)
If you want the links I can send them to you.
PS. Many people (including priests did not know this was going on.)
ALL is a word like NEVER.
As soon as you say it, it is false.
Never say never.
Never say all!
Your source please?
"Father John A. Hardon, S.J. was one of the three greatest teachers of the Catholic faith during the twentieth century. The other two were Pope John Paul II and Bishop Fulton J. Sheen."
Isn’t Father Mitch Pacwa a Jesuit? I think he is a very good man and a holy priest.
>>Your source please?<<
Obviously I was exaggerating to make a point.
I have never understood why that is so, but based on my discussions with Jesuits (where did you think I learned so much about the RCC and things like Erasmus?), something gets lost along the way.
Strange, but true (and you know it as well).
I think that generalization (I won’t call it a stereotype) is what shocked so many observers.
By now you know me, Sal. I make poke fun at His Church but I am thrilled at the new Pope Francis.
The fact he is a Jesuit makes it so much better. Some serious thought muscle behind his clear convictions.
>>ALL is a word like NEVER.
As soon as you say it, it is false.
Never say never.
Never say all!<<
I stand COMPLETELY corrected! I will NEVER say ALL again! EVER!
>>Come On Home!!<<
I think that is Latin for “Coupon Code for Aluminum Siding.”
(thanks for the thought. Bless you and bless Francis I)
>>In what sense? That’s like saying because I’ve been to San Francisco, I’m gay<<
Did you REALLY open that?
I can’t do it...
I am sure Laz can! :)
i think his assignment also involves some side trips to the bath houses of Pompey.
I watched EWTN and it was not as good as CNN which was streaming Vatican TV
Thats why I don’t miss Fox. He is on in the evening when I get home. Dish bill was too high for what we watched. DIY and History channel is just good for me.
God bless him...and keep him.
Seattle area liberals:
The first impressions of Seattle-area clergy, laity and church critics to election of Pope Francis I blended hope for a man who will walk humbly before the Lord and be a force in the world for social justice, along with despair at his orthodoxy on such topics as a celibate male priesthood, same-sex marriage and contraception.
Many of these are supporters of Vatican II, imho. It has been my limited experience that those who have fallen away from the traditional beliefs of the Church are overwhelmingly supporters of Vatican II. They see it as the best thing that has ever happened to Catholicism.
Let them. Who is pope makes zero difference in my life
If it is Zero then why are you on this thread.
because i feel like it tootsie roll
Always with the “groin issues.” Booooo-ring!
“...Jesuit, he is definitely a leftist...”
It is never logical to stereotype and generalize. Many Jesuits are leftists, however I am blessed to know a wonderful 80+ year old Jesuit who is deeply conservative and not the least bit liberal!! I was very pleased to get to know him however, because many of the more prominent Jesuits in charge of places such as Georgetown, etc., are liberal and need our prayers to get back on track.
There are conservative Jesuits and the fact that one just became Pope is a HUGE BLESSING and message for the entire church.
I realize that you are right; its just that all the jesuits that I have known were radical leftists.
quite correct. numerous graduate degrees, in both psychology and political science. a brilliant, fearless scholar, pastor, preacher....much to like about him - for all Christians!
Especially Jesuits in South and Central America. It's where Liberation Theology came from in the first place. You are right to be concerned. I get the impression that some people don't want an open and honest discussion of the new Pope's views.
Perhaps my conclusions are wrong, but from my reading it appears Pope Francis steered clear of Liberation Theology, but has a record of opposing social welfare cuts in order to get Argentina's endless debt problems under control. It sounds to me like the new Pope is a strong social conservative, but economically somewhere on the populist left (though not a Marxist ). I also found it disappointing to discover Pope Francis has said the British "usurped" the Falklands and that they are Argentinian soil. Perhaps all Argentinians feel that way, but he is flat out wrong and it doesn't strike me as a wise thing for an Archbishop say.
Though not a Catholic, this Pope also seems to have some very good qualities and I will say a prayer for him and hope for the best.