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HABEMUS PAPAM!!! (Live Thread)
EWTN News ^ | March 13, 2013

Posted on 03/13/2013 11:12:01 AM PDT by NYer

Having trouble typing .. my hands are shaking. It will take about 45 minutes before we see him. This is so exciting!


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Ministry/Outreach
KEYWORDS: badbishops; catholic; conclave; livenewpopethread; livepopethread; pope; popebenedict; popefrancis; rome; vatican
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To: JoeProBono

Good call, Joe. Sure didn’t take Wiki long to update.

I really like the idea of a Pope from Latin America. Plus, given his family’s heritage, the Italians can console themselves that an Italian is back in the Papacy.


351 posted on 03/13/2013 1:28:39 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: diamond6

I’m no canon lawyer, but I think after Abp Gomez took away his right to function as a bishop (which Gomez could do as the Ordinary of L.A.), there was nobody in a jurisdictional position to do anything further-— that is, without a canonical trial, which would take us somewhere into 2014.


352 posted on 03/13/2013 1:32:22 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("May the Lord bless you and keep you; may He turn to you His countenance and give you peace.")
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To: editor-surveyor

Don’t start with me. This is a joyful day, and I will not allow your hatreds and resentments to contaminate it; nor will I waste time, energy, bandwidth, and knowledge on reasoned debate with someone whose obsession precludes any access to logic. You can have the last word; enjoy.


353 posted on 03/13/2013 1:32:32 PM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: freedumb2003

HA!


354 posted on 03/13/2013 1:34:15 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("May the Lord bless you and keep you; may He turn to you His countenance and give you peace.")
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To: laweeks

It means “I don’t know, I am a trout.”


355 posted on 03/13/2013 1:38:53 PM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Good day Mrs Don-O!

Here is what Yeshua really had to say about unification, WRT the sheep:

Matthew 10:

[32] Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

[33] But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

[34] Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

[35] For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

[36] And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

The "they" to which Yeshua refered in John 17 were the true sheep, not including the tares that presently constitute the majority of the 'church.'

356 posted on 03/13/2013 1:43:06 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: MeOnTheBeach
I’m curious, what does it mean for the cardinals that didn’t vote for the winner? I mean, if you believe the Holy Spirit picks the Pope and you’re a cardinal that didn’t vote for the winner, what doesn’t that say about your spirituality?
I assume they have the same tradition which is manifested at political conventions in the US - after the nominee gets over the top in votes, a motion is entertained, seconded, and passed, making the selection unanimous.

357 posted on 03/13/2013 1:45:23 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: ottbmare

Time will tell which days were truly joyful.

Logic and truth do become obsessions, but to our advancement.


358 posted on 03/13/2013 1:45:47 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Jeff Chandler; Dr. Sivana

>> “Are you a good Jesuit, or a bad Jesuit?” <<

.
And the good ones always speak the truth, while the ‘bad’ ones always lie...


359 posted on 03/13/2013 1:48:13 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: freedumb2003

NOOOOO LOL!

That good one ROFL


360 posted on 03/13/2013 1:52:31 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: freedumb2003

I hear they going release History of the World part 1 on Blue ray for first time in restored version TCM did announced on that ROFL


361 posted on 03/13/2013 1:53:09 PM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: editor-surveyor
Actually, both of these pasages are what Jesus "really" said. If your NT includes both John and Matthew.

No, Jesus was not for unprincipled unification. But yes, He prayed from the heart, that we should be one "as He and the Father are one." Which means, not one in moral indifference and chicanery, but one in love and truth.

John 10:16
I have other sheep that do not belong to this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd.

Bless you. And let's pray together, editor-surveyor, for the unity which He desires.

362 posted on 03/13/2013 2:01:23 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("May the Lord bless you and keep you; may He turn to you His countenance and give you peace.")
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To: MeOnTheBeach; conservatism_IS_compassion
I would hope that all the also-rans were also worthy men, any one of hom could have made a good pope.

Like most--- not all, but most --- matters which depend on human freedom (the choice of a college major, of a spouse, of a job, and many other things) God gives us a number of "goods" among which we are free to choose. It's not always a contest between good and evil.

363 posted on 03/13/2013 2:06:50 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("May the Lord bless you and keep you; may He turn to you His countenance and give you peace.")
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To: NYer; Chode

Pray for Pope Francis!!


364 posted on 03/13/2013 2:13:12 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Amen!


365 posted on 03/13/2013 2:14:31 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: NYer; everyone

366 posted on 03/13/2013 2:17:01 PM PDT by potlatch (~be content with small victories and simple pleasures~)
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To: All
Goa celebrates 500th birth anniversary of Saint Francis Xavier
More than 350 Catholics from Pakistan to India to venerate Saint Francis Xavier
St. Francis Xavier Against Archbishop Fitzgerald
St. Francis Xavier
Saint Francis Xavier - "Apostle Of The East"
367 posted on 03/13/2013 2:18:25 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: fishtank

That’s only one opinion.

Watch them be reformed now.


368 posted on 03/13/2013 2:20:53 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Jeff Chandler

>>When first meeting a Jesuit, one must always ask, Are you a good Jesuit, or a bad Jesuit?<<

That is what is so amazing — they ALL lose the Faith when the joined the Order (massive RCC Irony)...


369 posted on 03/13/2013 2:25:33 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Establishment Republicans don't like that totalitarian thing unless it is THEIR totalitarian thing!)
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To: NYer; diamond6

Oh, but Pope Benedict worked quietly behind the scenes to remove two to three bad bishops a month.

Check for stories by Jeff Lawlwer on Catholic Culture and another story on EWTN. (Don’t remember that author.)

If you want the links I can send them to you.

PS. Many people (including priests did not know this was going on.)


370 posted on 03/13/2013 2:30:35 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: freedumb2003

ALL is a word like NEVER.

As soon as you say it, it is false.

Never say never.

Never say all!


371 posted on 03/13/2013 2:33:23 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: freedumb2003
And you know that all> Jesuits lose the faith?

Your source please?

372 posted on 03/13/2013 2:34:24 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: fishtank
Father John A. Hardon, S.J.

"Father John A. Hardon, S.J. was one of the three greatest teachers of the Catholic faith during the twentieth century. The other two were Pope John Paul II and Bishop Fulton J. Sheen."

http://www.therealpresence.org/archives/Fr_Hardon.htm

373 posted on 03/13/2013 2:35:07 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: Salvation

Isn’t Father Mitch Pacwa a Jesuit? I think he is a very good man and a holy priest.


374 posted on 03/13/2013 2:39:50 PM PDT by diamond6 (Need scientific proof of God? Check out: http://www.magisreasonfaith.org/)
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To: Salvation

>>Your source please?<<

Obviously I was exaggerating to make a point.

I have never understood why that is so, but based on my discussions with Jesuits (where did you think I learned so much about the RCC and things like Erasmus?), something gets lost along the way.

Strange, but true (and you know it as well).

I think that generalization (I won’t call it a stereotype) is what shocked so many observers.

By now you know me, Sal. I make poke fun at His Church but I am thrilled at the new Pope Francis.

The fact he is a Jesuit makes it so much better. Some serious thought muscle behind his clear convictions.

Bless him!


375 posted on 03/13/2013 2:40:27 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Establishment Republicans don't like that totalitarian thing unless it is THEIR totalitarian thing!)
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To: Salvation

>>ALL is a word like NEVER.

As soon as you say it, it is false.

Never say never.

Never say all!<<

I stand COMPLETELY corrected! I will NEVER say ALL again! EVER!


376 posted on 03/13/2013 2:44:32 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Establishment Republicans don't like that totalitarian thing unless it is THEIR totalitarian thing!)
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To: Morgana
Amen
377 posted on 03/13/2013 2:47:37 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

>>Come On Home!!<<

I think that is Latin for “Coupon Code for Aluminum Siding.”

(thanks for the thought. Bless you and bless Francis I)


378 posted on 03/13/2013 2:51:39 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Establishment Republicans don't like that totalitarian thing unless it is THEIR totalitarian thing!)
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To: steve86; Lazamataz

>>In what sense? That’s like saying because I’ve been to San Francisco, I’m gay<<

Did you REALLY open that?

I can’t do it...

I am sure Laz can! :)


379 posted on 03/13/2013 2:55:30 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Establishment Republicans don't like that totalitarian thing unless it is THEIR totalitarian thing!)
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To: GregB

i think his assignment also involves some side trips to the bath houses of Pompey.


380 posted on 03/13/2013 2:56:25 PM PDT by llevrok (Keep your arms out. It makes it harder for them to throw a net over you.)
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To: BlatherNaut

THE Greatest!

381 posted on 03/13/2013 3:00:18 PM PDT by jaz.357 (Contrary To Ordinary)
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To: Revolting cat!

I watched EWTN and it was not as good as CNN which was streaming Vatican TV


382 posted on 03/13/2013 3:22:34 PM PDT by Mercat
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To: llevrok

Thats why I don’t miss Fox. He is on in the evening when I get home. Dish bill was too high for what we watched. DIY and History channel is just good for me.


383 posted on 03/13/2013 3:44:28 PM PDT by GregB (Where are the Benghazi survivors?)
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To: CatherineofAragon

God bless him...and keep him.


384 posted on 03/13/2013 5:52:06 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Restore us, O God of hosts; let your face shine, that we may be saved! -Ps80)
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To: Tax-chick
It will be interesting to hear what our more liberal parishioners say.

Seattle area liberals:

The first impressions of Seattle-area clergy, laity and church critics to election of Pope Francis I blended hope for a man who will walk humbly before the Lord and be a force in the world for social justice, along with despair at his orthodoxy on such topics as a celibate male priesthood, same-sex marriage and contraception.

LOL!!!

385 posted on 03/13/2013 5:58:09 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: steve86

Many of these are supporters of Vatican II, imho. It has been my limited experience that those who have fallen away from the traditional beliefs of the Church are overwhelmingly supporters of Vatican II. They see it as the best thing that has ever happened to Catholicism.


386 posted on 03/13/2013 6:08:07 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Fawn
the new Pope is the same as the old Pope.

my point

387 posted on 03/13/2013 6:39:13 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: kidd
The former citizens of Communist Poland might have a different opinion than yours.

Let them. Who is pope makes zero difference in my life

388 posted on 03/13/2013 6:42:48 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga

If it is Zero then why are you on this thread.


389 posted on 03/13/2013 6:47:03 PM PDT by nomorelurker
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To: nomorelurker
If it is Zero then why are you on this thread.

because i feel like it tootsie roll

390 posted on 03/13/2013 8:20:51 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: steve86

Always with the “groin issues.” Booooo-ring!


391 posted on 03/14/2013 5:48:07 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Another Catholic Pope! It must be some kind of conspiracy!" ~Homer_J_Simpson)
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To: steve86; editor-surveyor

“...Jesuit, he is definitely a leftist...”

It is never logical to stereotype and generalize. Many Jesuits are leftists, however I am blessed to know a wonderful 80+ year old Jesuit who is deeply conservative and not the least bit liberal!! I was very pleased to get to know him however, because many of the more prominent Jesuits in charge of places such as Georgetown, etc., are liberal and need our prayers to get back on track.

There are conservative Jesuits and the fact that one just became Pope is a HUGE BLESSING and message for the entire church.


392 posted on 03/14/2013 8:26:42 AM PDT by stonehouse01 (Equal rights for unborn women)
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To: stonehouse01

I realize that you are right; its just that all the jesuits that I have known were radical leftists.


393 posted on 03/14/2013 1:50:51 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: trisham

quite correct. numerous graduate degrees, in both psychology and political science. a brilliant, fearless scholar, pastor, preacher....much to like about him - for all Christians!


394 posted on 03/14/2013 2:37:17 PM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: editor-surveyor
its just that all the jesuits that I have known were radical leftists

Especially Jesuits in South and Central America. It's where Liberation Theology came from in the first place. You are right to be concerned. I get the impression that some people don't want an open and honest discussion of the new Pope's views.

Perhaps my conclusions are wrong, but from my reading it appears Pope Francis steered clear of Liberation Theology, but has a record of opposing social welfare cuts in order to get Argentina's endless debt problems under control. It sounds to me like the new Pope is a strong social conservative, but economically somewhere on the populist left (though not a Marxist ). I also found it disappointing to discover Pope Francis has said the British "usurped" the Falklands and that they are Argentinian soil. Perhaps all Argentinians feel that way, but he is flat out wrong and it doesn't strike me as a wise thing for an Archbishop say.

Though not a Catholic, this Pope also seems to have some very good qualities and I will say a prayer for him and hope for the best.

395 posted on 03/15/2013 4:10:38 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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